In order for this line of reasoning to hold up in court you would have to prove that Baldwin knew the person was not qualified for the job or that they had a history of safety related incidents and then knowingly hired him anyway. If the person was highly recommended with a spotless record or had the illusion of one then Baldwin is not at fault for hiring someone he thought to be qualified for the job.
Everyone involved is responsible, even the last man to hold the firearm and pulling the trigger.
Still gotta check it again yourself. Incredibly basic safety here.
You have said that a few times now. I know your opinion on the matter.
Funnily enough it was only the chick’s second job and there were incidents prior to the fatality, so it’s hard to think there weren’t some red flags here
It’s not an opinion, it’s literally in the rules and oversight that were enacted in Hollywood since the Brandon Lee incident.
I guess we will find out when the investigation is over and whether or not Baldwin is charged with anything.
If you are correct then Baldwin will be appropriately charged and have a chance to defend himself and his actions in court.
Now you’re being silly. So reductive.
Yeah bro, did you read that part?
How? What did I say that was wrong? There is an investigation into the incident right? If Baldwin is found to be at fault he is going be charged. Especially if you are correct about the rules being as strict as they are.
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Bruh, it said the actor should be dry firing and watching the procedure.
Bruh. Reading comprehension
Are you just messing with me or what? If I am so obviously incorrect then tell me what I said that was wrong. Because it's my understanding there is an investigation right?Bruh, it said the actor should be dry firing and watching the procedure.
Clearly that wasn’t done. Negligence all around.
Bruh reading comprehension. Read the next paragraph
I don’t use Twitter. You clearly do. Lol
Isn't it her job to teach him and make sure he follows the procedures?
Yes it is a negligenceBruh, it said the actor should be dry firing and watching the procedure.
Clearly that wasn’t done. Negligence all around.
Were you there?
He pointed a gun at a lady and killed her. He needed to be responsible with the gun he was holding. There are basic firearms safety requirements that were clearly ignored. I don’t need an investigation to see that. You shouldn’t either.
It depends. Was the F1 driver properly operating his car or was he mishandling it? Because in this case, Baldwin mishandled his weapon, so he will bear some responsibility for the consequences of that.
Retard analogy.
Or perhaps I just don’t stupidly apply blame where it doesn’t belong. Remind us, how much jail time did Michael Massee do? Oh right, none. He wasn’t accused of any wrong doing, the props department was.
Alec Baldwin did not mishandeld his weapon
You keep making this up like it is true. The last line of safety IS the actor, they share responsibility. They must behave professionally. Just because an actor is handed a "cold gun" doesn't mean they can Quickdraw on all the crew and play shoot them for example.
Clearly you know nothing about firearms safety. Which is fine. But when you pick up a gun, it doesn’t matter if someone tells you it’s safe. A gun is never safe. It’s a gun. You handle it accordingly at all times. Maybe you should sit this one out. Since you don’t know anything about the topic.
Hmmm who to believe, experts or people on forums who never worked on a set. Hmmmm . Tough call.
You can't actually mean that. Of course there has to be an investigation. That's the only way you are to figure out whose fault all of this is. Why there was a real bullet on set and how it got into a prop gun? Did Baldwin check the gun and mistakenly think the real bullet was a blank? Was the prop master qualified for the position?
Or perhaps youre the one who should sit this one out. Since you dont know anything about this topic
There are other people who also bear responsibility certainly. But whenever you pick up a weapon, you are responsible for it. Period. There’s really no discussion about it. I’m not sure why you’re having a hard time here.
If someone was forced to point a gun to another person and shoot at somebody hes been told to shoot at does that mean hes responsible for the act?
Well obviously there is going to be a discussion about it. Hence the investigation and why the actor is not just thrown immediately into jail.
What are you talking about? In your weird hypothetical where someone is FORCING you to shoot someone, we can’t place blame on the shooter. Of course that’s nothing like what happened here.
Ah i see
The way safety works is you want multiple layers so if one fails (armorer puts out weapon with live rounds by mistake) then the weapon is checked (by AD before handing to actor) and the weapon is STILL treated as "hot" by the actor and they don't point it at anything important (like people) without even more safety checks (like a barrier, remote camera, additional weapon checks, specific safe zone to discharge weapon, etc).
So it's quite possible Alec did all he reasonably could as an actor. But he might have been able to do more, and as his role as Co-producer perhaps a LOT more.
You have to be trolling at this point. I thought people were probably jumping to conclusions early on because a) they don’t like Baldwin and his politics and b) I wasn’t familiar with on set safety protocols and I could imagine a scenario in which Baldwin wasn’t necessarily responsible. At this point, however, enough experts have chimed in and enough set safety protocols posted that I’m less convinced he could be totally absolved of responsibility, because everything I’ve seen is that the actor has a responsibility to check the prop to verify it’s safe. He apparently didn’t do that. And again, he’s been doing this for decades, so if that’s standard practice and he didn’t do it, that’s even worse.
What are you babbling about? No one here is calling for Alec to be in jail RIGHT NOW. There is a certain reveling in his hypocrisy coming back to get him but otherwise it is a call for an investigation at all levels. No one is jumping the gun (bad pun) or rushing to judgment.
I didn’t want to get too personal, but I actually worked on the movie set for the Michael Chiklis film, Pawn back in 2011. Worked directly with the weapons master and the local SWAT that was used for extras for consultation and firearm safety. They were all instructed and followed the procedures outline by those I quoted. The actors and extras dry fired, and checked the weapons in front of you when handed to them for the scenes. We even rechecked them hot in between every take, exhausting but mandatory. Only ones that weren’t checked were the non firing prop snipers and the rubber glocks in the night scenes for the police extras.
There’s a discussion about criminal responsibility. But in terms of absolute responsibility, you’re always responsible for a weapon in your hand. It’s not debatable.
But this isnt a criminal scene
Airbus Jr
. Buddy.
I guess we will just have to wait and see if the courts agree with you on that.
You always do this.
You don’t need the courts to agree with the second part of what he’s saying.
