Black-Wind
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Hummmmm ... didn't he say how the one he wanted wouldn't have him? I never remembered Sky rejecting him or even showing signs of disinterest. Seemed pretty clear she was down for it.
That would be ... an interesting twist ...!
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Hummmmm ... didn't he say how the one he wanted wouldn't have him? I never remembered Sky rejecting him or even showing signs of disinterest. Seemed pretty clear she was down for it.
That would be ... an interesting twist ...!
Still reeling from the two dead security guards in the mountain whose names we don't even know. One crisis at a time.
Rafa=FedKilla
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You didn't see how protective Simmons was of Skye???
Dirtyshubb
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Its more than obvious (not a bad thing) that its Skye that Ward has feelings for, they are doing the classic "Give him someone else to screw for the moment before he eventually gets with the one he loves" or they might kill Ward off just after he reveals his feelings for Skye (for maximum damage to Skye and the team).
It's in part because Ward got jealous of May and Coulson (when Coulson was tending to her wounds). Ward gets pissed, finally decides that him and May are just friends with benefits and hence the reveal of his true feelings last episode, which also explain why Ward is so angry at Coulson for putting Skye in danger.
TacticalFox88
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Meh I don't see Skye being the one she was talking about until there's more conclusive evidence.
Dirtyshubb
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Ok i may end up being wrong, which if that happens shame on me but its CLEAR Ward has feelings for Skye.
Go back through the series and watch their interactions, watch when Ward was teaching her etc. and see all the subtle looks and interactions between them. If it ends up being anyone else it will just not make sense and scream "we wanted to surprise you" rather than having it planned out from the start.
The only reason Ward went with May was because he had convinced himself that he didn't like Skye, or at least he needs to forget about it. That's why May brings up "If what she said was true, you have been lying to yourself the most" etc. meaning he convinced himself he liked May but really it was Skye.
Like i said, if it turns out to be anyone but Skye i would be disappointed and surprised.
The Elite
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It wasn't violent but it was rape. It's no different than if you drug someone and they appear to willingly have sex with you when in fact they aren't in their right mind.
I remember an episode of Smallville had Bizarro sleep with Lana. She thought it was Clark. That was rape too.
What was really funny about Bizarro and Lana having sex is that when she found out it she made it sound like it was better than with Clark.
Funky Papa
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Yeah, it was a bit of a joke. He couldn't consent no matter how you look at it.
What makes this weird is that Marvel is developing Alias/Jessica Jones for Netflix, in which the lead character went through a similar experience to Ward (altough somewhat more sadistic) and she became scarred for life as a result.
I'm struggling to comprehend where Coulson's team stands on the SHIELD ladder. From the "Hub" episode, we learn that SHIELD is a pretty big operation and everyone treats his team like they're a bunch of low-level pieces of shit. However, we know that Coulson has enough clout that Fury gave him his own plane with a sweet bar and they go on all these high-priority missions and save the day.
So, are they the A-Team or are they the underdogs?
So, are they the A-Team or are they the underdogs?
The Elite
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I'm sure Ward will compartmentalize the whole ordeal like the good soldier he is.
compartmentalized in his spank bank.
Jest Chillin
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Fury and Hill likely framed it as a specialized team but seeing as how it's comprised of 2 rookies straight out of the academy and two vets who previously had absolutely no desire to be a part of a team (one of which we now know was placed there specifically to report on Coulson) it's more likely they're a C string team given to Coulson so they could monitor how he handles himself in the field, without the missions being the most dire of circumstances (when compared to, you know, aliens invading our planet to enslave/destroy all of humanity).
Jest Chillin
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Well remember that to our knowledge the only people who know about Coulson's situation are Fury, Maria Hill, The Doctor, and now we know May does as well. With Fury being off grid, Maria Hill would be overseeing the entirety of SHIELD in his absence.. which means the orders likely came from someone below her. There's also a good chance that Coulson's team was just the closest at the moment and with an otherworldly visitor like that, they want to know ASAP if it's friend or foe. Which is the same reason Coulson's team (which has 3 men) were sent immediately to confront Lorelai as well. Trying to contain a situation before it can get out of hand.
