Alien Covenant Trailer Released
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moltonasty
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Loved Prometheus but that trailer was just ok for me, I expected better TBH. Still cautiously optimistic tho
This is the sequel to Prometheus. The planet in the movie is the Engineer home world.
Stairouais
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Holy shit that looks bad.
I feel like Ridley had the right idea with Prometheus, it just needed a better script. This looks like a re-hash of what we've already seen several times with the Alien moves. I would have rather seen a Prometheus 2 where the script could have been at the same level as the visuals and we got to see Rapace and Fassbender's head go on strange adventures.
Hopefully this movie packs some surprises and isn't as 'safe' as the trailer makes it look.
Hopefully this movie packs some surprises and isn't as 'safe' as the trailer makes it look.
neoism
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so wow i thought scott wasnt directing?
also did namois character get the axe or just replaced??
im sad if so i loooved prometheus, but this did look to samey!
Zombie James
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So they're back to doing whatever with that black stuff, except now it's an airborne spore? Um, ok. Trailer looked fine otherwise.
sunshine and gasoline
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Eh. Trailer didn't impress me at all. My already low expectations have sunk even further.
So it's retcon to Prometheus?
Trailer was badly edited. The cinematography didn't look that hot. I can't assume this will be any good.
Well there was a classic facehugger there also. Maybe the airborne stuff makes those zombies we saw in Prometheus.
Trailer was badly edited. The cinematography didn't look that hot. I can't assume this will be any good.
Well there was a classic facehugger there also. Maybe the airborne stuff makes those zombies we saw in Prometheus.
It's not a retcon, that just wrote out Rapace's terrible character. Everything in Prometheus still happened.
starchild excalibur
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Dunno how I feel about the trailer. I actually liked Prometheus more than most, but the film didn't live up to its terrific trailer. This trailer - as it is - is fine, but not especially compelling to me. It's a film that could go either way as far as I'm concerned.
Pretty sure Rapace is still in this
TheLostBigBoss
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Spoilers about her character
From what I've seen, she's not in the movie, she is dead by the time this crew finds her ship.
fierrotlepou
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I never thought I'd say this, but this looks bad. God dammit. What are they thinking? It's like Ridley borrowed scenes from typical Hollywood shitty slasher/horror movies. Ridley. The guy that made Alien and Blade Runner. What's going on?
The Main Event
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Looks like some random European horror flick (well except for some gorgeous landscapes).
Not feeling it.
Not feeling it.
These movies have just seemed so unambitious for what the back story of the xenomorphs and space jockey could have been. Prometheus was one human crew and an engineer. This movie is a planet with a bunch of humans and aliens running around. Why not visit a collapsing galactic society as their experiment literally eats them from the inside and they make their last stand? That's the alien prequels I was expecting.
Vigilant Walrus
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Why? I don't think everything he says is amazing, but I see value in a lot of his points. I think he make some astute observations. You come off as pretentious if your aim is to dispel something by loosely referencing the dislike of said thing because you know somebody. I'd rather here your opinion on why his videos are full of shit. Nobody really gets anything useful out of you pointing out that you know someone who doesn't like something.
I'm not claiming anything on the movie besides the trailer. I'm commenting on the trailer and the impression it leaves on me as a viewer. It is made to gauge interest in the full movie, and as a communication promotion cut, it leaves a bad impression.
I'm very open to that the film has more to it. But there is a trend in Hollywood with film trailers that spoil the entire film chronologically. What we see from the trailer is cuts from pre (landing)- character establishment of 5-10 characters, exploration on a uncharted world- Key plot moment when the face hugger jumps on a crew member, followed by lots of random cuts back on the vessel with actors running around screaming. Interim quick cuts of the entire ship being on fire, so based on this I think it's safe to say:
30-45 minutes of character building, and establishing the mission. character refusal, resisting the call to action, dilemmas. piquing questions and subplots as to what, how and why. Establishes that only jumping in and exploring can they find out the truth.
30-45 minutes in the second act of the acual exploration of land, as the crew struggles and the signature alien begins to creep in.
30 minute; in the last act it's just the crew trying to survive and the audience having to guess which one survives.
