Bonfires Down
Member
I think they do. I could be wrong but I believe there isn’t much overclocking headroom in modern GPUs.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
(*) Ali Salehi, a rendering engineer at Crytek contrasts the next Gen consoles in interview (Up: Tweets/Article removed)
- Thread starter Apollo Helios
- Start date
- Opinion
Amiga
Member
GHG
Member
That's exactly what they do sometimes though, especially with mid generation refreshes.
ethomaz
Banned
A GPU with 20CUs and 2000Mhz will delivery more performance than a 40CUs and 1000Mhz even both having the same TFs.
That is true since ever on PC.
But some tried to say it was bullshit lol.
SSD is really showing up everything he said.
That is true since ever on PC.
But some tried to say it was bullshit lol.
Play Miles Morales or Demon’s Souls.
SSD is really showing up everything he said.
Last edited:
GHG
Member
A mid gen refresh that mirrors the PS5's architecture?
I can't see it to be honest considering their push for Xcloud. I could be wrong but I'd think they will want any future consoles (if there are to be any) to mirror their current architecture as closely as possible to ensure compatibility.
Why, are there native 6k60 games on the PS5?
diffusionx
Gold Member
alabtrosMyster
Banned
These days, Both CPU and GPU have little to no overclocking headroom if you don't go crazy on the cooling.
GHG
Member
He means from an architecture point of view, not power.
The Xbox One X was a huge departure from the original Xbox One and very much mirrored the PS4's design but with a lot more power.
GHG
Member
Read the thread of discussion...
The idea that's being proposed is that if there is to be a Series X2 (or whatever the hell they would call it) it would potentially mirror the PS5's architecture rather than the original Series X's. That is what they ended up doing with the move from the original Xbox One to the One X.
The fundamentals are that you copy the more successful architecture and then add more power, doing away with your original architecture in the process. That's what the discussion is about. You asking about whether there are 6k60 (6k isn't a recognised resolution but ok) PS5 games doesn't make sense within this context, there don't need to be games reaching that target on PS5 hardware for them to be able to appreciate the design enough to imitate it.
Last edited:
The_Observer
Member
TLDR please
Real world performance is closer than the numbers would suggest? Meaning PS5 and XSX performances are closer than we thought before?
Real world performance is closer than the numbers would suggest? Meaning PS5 and XSX performances are closer than we thought before?
By which criteria would we know right now, at the time when the mid-gen refreshes are already being designed, which architecture is "more successful"?
And the idea that engineers simply "copy" an architecture is a simplification of what hardware manufacturing is but that's besides my point.
If this "copy" suggestion is based on the early performance comparisons, I simply asked which PS5 game runs at native 6k60 and your reply was to open the conversational rabbit hole that we now find ourselves in.
YeulEmeralda
Linux User
ethomaz
Banned
Last edited:
reinking
Gold Member
So devs will figure our one console and not the other? Not sure why time is supposed to be the miracle fix for one and the other will remain stagnant.
I predict in 2-3 years we are going to see exactly what we see now. Minimum difference between the two on third parties. Anyone dreaming of one console trouncing the other is living in fantasy land.
"it’s up to you as a player and with the Xbox Series X, you can switch between both 4K 120fps and 6K 60fps options on the fly. "
Ori and the Will of the Wisps Embraces the Power of Xbox Series X|S - Xbox Wire
Today is a big day for us at Moon since we are launching an upgraded version of Ori and the Will of the Wisps specifically for Xbox Series X|S. We are super excited to finally be able to share more about everything that we have been able to add in this very special update of […]
news.xbox.com
"it’s up to you as a player and with the Xbox Series X, you can switch between both 4K 120fps and 6K 60fps options on the fly. "
Ori and the Will of the Wisps Embraces the Power of Xbox Series X|S - Xbox Wire
Today is a big day for us at Moon since we are launching an upgraded version of Ori and the Will of the Wisps specifically for Xbox Series X|S. We are super excited to finally be able to share more about everything that we have been able to add in this very special update of […]
Not that truth matters in this era anymore.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
That's not what I wrote.
It's just the gist of that interview that the Series X is the machine where the power is more complicated to get out of it.
And that tends to improve over the years.
Happened with the Amiga, happened with the PS3, and if that dude is right it might happen with the Series X.
GHG
Member
You very rarely copy based on theoretical performance alone, there are other factors that lead to imitations in the engineering world. In this context ease of development and efficiency are two of them.
Why would you stick to a design has higher theoretical maximums but it's difficult/impossible to reach those when the more logical thing to do would be to imitate and iterate on design principles that would allow you to get the full potential out of a piece of hardware?
We actually saw the reverse of the situation happen in the move from the PS3 to the PS4. The PS4's architecture was closer to the 360's than it was the PS3's. It's nothing to be ashamed about, it happens all the time across all forms of engineering as people seek to take steps forward.
And no, we don't know at this stage, it's too early hence the whole conversation is speculative.
