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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. |OT| Tahiti is a Magical Place (to...Hey guys, I found it!)

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fallengorn

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Ithil said:
On the show, it appears like they are doing a little retooling in this and the next episode, with them moving the Tahiti subplot to a conclusion, apparently moving the Skye's past subplot to a conclusion next episode, and also changing up Skye's role a litte (less hacker, more spy), and dropping a few of the first half's things. We'll see how much they've addressed flaws of the show by the end of the season.
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Like the pre-break teaser, there's nothing suggesting that they're going to wrap it up in a neat bow. At the very least we're getting some more clues/answers.

Kai Dracon said:
It would be a nice twist if the "7 operations" the doc referred to are in fact 7 previous deaths.
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That's... a pretty neat idea. That green stuff could be the Infinity Formula.
 
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Rodney McKay

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Kai Dracon said:
Otherwise I generally question if there will ever be anything behind why Coulson is so special and important. The shit Fury has done to Coulson doesn't have the right flavor for emotional attachment. Not like Fury genuinely sees Coulson as a dear friend. Coulson was literally tortured back to life against his wishes. But then the doc made mention that before the final brain operation to change his personality and memory, Coulson was in some horrifying state of half life.
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I think that was more of a reference to them basically ripping Coulson out of Heaven to bring him back, that's what I felt the shot with the light in space was referring too. He didn't have the will to live because he died and was already in the blissful afterlife (a lot like what happened in Buffy).
 
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fallengorn

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BlackNMild2k1 said:
You two care to elaborate? is that tied to something that has happened in the comics?
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Not directly. Kai was just theorizing of a way to give Coulson's resurrection more meaning. I was just riffing off of it.

I don't think there's a character that has died multiple times only to get resurrected because of some program. (I guess the closest thing would be Deathlok.) There is a thing called the Infinity Formula that Nick Fury had in his body that explained why he's pretty much ageless in the comics. That jives well with trying to create an eternal agent.
 
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Gothos

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I think it's time to stop watching this. It's quite clear by now that all it has to do with comic books are character names there are thrown here or there. If this show was called somehow elese and we would change Fury/Coulson/Hand and all those Marvel names to something else would we know it was a show about Marvel universe? Nope. And without that it's just another tv show with bad actors and as genereic story as it gets. Meh.
 
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Sean

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Gothos said:
I think it's time to stop watching this. It's quite clear by now that all it has to do with comic books are character names there are thrown here or there. If this show was called somehow elese and we would change Fury/Coulson/Hand and all those Marvel names to something else would we know it was a show about Marvel universe? Nope. And without that it's just another tv show with bad actors and as genereic story as it gets. Meh.
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Same here, finally decided to call it quits on this show after this episode. The Coulson surgery scene with his exposed brain was kind of neat to watch but it was a disappointing non-reveal as far as I'm concerned.

The other characters like Skye and May have mysterious backstories too but I simply don't care. I don't feel like these mysteries are compelling enough to be dragged out the entire season.
 
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Kai Dracon

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Though, creepypasta thought? All the old stuff Coulson has collected are actually personal possessions from a previous time before a death. And that is why he is subconsciously obsessed with the past.
 
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Orbis Tabula

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Kai Dracon said:
Though, creepypasta thought? All the old stuff Coulson has collected are actually personal possessions from a previous time before a death. And that is why he is subconsciously obsessed with the past.
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Ooh, I like this too. This theory is getting more interesting. It would certainly explain the "why" to the resurrection mystery. I still want to learn a satisfying "how" though. "Super science" is boring. Use it as a way to introduce magic to the universe. Even the predictable LMD solution could be done well. But if the answer to "How did he come back?" ends up being nothing more than "We used advanced science. That's it." I will be disappointed.
 
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Alpende

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I didn't hate the episode for once but the only cool thing in 40 minutes was Colson's stuff. The thing with Skye pretending was stupid as hell. I'll give the next episode a shot and if that one blows I'm done.

I don't want to watch 11 episodes to get a somewhat decent one.
 
