Experts : " prop armor should be responsible for checking and ensuring that everything is safe before the scene "
Still can’t deal with the fact that you’re stupidly wrong, I see. I get it, you’re desperate to dunk on Baldwin, but sadly you can’t. You’ll be ok.
You are dangerous, I sincerely hope you are the lowest rung employee possible and have no safety responsibility whatso ever and that no one else is relying on you to ensure their safety.
It was partly. He's a co-producer of the movie.
I strongly suspect that the root cause analysis that comes from this will mandate that actors DO NOT do whatever Alec was doing when this happened. Regardless of assigned blame, I think he shares some culpability and responsibility. I think we can all agree, without being childish, that safety is a collective responsibility and multiple safety nets are better than a single point of failure.
I think everyone agrees that responsible gun safety was thrown out the window here. There is no real debate about that.I strongly suspect that the root cause analysis that comes from this will mandate that actors DO NOT do whatever Alec was doing when this happened. Regardless of assigned blame, I think he shares some culpability and responsibility. I think we can all agree, without being childish, that safety is a collective responsibility and multiple safety nets are better than a single point of failure.
Some of you guys are so far out of their depth on this, it's ludicrous. Some of us are very experienced with safety practices and firearms, you should probably close your yap hole and open those listening holes a bit, God gave yah 2 ears and 1 mouth for a reason
Or sycophants who think the man holding the gun doesn’t bear ANY responsibility at all.
Telogen Effluvium, Mr. Baldwell! For starters...
Yes and they expressed doubts they were
The studio expressed doubts they were qualified? Then why did they hire them?
The person herself expressed doubts. She is Thell Reed’s (famous Hollywood armorer) daughter.
I’m sorry Baldwins impressions upset you so much. Unfortunately for you and all the other geniuses who think the last line of defense is the…lol…actors, it isn’t.You are dangerous, I sincerely hope you are the lowest rung employee possible and have no safety responsibility whatso ever and that no one else is relying on you to ensure their safety.
You think you are Maverick and you can be reckless, I hope there is no goose out there for you to kill.
What in actual....fuck???? So the person themselves says "Not sure if I am ready for this..." and their reaction was to hire her????The person herself expressed doubts. She is Thell Reed’s (famous Hollywood armorer) daughter.
Rust's 24-Year-Old Armorer Said She 'Almost Didn't Take' Previous Job: 'I Wasn't Sure If I Was Ready'
"I think loading blanks was like the scariest thing to me because I was like, 'Oh, I don't know anything about it,'" Hannah Gutierrez-Reed previously said about her first time as lead armorerwww.yahoo.com
And there’s now this,
'Rust' assistant director had a history of unsafe practices, prop maker says
Maggie Goll, an experienced special effects technician and pyrotechnician, said Dave Halls once attempted to keep filming even after a crew member suffered a medical emergency. .news.yahoo.com
I don't think anyone here things ONLY Alec is responsible, just that he might bear some responsibility, both as an actor and as producer, particularly given his decades of experience.
I think that was a somewhat rhetorical statement about her going off on her own to do her first film which went OK.
The person herself expressed doubts. She is Thell Reed’s (famous Hollywood armorer) daughter.
Rust's 24-Year-Old Armorer Said She 'Almost Didn't Take' Previous Job: 'I Wasn't Sure If I Was Ready'
"I think loading blanks was like the scariest thing to me because I was like, 'Oh, I don't know anything about it,'" Hannah Gutierrez-Reed previously said about her first time as lead armorer
And there’s now this,
'Rust' assistant director had a history of unsafe practices, prop maker says
Maggie Goll, an experienced special effects technician and pyrotechnician, said Dave Halls once attempted to keep filming even after a crew member suffered a medical emergency. .
I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an incredible example of willful ignorance online in my life. You both have zero arguments and are falling back on “haha you are wrong and dumb!”
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People who don’t manipulate them regularly, are completely ignorant of how they work and are strict anti gun should also be knowledgeable and informed of the 4 rules of firearms safety.
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Sorry but no. Irrelevant what the victim's father think.Alec Baldwin ‘not responsible’ for movie set death, Halyna Hutchins’ father says
Anatoly Androsovych, Halyna Hutchins’ father, ascribed blame on the “Rust” movie crew who handed Alec Baldwin a loaded gun rather than the Hollywood actor.
But you don’t understand, we are going to browbeat you with appeals to emotion, regardless of firearm safety 101.
14 fucking pages of pissing and moaning and finally something we can all agree on.
Um. No.
Movies have multiple producers, and its very often the case that the talent is listed as producer for the kudos, rather than them doing much actual work.
Here's the producer credits for the movie the accident happened on:
Absolutely possible that Baldwin's involvement as an actual producer was minimal. In fact, more than possible, it's very probable.
EDIT: reading a lot of the information about this incident indicates a very unsafe working environment on a low budget movie where everyone was rushing to get the film made as cheaply and as quickly as possible. A lot of those involved have previous incidents where they have not created and maintained a safe set. If nothing else, as the star of the film, Baldwin could have exerted pressure on the production to ensure better safety arrangements. There had already been accident misfires on set. This really should not have happened, and while I don't blame Baldwin for the actual death, I do think he has his share of culpability in terms of the way the film was being made.
A lot of you are keen to haul Baldwin over the coals because of the single incident where he was handed a live gun that he was told was cold (largely due to your political differences with him, I suspect), but that's not where he's actually at fault. As the main talent on the movie, he had a duty of responsibility to his crew when it was clear things were amiss before the accident. That's where he's at true fault here.
https://www.latimes.com/entertainme.../alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-set
I never once denied that Baldwin was a fucking idiot here. He did not practice basic firearms safety here. Even I know that. The argument for me personally has always been whether or not he bore criminal liability and about the level of responsibility he bore versus the Propmaster/Armorer.
So what you’re saying is, you agreed that he did not practice proper firearm safety, especially as a veteran, especially being a producer on the Indie film set that had serious issues within the same week in regards to firearm safety which caused union workers to walk out hours prior, the nepotism hire of an inexperienced person had a firearm issue that halted production of a Nicholas Cage movie in the same location prior to this assignment, blindly trusted this person bypassing standard firearm safety practice… pointed the gun at another living being, pulled the trigger, killed a woman… but the killer who is a moron that was a boss on set and did not practice proper firearm safety, pointed and pulled the trigger … is least to blame.
Ok but don't ask her to hand you a gun.
I don't remember anyone talking about criminal responsibility or cussing Baldwin or wishing him the worst. Just responsibility.
Ding ding ding.
Yes yes. The only reason he walks away from this is because he is rich and famous.
Thanks bro, I tried to be thorough and ELI5 for ya!