If you propose that there is a lot of different things to do it (I've not read the spoilers) that would make me happy, because the trailer seems like a run of the mill. It would make me happy if what we saw in the trailer is the earlier parts of the film. Like if they could through all of this in the first 30 minites, because we've seen all of this before. That would be a lot more interesting. What happens then?
A quick google search shows that this particular guy has a film degree, produced videos for MSNBC, hosted a show on The Discovery Channel digital site and writes as well.
TheLostBigBoss
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This is the fallacy of a lot of good sci-fi, the need to explain history and backstory.
We saw it in Mass Effect with literally explaining the goals of the Rapers, and even their origins. We saw it in Halo with the insane history 343i wrote up about the Forerunner-Human war and how the Flood came into existence.
And now this where we see just what exactly the Space Jockeys are, how the Xenomorphs are created and all the other really interesting stuff that will only disappoint because the mystery was all the held it together.
Never explain space magic or space gods, the explanation is never interesting and the mystery is all most people care about for the set up of having your characters react to things they have little way of comprehending (IE the entire reason why Alien was so fucking good)
How about this?
1) I know a bunch of people who write professionally. I trust their opinions.
2) It's Sunday morning and I got about 4 hours of sleep.
Offering up a word of warning to folks that the videos aren't all that doesn't seem like a problem to me. Pretension is unwarranted self-importance. There's no self-importance here. Just me sayin some folks I trust don't like the video you linked, and they're qualified, so that may be worth taking into consideration. I'm qualified too, but I didn't bring that up because we don't need to get into that. I'm not interested in derailing the thread for a lengthy dissertation on why that is, especially when I've had no coffee.
Simply put, his thesis is wrong.
Yup. Space Jockeys were way more interesting when all we had was a corpse with a ship full of eggs that resulted in an insane monster. Every film that has followed and attempted to explain or make aliens more complex has made them less interesting as a result. The mystique is a big part of this as well.
I think you can do motives well, though. Take a look at Revelation Space. Its Wolves are a big inspiration for the Reapers (Mass Effect is basically a retelling of Revelation Space, right down to basic plot points and proper nouns), and the Wolves are basically a post-singularity intelligence dedicated to preventing total galactic extinction with the Andromeda and Milky Way galaxies collide in a few million years or whatever.
Galactic Specter
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The trailer made the film come across as generic but I'm still interested to see how this movie turns out following Prometheus which I actually liked even if with its problems. I don't know why people are saying Scott is throwing Prometheus out of the equation when David is clearly in this movie up to who knows what.
Anyway, what's up with that Alien Universe thing at the end?
Anyway, what's up with that Alien Universe thing at the end?
Shaw is in it too.
It works if the writing is good. The forerunner books for Halo were great. That backstory added a lot to the universe and wasn't disappointing at all.
Mass Effect struggled with explaining the reapers because they didn't have a reason or origin for them at the start of the series and just pulled one out of their butts.
Alien could have done something really interesting with their back story. Imagine if the crew from prometheus ended up abducted on an engineer world that was trying to contain the first xenomorph creations. That is a far more interesting idea then space jesuswe got. If you do the back story of mystery creatures, you just have to be sure its a good one and not just retreading the same movies you already made.
ArkkAngel007
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As Prometheus isn't Alien and there's canon material outside of the series (Alien Isolation and maybe some of the recent novels), I suppose they are brining it all together under a Universe banner like all the cool kids want to do these days.
I really don't get all the heavy backlash against the trailer. Seems like a combination of people wanting nothing to do with Prometheus and taking the leaks into this. Trailer itself seemed fine. Not as mysterious and servicey as the Prometheus one, but it seemed solid on its own.
Only problem now is how do you make a full trailer later without showing much else.
BattleMonkey
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Dunno, outside the shit music, looked alright. As long as it maybe somehow fixes or makes sense of Prometheus maybe
glaringradio
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I mean the imdb summary for the film doesn't inspire much hope:
"The crew of the colony ship Covenant discover what they think is an uncharted paradise, but it is actually a dark, dangerous world, whose sole inhabitant is the synthetic David, survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition."
