Nydius
Member
Fixed that for you.
Until I have the same rights with digital only licenses, they can take their dystopian digital only future of complete control and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.
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"Always Online" hasn't been an issue for me in the last 10 years, why are people still complaining?
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Until I have the same rights with digital only licenses, they can take their dystopian digital only future of complete control and shove it where the sun doesn’t shine.
Fortress of Regrets
Member
I have uncapped gigabit internet and I haven't experienced an outage in years if not a decade or more. I still hate and reject always online garbage.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
It's coming. It's still playable online currently I think..
Sleepwalker
Member
Actually, some games have modes that are only available on the unpatched version that comes with the disc print, such as the last guardian 60fps mode and I believe
Vick
said something about the unpatched PS5 witcher 3 version.
LRKD
Member
You are ignoring real issues, and i don't think you actually care about them even if people brought them up. But in good faith here are 3 very good, very real issues with always online.
1, every always online game has a finite life.
https://www.pcgamer.com/mmo-graveyard/
2. constant updates, and server maintenance interrupting game flow.
FFXIV has server maintenance quite often. DBD updates used to take literal hours to update because of the way they structured the updates.
3. updates 'ruining' game balance or enjoyment.
Hunt Showdown update. Overwatch 1 -> 2. The complete removal of the first 2 years of Destiny 2 content.
1, every always online game has a finite life.
https://www.pcgamer.com/mmo-graveyard/
2. constant updates, and server maintenance interrupting game flow.
FFXIV has server maintenance quite often. DBD updates used to take literal hours to update because of the way they structured the updates.
3. updates 'ruining' game balance or enjoyment.
Hunt Showdown update. Overwatch 1 -> 2. The complete removal of the first 2 years of Destiny 2 content.
TheBreezyBB
Member
Not everyone have the same connection you do.
Let me tell you one thing though, internet will go down at some point.
I worked as customer service support for 2 years for a multi-billion company, and you will be surprised how many have service issues
Let me tell you one thing though, internet will go down at some point.
I worked as customer service support for 2 years for a multi-billion company, and you will be surprised how many have service issues
Arachnid
Member
This and what happens when servers go offline in a decade?
Am I going to lose all my HITMAN progress when they force the shift to offline? Because for some reason, they made progression seperate for both of those. Like LRKD said above, every online game has a finite life. Meanwhile, I can and do still plug in my OG Xbox to play Silent Hill 2 once a year.
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sachos
Member
Because shit like this https://www.theverge.com/2022/3/17/22983882/ps5-gran-turismo-7-update-1-0-7-server-outage-hours or the Xbox BC game DRM fiasco that happened a couple of years ago? I dont remember. The one were people were having trouble playing their games offline. Anyone remember when that was?
Vick
Gold Member
Yep, not just Last Guardian same for AC Unity, for instance, and Arkham City. I'm sure some others as well.Actually, some games have modes that are only available on the unpatched version that comes with the disc print, such as the last guardian 60fps mode and I believe
Witcher 3 on unpatched disc version is the only one I'll play on Console, for reasons explained here:
That's because you reeeally have to get used to this game controls/visual feedback, as is what it is.
Nothing to do with the Next-Gen Patch though, Performance Mode on PS5 was fucking superb (at least launch/physical version).
All gameplay Performance Mode, rock solid 60fps (Witcher senses in Novigrad aside):
Do it man.
The changing vegetation glitch would still be there, maybe less annoying because I got used to it quickly, but at least it features an absolutely impeccable LOD not found anywhere else. All those shadows you see in the infinite distance, from little geometry's to whole building's, on the X version (4.00) would appear right in front of the player and disappear after a few steps.
Here's an example I made of the never changing LOD no matter how far:
May be of interest to some they also later "fixed" something they shouldn't have. lol
RDR2 is an entirely different game in version 1.00 on disc, and by far and away the best one by a country mile:
The only real Red Dead Redemption 2.
Updated version looks infinitely worse to my eyes and just feels intrinsically different. I have thousands of hours on this game, but all rigorously on version 1.00 because the pop-In, gamey lighting, cheap AO, missing light sources and many other differences just translate into a drastically different and inferior experience in every visual facet.
And this naturally also affects the PC version, for starters AO is simply unmatched however mostly noticed on character faces in still comparisons (the lack of screen space artifacts can only be appreaciated in motion):
And in general the unique pre-rendered quality just isn't there anymore.
And what's possibly worse is draw distance (also affecting PC max settings), LOD management is simply jaw dropping in 1.00 with practically non-existent pop-in, when any version after display tons of missing trees/shadows all over the place.
Look behind the characters in the distance, it's a massive downgrade:
Red Dead Redemption 2 version 1.00 on One/Series X is still the most impressive game ever made. But that version in general is, to the point even the not native resolution PS4 Pro version is impressive:
Additionally, on 1.00 you can have a Turkoman with Arthur, along with many other things necessary for a perfect Chapter 2 save.
This version is the reason why I never wanted a 60fps patch, but demand instead a proper and completely restored current gen version, not dissimilar to the one GTA V received.
And not just visually (cherry on top One X/Series X runs at native 4K), but also as a game, if you like to play as Arthur and especially in Chapter 2.
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nkarafo
Member
OP your post reads like this:
"I don't have issues others have, don't care i have mine, mine works, mine, mine ,mine, i'm the main character on this earth"
Well, not everyone is you.
Also, even when it works, having an extra dependency to do something always sucks. Because it's an extra dependency that might go wrong or not.
Updating games is great and all but you can always do them when you decide to connect to the internet. It doesn't mean you have to be connected to PLAY.