"it’s up to you as a player and with the Xbox Series X, you can switch between both 4K 120fps and 6K 60fps options on the fly. "
Ori and the Will of the Wisps Embraces the Power of Xbox Series X|S - Xbox Wire
Today is a big day for us at Moon since we are launching an upgraded version of Ori and the Will of the Wisps specifically for Xbox Series X|S. We are super excited to finally be able to share more about everything that we have been able to add in this very special update of […]
This is a 2d last gen game that runs at 8k 60fps on a 2080ti. Is this supposed to be some achievement?
yewles1
Member
A 2D game and a Minecraft looking adventure title, both available on Switch. Not exactly an argument of power here...
Last edited:
ethomaz
Banned
Supersampled... so it is rendering in 6k and outputing in 4k."it’s up to you as a player and with the Xbox Series X, you can switch between both 4K 120fps and 6K 60fps options on the fly. "
Ori and the Will of the Wisps Embraces the Power of Xbox Series X|S - Xbox Wire
Today is a big day for us at Moon since we are launching an upgraded version of Ori and the Will of the Wisps specifically for Xbox Series X|S. We are super excited to finally be able to share more about everything that we have been able to add in this very special update of […]
Yeap PS5 can have that too.
In fact PS4 had that too.
Last edited:
yewles1
Member
I remember FlOw on PS3 being supersampled 1440p, same with Child of Light on PS4 and X1.
Last edited:
ThatOneGrunt
Member
This interview seems to give credence to people saying the software is holding the Series X back. Windows is mucking things up.
GHG
Member
The 2080ti was not mentioned because of its price but rather because the theoretical TF figure is similar. For the record, you can now get a 3070 that is priced identically to the Series X and has the same performance as the 2080ti.
As you will be well aware there are many reasons to currently question the efficiency and architecture of the Series X - at the time of writing it is not performing as expected. Whether it is only the tools/software to blame or whether the other aforementioned factors also play a part remains to be seen. The picture will become clearer over time.
Thank you, and sorry for questioning your box/company of choice.
ChuckeRearmed
Member
So basically Sony & Linux fanboy?
GHG
Member
Like I said the point of comparison was due to the similar theoretical power. So if I had said 3070 (which performs identically) what would you have said?
Be pedantic as you like, it doesn't hurt to question things, especially when they aren't operating as advertised.
You have a series X, you should be asking Microsoft wtf is going on instead of making excuses for them.
Nobody needs to but yet here you are.
I thought you just said that your entire concern in this thread was speculative and precocious.
I think we can safely add selective to that, because I don't see you panic over the numerous hardware issues already reported which could lead to questioning the PS5 architecture choices.
I think I'll request a more neutral take on who's being a fanboy here.
I leave you the last word, I just got word that my PS5 may be arriving early. Time to unplug my Pro.
Last edited:
yewles1
Member
Actually, the newer PC cards are proving Salehi's point. We're reaching the point where more cores are being put in but not the clockspeed to access them all concurrently. The gap between the RX6000 series and 30XX is surprisingly small so far despite the massive core count on Nvidia's side. Higher clocks are needed now for efficiency, megahertz myth be damned.
GHG
Member
Yes, however you took issue with that despite the fact that there's ample reason to discuss/speculate what's going on with the series X underperforming at the moment.
What's there to be concerned about? If my console arrives next week and its one of the early units that's experiencing issues I'll be annoyed but it can be sorted, you get warranty for a reason.
By the way, since you're clearly not new here it would be better to post on your real account or let us know who you were before you got banned. I'm sure everyone will appreciate it.
Yep agreed. In that sense the PS5's chip design choices also mirror the decisions AMD have made when designing their new GPU's.
Futaleufu
Member
Overclocked hardware doesn't last long
John Wick
Member
So your using a 2d side scrolling game to make your arguement? Ok lmfao"it’s up to you as a player and with the Xbox Series X, you can switch between both 4K 120fps and 6K 60fps options on the fly. "
Ori and the Will of the Wisps Embraces the Power of Xbox Series X|S - Xbox Wire
Today is a big day for us at Moon since we are launching an upgraded version of Ori and the Will of the Wisps specifically for Xbox Series X|S. We are super excited to finally be able to share more about everything that we have been able to add in this very special update of […]
benjohn
Member
Which part is not clear for you? I can elaborate
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
Sony showing not talking
Microsoft talking not showing
Microsoft talking not showing
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Oh, this thread again.
reinking
Gold Member
I wasn't even sure which console you were rooting for. That is why I left my response generic. Look at the PS4 and how much better games looked and ran at the end of the generation. It too will improve. My point is, I doubt either will improve exponentially better than the other. There is not miracle waiting around the corner to suddenly turns one console into a beast that leaves the other in the dust. If I turn out to be wrong I will eat your serving of crow.
Stiflers Mom
Banned
So did the Atari ST and the 360.
If you don't get my point we don't need to further discuss and just agree to disagree.
QuantumZebra
Member
I don't know how many times this can be repeated, ad nauseum:
Dr. Lisa Su deserves a fucking trophy for what she's done at AMD.
Dr. Lisa Su deserves a fucking trophy for what she's done at AMD.
Last edited:
Bolivar687
Banned
I've never seen anyone get vindicated harder than Crytek Guy. People in here were saying "but he's saying a slower system will be a faster system!!!"
ethomaz
Banned
Is it?
Amiga
Member
She will have to settle for a few billion $