Trailer looked good up until that absolutely fucking pish shower scene. Seriously, someone gets murdered during shower sex... directed by Ridley Scott.
"The crew of the colony ship Covenant discover what they think is an uncharted paradise, but it is actually a dark, dangerous world, whose sole inhabitant is the synthetic David, survivor of the doomed Prometheus expedition."
Trailer looked good up until that absolutely fucking pish shower scene. Seriously, someone gets murdered during shower sex... directed by Ridley Scott.
CassidyIzABeast
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The Alien prequel trilogy - 3 movies with terrible answers to questions you really didn't need answered.
The derelict ship was the Alien equivalent of the Millennium Falcon this whole time folks. Just some ship the survivors hop on to escape a planet only to land it somewhere else and have more bad shit happen.
Excellent stuff Ridley.
As far as the actual trailer goes it didn't do anything for me. Visually there's nothing interesting going on like there was with the first Prometheus trailers. Prometheus trailers gave me that "Okay, this could be something special" feel while this just looks like an Alien sequel that Fox would have eventually produced if Scott dropped out of the project back in 2012.
The derelict ship was the Alien equivalent of the Millennium Falcon this whole time folks. Just some ship the survivors hop on to escape a planet only to land it somewhere else and have more bad shit happen.
Oh, and just to make sure this franchise is as small as possible, an android created the xenomorphs and fighting xenos is a Ripley family birthright now.
Excellent stuff Ridley.
As far as the actual trailer goes it didn't do anything for me. Visually there's nothing interesting going on like there was with the first Prometheus trailers. Prometheus trailers gave me that "Okay, this could be something special" feel while this just looks like an Alien sequel that Fox would have eventually produced if Scott dropped out of the project back in 2012.
TheLostBigBoss
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The EU in Halo is by far some of the dumbest shit I've ever read.
The Flood exist because space faring humans wanted cute little fashion pets.
Yes, somebody green lighted that to explain how the Flood infested the galaxy before Halo 1
The Martian says hi? Seriously sometimes you people make me shake my head. Ridley Scott is a fine director.
Galactic Specter
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I wonder if Shane Black's Predator movie will take place in the Alien Universe as well, Fox probably wants it to.
ronaldthump
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Surprised by the hate for it TBH ITT
Was terribly excited for the trailer and all my friends IRL also reacted super +ve to it.
Was wondering where naomi rapace was in this and then I thought, well, her story - well, I rather this.
May can't come soon enough
Was terribly excited for the trailer and all my friends IRL also reacted super +ve to it.
Was wondering where naomi rapace was in this and then I thought, well, her story - well, I rather this.
May can't come soon enough
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Deleted member 80556
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That was a bad trailer. Specially the last scene. Damn.
Appealing to authority can be considered a logical fallacy, y'know.
Appealing to authority can be considered a logical fallacy, y'know.
Dunno, it feels like it exists solely for the sake of having a nice shocking scene. Of course it's hard to say since it's just a trailer.
Not the same droid.
matrixman92
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Was going good up until the shower scene. That part was incredibly stupid and B-movie tier
I couldn't put my finger on it before, but yes, that's exactly what it looks like from this trailer.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Yea it's a bummer for me... doesn't seem nearly as deep or lore expanding/thought provoking or have as much of an alien sense of exploration that Promethues attempted.
As I suspected, film has an identity crisis.
People who want another Alien may really like it though
nelsonroyale
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I am not sure why they are so coy showing the Aliens...not a big surprise for a series that has been around for 30 years...Regardless of prequel status.
Urban Viking
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I don't quite follow that logic. If you tell a cook his soup is bad/mediocre because it's too salty, he won't really refute that point by saying 'not true, I do this professionally'. I mean, Nerdwriter's videos are analyses and opinions, not tutorials on how to write a proper script.
my problem with all of this stuff is that it fills in the biggest questions in alien in a really.......lame? way. like the big alien looking guy from the space ship is actually...a big blue human in a suit! they also made humans, probably!
it's MGS4 levels of bad fanservice backstory. sometimes the questions really are better left unanswered.
it's MGS4 levels of bad fanservice backstory. sometimes the questions really are better left unanswered.
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