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After replaying Mario World, I realized it's not all that. 3, YI and NSMBU are better
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InfiniteCombo
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This is a garbage-tier post. First of all, do you even know what "hot take" means? Regardless, please use it correctly.
Why don't you bother to actually put in some well thought out counter arguments? You know, even if you put in 1/10th of the work the OP put into their post, you would be fairing much better.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Have to disagree with the bolded above. I can't fathom how anybody could feel this way.
I don't see this at all. SMW has a very consistent and distinct art style.
SMW is also a lot buggier than SMB3. Even just now, playing with the SNES Mini, I clipped through a wall with an accident and one time when flying Mario got really jittery and was teleporting between two places when I hit the ground. I'm also of the mind that SMB3 is better than SMW. Then again, I started gaming with NES so YMMW.
This is actually interesting. I played SMW back in the day and never YI. I replayed SMW on my SNES Classic and immediately loved it again. I am working my way through YI and I don't like it as much. The levels are longer and drag in places and there is less of a focus on pure platforming. I don't really enjoy the egg throwing mechanic.
Obviously YI is gorgeous but I never thought of SMW as ugly. The wonkiness of some of the designs I always thought were cute.
It seems like some of your points apply to certain games and not to others in the series. I wouldn't say that YI levels so far are themed by group (though some do have unique gimmicks, like the infamous TOUCH FUZZY GET DIZZY). I guess I'm in world 3.
Obviously YI is gorgeous but I never thought of SMW as ugly. The wonkiness of some of the designs I always thought were cute.
It seems like some of your points apply to certain games and not to others in the series. I wouldn't say that YI levels so far are themed by group (though some do have unique gimmicks, like the infamous TOUCH FUZZY GET DIZZY). I guess I'm in world 3.
for me it's the sound design and how it negatively impacts the game feel
great level design means nothing to me if the way the character controls isn't satisfying
Jeff Gerstmann thinks Yoshi's Island and DKC games are bad.
Gentleman Jack
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Wallclips exist in every single 2D mario game up to and including Super Mario Maker.
Horsemama1956
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Why the obsession with trying to justify which is better when outside of your own mind it doesn't matter? For you to say one is better makes no sense since it's personal preference. Such a big wall of text just to say I prefer game X. It's definitely something I really only see on forums any more(since I'm not 10 anymore).
No offense but I just don't get it.
No offense but I just don't get it.
I can sort of apply the rule backwards, too. A good reason to explain why I like 3 more than World is 3 was well past the "what is the NES even?" that Mario 1 had to deal with. 3 has the benefit of being on a well understood system, so they spent more time on level design than figuring out how the game was gonna even work.
Strangelove77
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SMB3 is the greatest platformer ever made, so yeah it's better than World.
Are you thinking of smb3? Because world is very dedictated to its island aesthetic; thats one of the most defining traits of the game.
Lupin the Third
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InfiniteCombo
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Can we be best friends?
Also, as the OP mentions, one of the things that ruins SMW is the challenge (or rather, the almost complete lack thereof). In some playthroughs, I have to force myself to avoid two mechanics that almost completely break the game: Yoshi, and the feather cape. I mean, the feather cape is so ridiculous, it's almost like having a SMB3-style P-Wing readily at your disposal. The spin move with the cape is also too powerful. I know that those sounds like potentially strange complaints, but going around with the cape, I feel invisible and fearless. I should have *some* sense of challenge/fear of failure/etc.
Same applies to Yoshi, especially the blue one.
3 started out as an isometric view game. They failed at that and went back to side scrolling. I would bet 3 and World spent the same amount of time in the oven.
Absolutely agree. I love them all but I prefer 2 over 3 and SMW.
Where is the OP exactly "trying" to justify something? He is just voicing his opinion in-depth. And yes, forums are literally there to discuss and voice opinions.
What you are looking for is a news site if you don't understand the appeal of forums.
Tizoc
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Interesting, I ought to test that out as I hadn't played the NES nor GBA ver. in some time.
Combichristoffersen
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Haven't played NSMBU and don't like YI, but SMB3 is way better than SMW. At the time, SMW felt like a middling rehash of the superior SMB3, and it was uglier and slower than Sonic 1 to boot.
It's become his schtick for years. He revels in giving those games shit and without any real objective criticism.
Humorous somewhat if you can accept it is mostly irrational ramblings from a voice that garners a lot of attention, but his is not an opinion worth bringing to a real debate on the subject. [I mean deep down he has to know its just a dumb hot take and there are certainly merits to those titles, but he and his audience -love- the drama. You can almost sense that fans expect him to start a petty crusade at the mere mention of Yoshi or DK in any subject, there is humor to that but its purely vain]
Narpas Sword0
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The level you play to pass from the ground to the clouds even represents what you are doing.
You can use hammers to break through areas, air ships fly over head, you can take a boat around, bridges go up and down, pipe mazes. SMB3 is no slouch here so it's a weird point of criticism for it.
TIL that not an insignificant amount of posters here think SMW looks ugly and lacks identity, and that NSMBU is garbage.
I would agree that SMW doesn't have that much variety in terms of environment, but in return it does really hone in on this island theme (you know, which is a big part of its identity) and I love how cohesively it fits every level's design both in gameplay and visuals to its position in the overworld. Comments about it feeling "cobbled together" baffle me, because it's the exact opposite; it's incredibly well thought out.