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Pai Pai Master

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Damn, that brain surgery scene was pretty jacked up. I'm not the squeamish type, but pretty much recoiled in horror at poor Coulson begging to stay dead. That is some dark, dark stuff. After the burning scene and this I'm still trying to figure out how this show retains a TV-PG rating, it's far more graphic than any of the MCU films.

I'm a little annoyed that they're continuing to drag this out for the whole season, but that scene alone has me intrigued enough to want to find out how they did it. Glad they're jumping right into making Fury look like the crazy asshole he is. Hopefully he, Hill and Shepard Book get more screen time now that the secret is out.

Not an amazing turnaround episode I was hoping for. Skye is still a really problematic actress/character combo. The acting of some of those extras was just so bad too. The pacing is still awful and it took way too long to get to that crucial scene, but now it at least feels like the series has a specific direction to move forward in.
 
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richiek

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"INHUMAN", hmmm...
 
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Hindle

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A vast improvement. The characters were actually useful for once and each played a great part in the story. Anyone else think Agent Hand is the Claroyvant btw?
 
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Father_Brain

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richiek said:
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"INHUMAN", hmmm...
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If anyone seriously thinks at this point that Marvel will actually use this show to introduce a set of characters or concepts that they want to be a major part of the MCU in the future, they're pretty damn gullible.

This show is about the Marvel brand, not Marvel IP.
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

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Father_Brain said:
If anyone seriously thinks at this point that Marvel will actually use this show to introduce a set of characters or concepts that they want to be a major part of the MCU in the future, they're pretty damn gullible.

This show is about the Marvel brand, not Marvel IP.
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Yep. The show is going to be buried in the backyard like the Star Wars Christmas Special.
 
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I'm hoping now that they are past the original batch of episodes they can stop pandering to the ABC crowd that isn't us and break away from the loosely connected episodic storytelling.
 
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Jest Chillin

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DoctorWho said:
I'm hoping now that they are past the original batch of episodes they can stop pandering to the ABC crowd that isn't us and break away from the loosely connected episodic storytelling.
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That's what Gregg was claiming in an interview recently posted in the thread here. And honestly that's a very Whedon-esque style of tv. The shows typically start out very procedural-esque dropping hints and breadcrumbs as to the larger stuff then it starts to pull together and ramp up later in the season. The biggest difference here (imo) is Joss isn't actually writing on this, so the dialogue is a bit different though the tone is similar and certain cast members are weaker in their portrayal than previous Whedon casts (mainly the actors playing Ward and Mae).
 
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Blader

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Gregg doesn't really have any advanced knowledge about the goings-on of the MCU. He's almost consistently said that everything about Coulson - expanding his role beyond Iron Man, killing him in the Avengers, reviving him in Agents of SHIELD - have all been surprises to him, and he didn't even know any details of Colson's resurrection until he read this episode's script.

I don't think he's trolling, he's just a nice guy who likes to play with his fans; he's not teasing any future info because he doesn't have any.
 
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kirblar

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DoctorWho said:
I'm hoping now that they are past the original batch of episodes they can stop pandering to the ABC crowd that isn't us and break away from the loosely connected episodic storytelling.
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The Power Rangers fight scene comparison the AV Club crystalized the issue for me.

They're making what's at its core a kids show and throwing in random acts of shocking/gore violence to hide it. When they really should be making a Marvel version of Alias that keeps the gore/violence in an acceptable parameter.
 
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Jest Chillin

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Blader said:
Gregg doesn't really have any advanced knowledge about the goings-on of the MCU. He's almost consistently said that everything about Coulson - expanding his role beyond Iron Man, killing him in the Avengers, reviving him in Agents of SHIELD - have all been surprises to him, and he didn't even know any details of Colson's resurrection until he read this episode's script.

I don't think he's trolling, he's just a nice guy who likes to play with his fans; he's not teasing any future info because he doesn't have any.
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His words weren't in reference to the MCU overall but in reference to the second half of the first season. I'm sure he's trustworthy enough in that regard.
 
