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Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. |OT| Tahiti is a Magical Place (to...Hey guys, I found it!)

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Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
We still don't know why, but at least we know what.

Also, looks like we might be getting answers for Skye's past next week. Hopefully this all means they have decided to stop messing around and actually go somewhere.
 
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Jest Chillin

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Man the direction for the scene showing the instruments was dope and the brain operation was insane. Also really enjoyed Skye putting her training to use. Great ep in my book.
 
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strobogo

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It bothers me that I'm only a few years older than Chole, but have never/will never be with a woman as good looking at her.
 
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dabig2

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Decent episode. The brain surgery...big WTF moment there. We still really don't know the "how" of the operation. Hopefully we get the answers for that in the 2nd half of this season. Come on Book, I know you know more!

Also loved Agent Ward pulling a move straight out of The Rock on that one soldier.

And Ruth Negga...hopefully that won't be the last we see of her for awhile. I can stare into those eyes for days.
 
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jb1234

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It was watchable but I found myself losing attention in places, just like most episodes of this show. There's not enough impact in the plot twists and the character work remains really flat. Putting aside my feelings for her, I just don't buy that the rest of the team really likes Skye, at least not at the level which is displayed here.
 
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Mariolee

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This show is so weird. Like, it was relatively light and cheesy with dialogue, then for the last 15 minutes went pretty grimdark. There's almost no sense of pacing or identity. Does it want to be dark and dramatic or does it want to be fun for kids? It seems like it's trying to strike a balance between that but keeps tripping on itself in the process.

Also, when did Cornballer become Mod!? What!?!
 
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crimsonheadGCN

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Sho_Nuff82 said:
They...still didn't explain it very well.
He was dead not for minutes or hours, but days, and Fury insisted they do a bunch of illegal operations to resurrect him. The ordeal was horrificly painful (to the extent that he was begging for death), so they manufactured memories of "Tahiti" by physically operating on his brain to placate his psyche. If even half of this is true Fury is worse than Amim Zola IMO.
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Isn't this how Fury is in the comics? Like he's done a lot of screwed up things? At least in the Ultimate universe, he's
interrogated a body-less Wolverine.
 
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Jitters

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BlackNMild2k1

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I liked tonites episode. Skye's successful imitation of May was surprisingly entertaining.

WTF at the Coulson moment though. That was kinda creepy.

This show really needs more Flower Dress. Seriously. No joke.

Doublesith said:
Are they turning Peterson into
a Deathlok?
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Nah, that would be to cool for this show.
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I had to look it up, but I think you may be on to something.
Left side of face destroyed, missing limb. The pieces are in place.
 
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Fezan

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Wow i thought the episode was bad. And is seriously loled at the starting fight. It was worse than many student project films
 
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Boem

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Watched this episode to give it a last chance. I was hoping they'd learned from their mistakes.

Nope. Still embarrassing. Really surprised at people here saying that the Coulson reveal was satisfactory. They didn't even reveal anything! All that we learned was 'Coulson was dead, they used super-science, now he's alive'. Everyone's crying, and we're supposed to feel something, but I'll be damned if I know what.

I mean, I'm fine with their not being much backstory for Coulson's reveal, as long as that story is well told. But it isn't . Like others have said, the show is all over the place tonally. Most of the time it has the subtlety, dialogue and comedy of a saturday morning cartoon, and then they throw in a CGI brain to appeal to older audiences? I wish they'd just get better writers. The show really comes off like there are too many people working on it that don't really give a shit.

Time to drop this, I guess.
 
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Napoleonthechimp

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Sho_Nuff82 said:
They...still didn't explain it very well.
He was dead not for minutes or hours, but days, and Fury insisted they do a bunch of illegal operations to resurrect him. The ordeal was horrificly painful (to the extent that he was begging for death), so they manufactured memories of "Tahiti" by physically operating on his brain to placate his psyche. If even half of this is true Fury is worse than Amim Zola IMO.
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I don't get why something like that would have to be painful. Just put him a medically induced coma while you do it.
 
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J10

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Napoleonthechimp said:
I don't get why something like that would have to be painful. Just put him a medically induced coma while you do it.
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Brain surgery isn't painful. The brain has no nerve endings. That's why brain surgery can be done on a conscious patient.

I think the painful part was that he was being yanked away from the afterlife. My question is, to what end? Lots of people died on the hellicarrier that day, but Fury was only concerned about Coulson?
 
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AMUSIX

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Looks like the show just got locked behind Hulu+, so this is where I get off the train. Really wanted to give this a full season before passing judgement, but simply not an option now.

And, yes, waiting 8 days after air is out of the question. Honestly, I don't understand why a show would want to do that, as it absolutely prevents any newcomers. If I'm watching it for free on Hulu, there is simply no way I'm going to transition to watching it live. If the gap were 5 days, and I found myself getting into the show, then I would conceivably start watching the live broadcast...
 
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Fezan

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J10 said:
Brain surgery isn't painful. The brain has no nerve endings. That's why brain surgery can be done on a conscious patient.

I think the painful part was that he was being yanked away from the afterlife. My question is, to what end? Lots of people died on the hellicarrier that day, but Fury was only concerned about Coulson?
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He was special. they mentioned this in this episode. Dont ask me why
 
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Napoleonthechimp

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J10 said:
Brain surgery isn't painful. The brain has no nerve endings. That's why brain surgery can be done on a conscious patient.

I think the painful part was that he was being yanked away from the afterlife. My question is, to what end? Lots of people died on the hellicarrier that day, but Fury was only concerned about Coulson?
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While I think you're probably right with the spiritual pain, I was actually originally referring to what other unspecified medical procedures he was put under.