Outside of that, every mission they've been assigned to undertake has been pretty small at first glance. It just so happens that it's all connecting and evolving into a much bigger position.
BattleMonkey
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They got the Netflix shows coming, they can let AoS die off. If the ratings continue to slip, Marvel name isn't going to keep it alone.
Funky Papa
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They need to keep Marvel alive on TV at least until the Netflix deal bears fruit.
A second season is all but certain at this point, and it would have to bomb like a motherfucker in order to null a third one.
Are people forgetting coulson runs this team and was a big part of the avengers initiative and also is known to Thor?
Or you know, we're actually victim blaming him for going in alone.
So Funky yet so reasonable.
dead souls
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Really? Have you ever watched television before?
It's so obviously Skye that I can't even imagine how anybody could think they were talking about anybody other than her.
Jest Chillin
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That's the thing. Coulson's previous work would suggest that this SHIELD team is supposed to be top tier but the fact that they're being given relatively small missions and making so many mistakes tends to show the reality being that post-T.A.H.I.T.I. Coulson's been sent to the Minor Leagues for evaluation so-to-speak.
I can't imagine they've resurrected many people before him, so they're going to have no idea how he'll respond to it. So while they wouldn't want him assigned to the most important or biggest threats, they also couldn't truly evaluate him at a desk job either. So give him a small team, fancy mobile base, and assign him relatively minor missions. That's how I figure it anyways.
Edit: I kind of digressed a bit so let me get more to a relevant point. His reputation and previous work suggest that it his team and their tasks are all of utmost importance. However really, all the threats (at least individually) are small fry stuff. While Coulson knows Thor and by extension is known by Lady Sif, really anyone could've greeted her. She was likely already told of SHIELD's role in The Battle of New York by Thor anyways, so she would've been receptive to any of their agents. Lorelai is dangerous.. but not Loki or Red Skull dangerous. At least not initially. So send a smaller team to try to grab her before she gets a foothold and the big guns have to get called in. That way the big guns can focus on whatever the larger threats are (which I think we're all guessing is going to be the events in CA2).
They have made mistakes because they are a bunch of adolescents playing at being spies, so unless Coulson got brain-damaged with the resurrection and his judgment is seriously gone, they are still what passes for a top tier handpicked team at SHIELD and Coulson is still Fury's favorite kid. He just has a way of not really giving too much of a shit and I don't see how what they are tackling is relatively minor leagues, considering twice now they have been tasked to tending to Asgardian related matters.
I think the disconnect is the reality of the show. They want to have cute, relatable characters riddled with internal conflict and they don't really want to portray them and their part of SHIELD as the obviously cold, calculating and shady people they have to be to do the job (murder of 2 innocent people aside
).Jest Chillin
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Minor and Major are relative. Major stuff would be worlds-going-to-end-in-days-or-hours-if-we-don't-stop-this type of events. The Asgardian staff was dangerous, yes.. but it was also in the hands of normal humans. SHIELD didn't know the role that Asgardian professor would play when they gave Coulson the assignment. Likewise Lorelai is dangerous but her own habits limit her. She has to build her army with the appropriate kind of men that could pose a danger. Before she got control of Ward, who could she have gotten? Street gangs and Law Enforcement. Dangerous, but again, not world threatening dangerous. It would've taken her a pretty long time to build a large enough army of followers to be a huge international threat. Hell even the Asgardians sent only Lady Sif to retrieve her and not a whole team like they would for someone like Loki.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Yeah, but SHIELD doesn't know this immediately. The last time a threatening Asgardian came he killed hundreds of people, brought an army and threatened to take over the world. Nevermind that they are still suffering the effects of having to clean up the mess, etc. this is MCU, not comic book universe where things are treated differently and everyone is used to aliens coming and going. I understand that within the scope of the show she doesn't remotely seem like the big threat Loki was, but if I was running SHIELD you bet I'd take it as such.