Also, I've never ever before seen complaints about the visuals being bad. They look colorful and bright and Mario's design is really on point and highly improved from the NES games. It's always been the de-facto 2D Mario artstyle in my head.
I would agree that SMW doesn't have that much variety in terms of environment, but in return it does really hone in on this island theme (you know, which is a big part of its identity) and I love how cohesively it fits every level's design both in gameplay and visuals to its position in the overworld. Comments about it feeling "cobbled together" baffle me, because it's the exact opposite; it's incredibly well thought out.
Also, I've never ever before seen complaints about the visuals being bad. They look colorful and bright and Mario's design is really on point and highly improved from the NES games. It's always been the de-facto 2D Mario artstyle in my head.
xochipiltontli
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A lot of people love to shit on Nintendos Mario efforts of the Wii U era due to them being very bland and uninspired, artistically and thematically, compared to older games, but I really think that this was a time where Nintendo focused on making sure the gameplay worked above all else. I would consider 3D World to be my favorite obstacle course Mario, edging out my favorite 2D game (SMB3) despite being relatively soulless in comparison. It just plays so well and every level is so tightly designed, and the same can be said for NSMBU. Had Nintendo released something akin to Odyssey as the Wii U Mario launch title and released NSMBU with a different art style or 3D World as a successor to the 2D series later on I think either game would have been received much better than they were.
As for World, I agree. It was my first console 2D Mario (my first 2D Mario was Super Mario Land 2) but after playing the others, it has a very bland launch title feel to it. It doesnt really feel as well thought out as SMB3 and it definitely doesnt offer as much variety. I have good memories with the game, but I would rather spend my time replaying the others.
As for World, I agree. It was my first console 2D Mario (my first 2D Mario was Super Mario Land 2) but after playing the others, it has a very bland launch title feel to it. It doesnt really feel as well thought out as SMB3 and it definitely doesnt offer as much variety. I have good memories with the game, but I would rather spend my time replaying the others.
The Xtortionist
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SMW is pretty bland to me in both aesthetics and level design. I dont think it holds a candle to DKC2 or Yoshis Island on SNES. Its a competent, inoffensive, breezy experience, but little else imo. Not that hot on 2D Mario in general, though.
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It is... but at the same time I really don't like it. I didn't like the look of even the original NSMB, personally. Very subjective, obviously, but it just feels like it lost the 2D charm in the transition to 3D.
Narpas Sword0
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He has gone into detail, at least on YI, on several occasions.
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Deleted member 1159
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Yeah I've come to realize as an adult SMB3 > World. Also it helped that a girl in college and I made up strip rules for SMB3 based on the card system...so I've got some fond memories there too.
Seriously.
I don't think NSMBU and 3D World are even comparable in quality. 3D World and 3D Land are amazing and took Mario games in a direction they haven't been before. NSMBU feels like a high quality expansion pack to a game where I already didn't care for the music and character design.
Nocturnowl
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Ehhh Star Road isn't too hot outside the cool factor of secret area where you can cruise to the bowser endgame in a mere few stages, it's got some one trick gimmicks out the buttocks (SR3 is just...naaah) and the most bland water stage in the series history which you get to go through twice because the secret exit is basically the same as the actual exit.
Special World is cool though, except tubular obviously.
theepicoftyler
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Super Mario Bros 3 is one of the best games ever made.
Super Mario World is good though.
Super Mario World is good though.
Combichristoffersen
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Yeah, what was up with that dark, Hell-like world? Creeped me out as a kid.
SMW has the better final boss tho.
OrbitalBeard
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I'm glad I'm able to recognize SMB3 is my preferred game between it and World, without feeling the need to shit on the latter to drive my point home. I also feel kind of bad for the type of person who genuinely cannot enjoy something that doesn't try to emulate the previous thing they loved.
3 is absolutely the better game in my eyes, but that really takes little away from World's brilliance. Nintendo could have easily made Super Mario Bros. 3 Pt. 2, but they didn't. They took the series in a different direction. And I have great respect for them for that. World may not be my favorite 2D entry, but it's still chock full of great ideas and I wouldn't change all that much about it.
3 is absolutely the better game in my eyes, but that really takes little away from World's brilliance. Nintendo could have easily made Super Mario Bros. 3 Pt. 2, but they didn't. They took the series in a different direction. And I have great respect for them for that. World may not be my favorite 2D entry, but it's still chock full of great ideas and I wouldn't change all that much about it.
Flying Fish
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I played the GBA version that made some improvements:
- Stage list screen keeps track of dragon coins and cleared goals, and you get cutscenes for getting all of either. This means you miss out on 100% completion if you fly over the stage.
- Luigi is now actually Luigi.
- Stage list screen keeps track of dragon coins and cleared goals, and you get cutscenes for getting all of either. This means you miss out on 100% completion if you fly over the stage.
- Luigi is now actually Luigi.
I don't like Yoshi's Island either, but how have you never played that game up until now??
Wow, Jeff totally redeemed.
Man, haven't seen this gem pop up in a long time. The cape is potentially overpowered, sure, but just because you can use something to break the game, doesn't mean you should.
The complaints about the cape remind me of the complaints about SMB3's warp whistles:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGHiy9B_vcU