lepermessiah
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Power and performance in practise vs theoretical paper specs, PR buzzwords.
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(*) Ali Salehi, a rendering engineer at Crytek contrasts the next Gen consoles in interview (Up: Tweets/Article removed)
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thelastword
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Ali Salehi must be doing a birdmanrubbinghishands.gif right now...Saying, "Wait till they see Crysis 1+2+3 on PS5 and also Hunt with RT"....
Shmunter
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All these cool games like hunt will be a great upgrade on PS5. 60fps alone will be transformative, not to mention the rest.
namekuseijin
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just make Crysis VR
Dr. Kitty Muffins
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Awesome.
BlueXImpulse
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Whether PS5 ends up performing very closely to the XSX or not, this guy's logic is completely sound. Though it needs to translate into actual performance and we'll have to wait 2 or 3 months to find out.
Agnostic2020
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After not seeing a single game on xsx 2 months before launch , I think he was spot on with xsx dev kits not being as easy as ps5.
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pasterpl
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Excluding enhanced games and mine craft path traced, there were some games shown running on xbsex, there was even thread for one In here last week
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Agnostic2020
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So far one game other than BC games and Minecraft demo . And I posted the thread. Its an indie title which is identical to ps4 version . So its not using any hardware power of xsx .
Agnostic2020
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Yea everyone jumped on him and as time passes it seems he was spot on.
Yep. This also calls into question Dusk Golems claims about PS5 and RE8. Nothing he said made any sense.
PS5 already already has 4K games
Easy to develop
More developers have PS5 dev kits than SX and for a longer time. Final dev kits too.
Either the information was outdated, developers were not using a complete version of the dev kit (which would match the info being from a long time ago and not new) or he was just trolling for Xbox. Which he kind of admitted actually.
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Coulomb_Barrier
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This guy was legit, theoretical tflops don't mean F all. What's more important is eliminating bottlenecks for efficiency. Graphics programmer BGS also said the same thing on here about PS5 and it's commitment to efficiency.
Kumomeme
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What to expect visually from FF16
however i assume FF16 would use UE4. But who know?
Matsuchezz
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if i am not mistaken duskgolem claims were all made up by him because he thought xsx was receiving a lot of shit and he did it to even the playfield. That is why he was removed as a mod in the era forum.
in reality i just want To know the price and where i can buy the damned thing PS5. But i am also waiting on the teardown and a few surprises from sony.
DarthFeanor
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5 months and we still have to rely on paper specs and of the record interviews.
The only "real" next gen title we have is Rachet and Clank 10 min gameplay. A game that we don't even know if it's coming out yearly next year.
For the first time I have to admit that Nvidia really has blown anything out of the park.
The only "real" next gen title we have is Rachet and Clank 10 min gameplay. A game that we don't even know if it's coming out yearly next year.
For the first time I have to admit that Nvidia really has blown anything out of the park.
Agnostic2020
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Ratchet is releasing by February 2020.
Nvidia is launching their gpus in 3 weeks. So we have to wait and see how sony and Ms do 3 weeks before launch
I keep telling you people that it's not completely weaker than Xbox SX GPU because the higher clock , PS5 will have the straight forward rendering advantage while Xbox SX will have the compute advantage. most games will not reach the limits of compute on these consoles.
Coreteks: Detailed video about why he think PS5 will be the better console because of the I/O & SSD
Lol, what makes you sure that the vast majority of the people think that the Xbox is uninteresting? This is one of the most fanatical bullshit ever heard. I don’t even have an Xbox but XSX looking much more interesting to me and to most of my friends who have been using PS consoles for years...www.neogaf.com
40 CU 9.75 TFLOPs RX 5700 XT vs 64 CU 12.6 TFLOPs RX Vega 64 ( Different architectures but probably the best way to compare PS5 & Xbox SX for now)
Why RX 5700 XT vs RX Vega 64 & not RX 590 vs RX Vega 64? My reason for this is because RX 590 is ROP limited with 32 ROPs while RX 5700 XT has the same 64 ROPs as the RX Vega 64. RX 5700 XT is a newer architecture & benefit from that but at the same time I'm comparing it to the RX Vega 64 &...
Told you fools
Men_in_Boxes
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So PS5 proven to be the superior hardware?
kretos
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GHG
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Nope, and he never said that.
It will be worth reading the OP.
It's not the hardware that is the most important thing, it's what you can actually extract from said hardware and how much work it requires to do so.
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BlueXImpulse
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The prophet.
Agnostic2020
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Reading it again , he told us about xbox api issues in March 2020. He also says ram is issue on xsx due to them trying to fit everything in the 10gb so they don't have to use the slower ram pool.
The man deserves an apology from many in this thread accusing him .
The man deserves an apology from many in this thread accusing him .
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building a console is all about compromises ... PS5 has them ..
mand them finding workarounds to not use the slower pool is not that weird .
Engineering is about problem solving . That’s why they use SFS /VRS and meshshaders ..
the slow pool is enough for CPU and other tasks .