And the last time only Thor came, again, against Loki and his army. Asgard obviously have an army too and should've felt at least partially responsible for Loki but they didn't send "a whole team" either, so I don't see how that point stands.
BlackNMild2k1
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Considering the events of Thor 2:
It was Loki that sent her.
Jest Chillin
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While it's true they don't know what to expect, it could be either friend or foe. Which is why I believe Coulson's team was sent simply because they could be the first to respond. If the events of Winter Soldier are already happening at the same time, then it's quite possible that SHIELD's primary attention is there so they'd send a team to scout the possible danger before they'd mobilize and entire squad/batallion/whatever. I mean top tier or not a group of Humans would have no chance of actually stopping a real Asgardian threat on the level of Loki so to assume that Coulson's team was given that task to fight one off seems like you're underestimating the intelligence of SHIELD's higher command.
You have to prioritize threats and you can't take complete focus off a confirmed threat to check out a possibility of one. Also the film MCU has dealt with super powered threats many times by now. Hulk, Iron Man, Captain America,
It's been awhile since I've seen it but I don't recall Loki having an Army in Avengers. At least not when he's first on Earth. But his arrival, even without a full army, prompted Fury to activate the Avengers initiative, using Banner, Iron Man, and Captain America to capture him. They only sent Thor because it was only Loki and Thor is capable of handling him. So even in that case, it's sending an appropriate response to the threat. No Chitauri Army was present on Earth when Thor was sent.
Edit: I kind of come across contradicting myself in that last paragraph. What I meant was, I don't recall Loki having an Army when he first arrives on Earth in Avengers.
Silver_DNA
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They could be pulling the old Shitcheroo.
I doubt it though. He's he S.O. which totally doesn't mean "Significant Other."
I agree with all of that, but first response team or not, I don't think you'd send Coulson if you were "testing" him. His team is believed to be more than capable to handle a potentially big threat, that is all that I meant. Like I said, I think there is more of a disconnect about what they say his team is and what it really looks like (in terms of what the show wants to be I mean).
Fury did it because of the tesseract, and yes, he "didn't bring the army with him" (that is what the cube was for) but they knew about it before he deployed it. Thor mentions it while in the Helicarrier. And while Thor might be able to handle him alone, they don't send backup his way even though he knows what he is up to before he opens the portal. Nor during. Nor after.
Jest Chillin
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You can't test him in the field without putting his team on reasonably dangerous missions. The intent is to find out what will happen to Coulson under a number of different pressures and situations. To see if he's changed as a result of the resurrection or worse, if he'll snap. They also can't risk letting Coulson feel as if they're babying him. It's notable that once Lorelai controlled Ward, they mobilized a significantly larger force to support Coulson because the threat of Lorelai with Ward's resources and knowledge was viewed as too great for just the rest of the team. It turns out that it wasn't but ironically that's primarily the result of Fitz being an incompetent servant for Lorelai.
Like I said, been awhile since I've seen the movie but I don't recall Thor ever contacting Odin to update him on the situation. Are you working on the assumption that Odin was monitoring the event the entire time? Because if Odin is unaware of the change, then he'd have no reason to send more people. Thor being at the center of it all seems to have assessed that they had all the people they needed.
Odin's intelligent scout ravens are in the background of a scene or two, so it's safe to assume Odin knows about the situation.
Jest Chillin
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Ah ok. Thanks for that. It weakens my stance a bit but it's good to know regardless.
I am going off of memory here but Loki says something to the effect of:
"With the bifrost gone how much dark energy did the all father have to conjure to get you here."
"You need the cube to get back home but I've sent it off, I know not where."
The bifrost was still destroyed during The Avengers and sending Thor to earth was a pretty big deal. He would not have been able to get back home without the cosmic cube. I assume that is why Odin didn't send more people. He simply couldn't.
I'm working under the assumption that Heimdall can see him all the time so whether or not Thor had called for help they know the state the place is in. They don't dwell on the specifics because the movie is packed as it is.