The only other thing I have to say about the episode is: That brain surgery robot looked weirdly advanced, as if it was alien technology.
 
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Rafa=FedKilla

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Incredible, just incredible. This is the episode that will be talked about as a watershed moment. It really changed the Marvel Cinematic Universe forever. Everything they have been building since the first Iron Man has lead to this moment. I just, woa, wow, wow. I don't know where they go from here, but the Marvel U will forever be changed.
 
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Jest Chillin

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Boem said:
Watched this episode to give it a last chance. I was hoping they'd learned from their mistakes.

Nope. Still embarrassing. Really surprised at people here saying that the Coulson reveal was satisfactory. They didn't even reveal anything! All that we learned was 'Coulson was dead, they used super-science, now he's alive'. Everyone's crying, and we're supposed to feel something, but I'll be damned if I know what.
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It's a TV show. Major serialized elements of a TV show don't get revealed mid-season. I really don't understand why people are acting like it's new for shows to hold back on the payoff. Especially in a Post-LOST TV landscape.


Fezan said:
He was special. they mentioned this in this episode. Dont ask me why
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Actually, they just questioned why Coulson gets such special treatment. His team claims he's worth it but that could easily just be because he's loved by the people close to him (which would apply to Fury going to such extents to save him I think) but dedicating all those resources to saving him seems pretty obviously to be trying to keep the secret of his resurrection... well.. secret.
 
Lashley

Lashley

Why does he wear the mask!?
I thought that was a great episode tbh, next week's looks good too. People are too harsh on this.
 
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kurahador

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The reveal was great, definitely the highlight of this episode. Unfortunately the rest of the "formulaic" moments are just been there done that, though Skye little adventure was entertaining.
 
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fallengorn

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Cornballer said:
- Onion A|V Club's review of last night's episode
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AV Club reviews keep getting nitpickier, but I agree with the underlying criticisms.

The "answers" last night were completely unfulfilling. Are we supposed to be shocked that he was dead for days and had several surgeries to revive him? The internet is awash with such fantastical theories, this was just met with, "meh." Especially without the Why. Why Coulson? Why this team?

For a positive, I think they handled Skye better this episode.

Also, from the stinger, it looks like Peterson is slowly going to turn into Deathlok. But I know better.
 
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Lone_Prodigy

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One nitpick I have is how Centipede was able to recover Peterson before Shield did. Even if he was dead he has alien technology in him that needs to be found.

And Poe was too easily discarded after they went to all the lengths of breaking him out.
 
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Ithil

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Cornballer said:
- Onion A|V Club's review of last night's episode
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This entire paragraph:
While on the subject of lazy storytelling, why in the world does Agent Coulson have a giant pair of tweezers in his pocket when he’s imprisoned by Centipede? It’s entirely possible he had an urgent eyebrow emergency he was going to deal with after all that Mike Petersen business, but why would his captors allow him to keep the tweezers? Did they not search his pockets? It’s not like he’s using a lockpick hidden in his nostrils, here. This is a large pair of tweezers that the NSA probably wouldn’t allow on an airplane. Why would Centipede leave them on a secret agent that they want to retrieve valuable information from? I’m overthinking this, but it’s the job of the writer to prevent the audience from overthinking things. There are so many other options available for getting a super spy out of handcuffs (breaking thumbs, nostril lock pick, watch laser, etc.), so why did the writers go with one that was so confounding in context? All it does is make the villains look like idiots. Those observations may sound like nitpicking, but I wouldn’t be nitpicking if I was more invested in the story.
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Did the reviewer fail to notice Couslen falling onto the tray of torture implements about a second before he's put on the bed? That's when he grabbed the tweezers.

So that entire paragraph is complaining about nothing.

On the show, it appears like they are doing a little retooling in this and the next episode, with them moving the Tahiti subplot to a conclusion, apparently moving the Skye's past subplot to a conclusion next episode, and also changing up Skye's role a litte (less hacker, more spy), and dropping a few of the first half's things. We'll see how much they've addressed flaws of the show by the end of the season.
 
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Kai Dracon

Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
About Poe: Whedon shows have something of a history of building up a villain to be really important then killing them without warning an episode later. I guess it's just a thing.

Otherwise I generally question if there will ever be anything behind why Coulson is so special and important. The shit Fury has done to Coulson doesn't have the right flavor for emotional attachment. Not like Fury genuinely sees Coulson as a dear friend. Coulson was literally tortured back to life against his wishes. But then the doc made mention that before the final brain operation to change his personality and memory, Coulson was in some horrifying state of half life.

I'm not sure they can salvage anything sufficiently meaningful at this point. Though one notion I've seen is that Coulson has been dead before and is an ongoing experiment to make an eternal agent.

It would be a nice twist if the "7 operations" the doc referred to are in fact 7 previous deaths.
 
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SRG01

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Kai Dracon said:
About Poe: Whedon shows have something of a history of building up a villain to be really important then killing them without warning an episode later. I guess it's just a thing.

Otherwise I generally question if there will ever be anything behind why Coulson is so special and important. The shit Fury has done to Coulson doesn't have the right flavor for emotional attachment. Not like Fury genuinely sees Coulson as a dear friend. Coulson was literally tortured back to life against his wishes. But then the doc made mention that before the final brain operation to change his personality and memory, Coulson was in some horrifying state of half life.

I'm not sure they can salvage anything sufficiently meaningful at this point. Though one notion I've seen is that Coulson has been dead before and is an ongoing experiment to make an eternal agent.

It would be a nice twist if the "7 operations" the doc referred to are in fact 7 previous deaths.
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I'm inclined to believe this theory as well. It would explain why Coulson is as good as he is, because they keep resurrecting him.
 
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