So wanting to minimize use for tasks that need the fast pool is preferable. And seeing as MS is about software , it’s not that weird for them to tackle it this way ..
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Stiflers Mom
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I still think what we see at the moment is really the usual early gen shenanigans where hardware feels quite similar.
I remember when the PS3 whopped the 360ies ass with its exclusives at the end of that gen with its slight advantage due to the Cell BE.
Devs will get better and better getting the most out of the hardware.
Not now, but I think in 2 to 3 years we will start to see differences between PS5 and Series X.
I am not ready yet to eat that crow, you see... : D
I remember when the PS3 whopped the 360ies ass with its exclusives at the end of that gen with its slight advantage due to the Cell BE.
Devs will get better and better getting the most out of the hardware.
Not now, but I think in 2 to 3 years we will start to see differences between PS5 and Series X.
I am not ready yet to eat that crow, you see... : D
Bonfires Down
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Very interesting. So according to the guy the PS5 has quite a few advantages that make things easier for devs and improve performance.
- Higher clocks but fewer CUs speed up all aspects of the hardware and are easier to work with.
- API customized for the PS5 while MS uses a generalized DirectX.
- Unified RAM pool.
- Allows devs to shift power between CPU and GPU at will.
GHG
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Stiflers Mom
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Agnostic2020
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Yea and remember in March 2020 no one was even hinting xsx has bad api which we know now. He said it and he got called liar at that time for it .
Not sure why he is declared to have been spot on. I see he said that the PS5 would load games in “1 second” and we now know that the loading times are pretty much a wash across both consoles.
As for less CUs and higher clocks is better, that’s the opposite of what we see in the PC space, so again I’ll probably reserve judgment on that.
BlueXImpulse
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When we've seen loading times specifically optimized for PS first party, they have been close to a second from save to gameplay. Miles Morales is one such example.
The problem is, these consoles are not PCs, and they do not have the exact same architecture and are customized in unique ways.
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alucard0712_rus
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It's single-threaded vs multi-threaded.
Less CU is better if their frequency is higher. Whats the problem?
Md Ray
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Not really. Let's take GTX 970 and 980 for e.g.
GTX 970 has fewer CUDA cores than GTX 980, yet if you increase a 970's frequency to as high as it can go (or above 980's freq.) you get perf that's on par GTX 980 or sometimes higher or sometimes close to it, depending on the workload.
I suspect there's a reason why every new PC graphic card improves on the number of cores of its predecessor. It would be simpler for manufacturers to overclock the latest product and charge the customer for it.
Zheph
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For BC games or cross without much opti, now lets check Spiderman or Demon's Souls on PS5.
3rd party games don't have any loading optimisation on XSX/S either. Look, I think it's way too early to declare who has been wrong or right about performance predictions.
Let's enjoy all the games and wait for the tools and skills to grow into their maturity. There is great stuff across the board and I personallybought consoles.
bitbydeath
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I wouldn’t bank on it.
Direct X 12 Ultimate just released this year.
Direct X 13 is going to be years away, there aren’t even any hints of it being on the horizon.
People should just be happy that both are great machines.
Thirty7ven
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What does that mean exactly?
Is it the superior piece of console engineering? Yes, considering consoles are all about cutting costs while preserving performance in games. Just look at the example of cooling, MS took no chances with R&D and went straight for a vapor chamber, while Sony took those chances and developed a way to achieve the same performance of a vapor chamber through the use of liquid metal. Same performance at lower cost, sounds great doesn't it?
They have a smaller APU, yet they are delivering comparable performance. And when it comes to defining upgrades for devs, the CPU and the I/O, they excelled. The I/O is revolutionary (in this moment in time), and it even comes with the added bonus of freeing precious CPU cycles compared to its main competitor.
The writing was on the wall, from devs to the one or two only consistent insiders. Word is devs practically evangelize development on PS5 (Richard from DF), and contrary to forum dwellers beliefs.... no that doesn't just mean that "tools" are better.
Does any of this means the PS5 gpu is more performant than XSX? In some cases yes. It does do certain things better. But XSX GPU has more compute power and that won't go away.
More importantly for gamers though, Sony first party will continue to excel when compared to the rest of the industry, we get a console whose price starts at 399$ and is full blown next gen, and on top of that maybe because Sony could shave previous $ of the cost on the APU, we get a Dual Sense controller that is a PS5 standard.
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xHunter
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Dont you know? He posted 2 pictures of PS4 games in twitter, he is obviously a sony shill and the biggest fanboy. /s
Funny thing is someone actually wrote that.
Gediminas
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those loading times already could hit max what they can do with it on xbox.
yet, not the same with PS5 and exclusive games on PS5 or first party cross gen games which were optimize for PS5 gives you more than enough evidence to say it that there is plenty of power left.
Md Ray
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Yes, there are benefits to higher CUs/shaders cores as well. For Sony, going with a lower CU and higher frequency was most beneficial in a number of ways.
That's what they do with refreshes.
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