I'm also working under the assumption that the point of the movie is to showcase The Avengers and sending soldiers to fight with Thor would have have made them look less heroic, which is a reality of making such a movie and the reality of this universe in general and such things depend on more than the logic of the situation in most cases.
I forgot about this. You are right.
I don't think this was posted, but Nerdist podcast carried a great interview with Jaimie Alexander prior to when the episode broadcast:
http://www.nerdist.com/2014/03/nerdist-podcast-jaimie-alexander/
Not much detail about Shield, but talks about practically everything else (such as her love of
, and is a
girl). Worth a listen! Starts around the 4m45s mark.
http://www.nerdist.com/2014/03/nerdist-podcast-jaimie-alexander/
Not much detail about Shield, but talks about practically everything else (such as her love of
knives
beautifully filthy-minded
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Idea: Katee Sackhoff guest stars in Season 2 as Carol Danvers, an alcoholic USAF Officer-turned-SHIELD Agent who has basically washed out. We're introduced to the character who subsequently gets her own movie where she is empowered by a dying Kree soldier and has to kick the bottle and save the planet.
Remember the scene where there were other scientists on the plane and fitzsimmons were annoyed by their presence and giving them orders and stuff? Is that common for rookies straight out of the academy?
And ya, every member even Skye boss around the other shield agents a lot. It feels like they are high level agents but it's non-believable that they are.
And like another poster said, seeing the agents in the winter soldier trailer and then watching AOS...just doesn't feel believable that they are in the same agency
And ya, every member even Skye boss around the other shield agents a lot. It feels like they are high level agents but it's non-believable that they are.
And like another poster said, seeing the agents in the winter soldier trailer and then watching AOS...just doesn't feel believable that they are in the same agency
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Different... divisions?
I do hope they give us an idea of the hierarchy at shield and where these agents rank.
Any excuse is fine! I'm totally game! Just warp my mind into making sense of this so I can continue to enjoy the mcu happily
Hours Left
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Fitz & Simmons are prodigies. They are the youngest graduates ever from the Science branch of the academy, so I wouldn't really call them rookies. (It's just field work they are new to.)
I think Skye was just taking advantage of the situation. Coulson's team is definitely an anomaly. They probably have extra clout because Coulson is obviously Fury's favorite.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Which is why Fury won't answer his goddamn calls.
I find it hilarious that Coulson's running around screaming "I WANT ANSWERS, FIND FURY" and in the meantime, Winter Soldier blew him up and put him in a hospital somewhere.
Hours Left
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He probably thinks he's "protecting" Coulson. (Something that is obviously extremely important to Fury, since he went outside of SHIELD to save him.)
The real question is why Fury cares so much. Are they just really close friends, or does Coulson have some other "benefit".
GreatEdmondo
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If they didn't do the alcoholic storyline for Tony, for who it was a major part of his character, then they won't do it for Carol.
If they did introduce Carol, I'd do it by having the team investigate strange activity at an air force base, and have them work with Carol, a headstrong pilot who feels shafted by her superiors. The activity turns out to be Kree, and during the investigation Carol gets turned into a Kree/Human hybrid, but doesn't develop superpowers straight away. They develop in her own movie where she tells her superiors to shove it, and becomes a superhero.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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I know they didn't do the storyline for Tony, but I'd like to see it play out in a Marvel flick. It'd be an interesting take on a superhero (ignore Hancock). Once we move into Phase 3 and 4, I hope they start taking more risks with the films. I think we're already seeing that with Winter Soldier being a paranoid grey morality flick and the presence of Guardians of the Galaxy as a big bet.
Jest Chillin
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These are good ideas. The only thing that might be tricky is Katee is a series regular on Longmire. I have no idea when they film. But if the filming of both shows doesn't conflict, it would be cool to see. Though I think it's worthy of at least a double episode.
Jorok Goldblade
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Coulsen also likely has more experience with Asgardians than any other agent. He's had contact with Thor, Loki, Sir, the Warriors Three, and the Berserker from earlier in the season.
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