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Red Arremer

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Slayven said:
No to the first 2 because they are mutants.
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Fox owns the movie rights to mutants, not the series rights, as far as I know. So they could use mutants. Also, I don't think that Fox owns literally every single mutant in the Marvel Universe.

Rafa=FedKilla said:
Incredible, just incredible. This is the episode that will be talked about as a watershed moment. It really changed the Marvel Cinematic Universe forever. Everything they have been building since the first Iron Man has lead to this moment. I just, woa, wow, wow. I don't know where they go from here, but the Marvel U will forever be changed.
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If you think that this show is supposed to make a huge impact on the Marvel Universe, then you're already walking in with the wrong mindset. The show is supposed to show how regular humans deal with all the superhuman shit, and they took Marvel's international police for that, since that one doesn't have any boundaries in terms of location etc.
It's never had the purpose of being a thread that goes through between the movies.
 
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kirblar

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Because Fox owns the Mutant rights, Marvel's starting to push the Inhumans instead.

Honestly, though? I think it's for the best. Spider-man would be nice to get back in the pocket, though.
 
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Red Arremer

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kirblar said:
Because Fox owns the Mutant rights, Marvel's starting to push the Inhumans instead.

Honestly, though? I think it's for the best. Spider-man would be nice to get back in the pocket, though.
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I'd be happier if they got back the Fantastic Four, more so than Spider-Man, even though Spider-Man also includes the rights to Osborn, and having him would also be great.

That said, the Inhumans are much more badass than the X-Men anyway.
 
Darkmakaimura

Darkmakaimura

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Welp....

Looks like Hulu has new policies or something in place. I used to be able to watch the show the day after it aired now it says I have to have Hulu Plus. Thanks Hulu!
 
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Figboy79

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This show is terrible.

I keep watching, because I was hoping it'd pull a Dollhouse and get better after about 6 episodes, but nope, it's still a bad show, with unlikeable characters, boring storylines, and a lack of feeling like it's part of the Marvel universe.

This episode was really disappointing. So far, out of the 11 episodes aired, I think I've liked 2 of them. I'd be happy if they made J. August Richards a regular on the show. His storyline is the only one that I find even remotely interesting. But of course, they pull the whole LOST thing by separating the positive black male father from his son and turning him "evil." Annoying, but at least he has fucking super powers...
 
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GuitarAtomik

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LTTEpisode as usual but I actually thought it was pretty good. The action direction/choreography is still relatively terrible but I thought some of the other direction was noticeably better than previous episodes. As mentioned, the brain reveal was about as disturbing as you could get with a TV-PG show and I thought the way the convo between Coulson and Doc in the car was pretty tense and uncomfortable as it should have been so much so I was half expecting Coulson to kill him at the end. I think that was a satisfactory piece of the Coulson death puzzle that actually has me interested in the full extent of it finally (specifically why he's so special) and if Peterson turns out to be
Deathlok
, that would be pretty awesome. Good step in the right direction.
 
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Raistlin

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Mariolee said:
This show is so weird. Like, it was relatively light and cheesy with dialogue, then for the last 15 minutes went pretty grimdark. There's almost no sense of pacing or identity. Does it want to be dark and dramatic or does it want to be fun for kids? It seems like it's trying to strike a balance between that but keeps tripping on itself in the process.

Also, when did Cornballer become Mod!? What!?!
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Guess you've never seen any of Whedon's previous works?
 
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kirblar

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Raistlin said:
It's a prime time show.

Calling it 'kid-oriented' is more than a stretch.
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They're trying to make an "all-ages" show but they're doing so in a way that it becomes bipolar, going from one extreme (lined up power rangers style shots, cheesy action sequences, "OMG A GHOST" episode) and the other (people being burned alive, Coulson's brain.)
 
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Xun

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Annoyingly it's not showing in the UK again till March, which is bullshit really.

I was expecting it to be on tonight, but sadly it isn't.
 
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