Anyway, set a reminder and bump your own thread in 10 years from now, to see if something changed. Do all your games work now? Maybe in 10 years from then? Maybe something will go wrong like something minor up to you losing access to all your games?
Who knows what will happen. Since you don't have control over your games, anything is on the table.
Online only means you simply have access to your library. But you don't really own your games.
"I don't have issues others have, don't care i have mine, mine works, mine, mine ,mine, i'm the main character on this earth"
Well, not everyone is you.
Also, even when it works, having an extra dependency to do something always sucks. Because it's an extra dependency that might go wrong or not.
Updating games is great and all but you can always do them when you decide to connect to the internet. It doesn't mean you have to be connected to PLAY.
Anyway, set a reminder and bump your own thread in 10 years from now, to see if something changed. Do all your games work now? Maybe in 10 years from then? Maybe something will go wrong like something minor up to you losing access to all your games?
Who knows what will happen. Since you don't have control over your games, anything is on the table.
Online only means you simply have access to your library. But you don't really own your games.
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
A man does not depend on the Internet connection, in caves and in war, that was not needed... Now children if they do not have Internet they go crazy.
nkarafo
Member
Also, what a shitty analogy.
A fridge needs to be always ON (otherwise your food will spoil) using electricity only, It doesn't need the internet on top of that.
You know, like how consoles also use electricity and don't really need the internet.
You are not making any sense, this is the worst OP in a long time.
nkarafo
Member
Shifty1897
Member
Not everyone lives in a city of 1.6 million people (assuming your profile is still accurate) where reliable Internet available.
ZoukGalaxy
Member
BREAKING NEWS: not everyone is you
I mean, WOW, what a extremely narrow and selfish POV.
BONUS: There is a thing called "game preservation"
BONUS': I don't get why poor people are poor, just buy some money ?
I mean, WOW, what a extremely narrow and selfish POV.
BONUS: There is a thing called "game preservation"
BONUS': I don't get why poor people are poor, just buy some money ?
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March Climber
Member
Sorry, I meant link me to the news of the official patch. I can’t seem to find it.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
BlackTron
Member
thegame983
Member
What's in it for me?
Laptop1991
Member
Either i own my games and can play them without the need for the internet whenever i want or i don't buy them, i have had my internet go down at times also and i don't support corporate greed and control either, i will always be against permanent online.
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Your thread title is the epitome of entitlement. Let me re-write it for you:
"Because "I" have no issue with always online, YOU should also have no issue with always online."
Funny thing is, I ALSO have no issue with always online - for the most part. But I certainly wouldn't tell everyone else they should have no issue, either.
Wtf has this got to do with sony?
OP doesn't mention anyone and this is true for everyone and digital games, no?
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Bojji
Member
Wtf has this got to do with sony?
OP doesn't mention anyonr and this is true for everyone and digital games, no?
This is true for every company that sells games tied to your account, Sony was just example.
TwiztidElf
Member
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm done with trying to explain consumers loss of rights to people.
If people like the OP don't get it by now, I don't think they ever will.
Just let this shitshow reach its inevitable conclusion, and watch these morons start moaning when the reality comes and slaps them in the face.
aka just watch the world burn.
OP, if you really want to understand, I'll just refer you to Louis Rossmanns YouTube channel. Get yourself an education.
www.youtube.com
If people like the OP don't get it by now, I don't think they ever will.
Just let this shitshow reach its inevitable conclusion, and watch these morons start moaning when the reality comes and slaps them in the face.
aka just watch the world burn.
OP, if you really want to understand, I'll just refer you to Louis Rossmanns YouTube channel. Get yourself an education.
Louis Rossmann
Contact: youtube@rossmanngroup.com email me here & I'll read it!! email me elsewhere & I report it as spam. I started as a studio repair technician at Avatar & started a Macbook component level logic board repair business. This channel shows repair & data recovery work & shows how to perform...
www.youtube.com
Elfstar
Member
Consumer rights??? But...I have to get up and change disks...ughhhhhhI don't know about anyone else, but I'm done with trying to explain consumers loss of rights to people.
If people like the OP don't get it by now, I don't think they ever will.
Just let this shitshow reach its inevitable conclusion, and watch these morons start moaning when the reality comes and slaps them in the face.
aka just watch the world burn.
OP, if you really want to understand, I'll just refer you to Louis Rossmanns YouTube channel. Get yourself an education.
Louis Rossmann
Contact: youtube@rossmanngroup.com email me here & I'll read it!! email me elsewhere & I report it as spam. I started as a studio repair technician at Avatar & started a Macbook component level logic board repair business. This channel shows repair & data recovery work & shows how to perform...
Dr.Morris79
Member
Bojji
Member
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
killatopak
Gold Member
I have a house, why are these homeless people complaining?
Inviusx
Member
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm done with trying to explain consumers loss of rights to people.
If people like the OP don't get it by now, I don't think they ever will.
Just let this shitshow reach its inevitable conclusion, and watch these morons start moaning when the reality comes and slaps them in the face.
aka just watch the world burn.
OP, if you really want to understand, I'll just refer you to Louis Rossmanns YouTube channel. Get yourself an education.
Louis Rossmann
Contact: youtube@rossmanngroup.com email me here & I'll read it!! email me elsewhere & I report it as spam. I started as a studio repair technician at Avatar & started a Macbook component level logic board repair business. This channel shows repair & data recovery work & shows how to perform...
Isn't the ultimate right as a consumer having the choice to be informed about a product and then choosing if you want to purchase it or not?
Always online Isn't a hidden "gotcha" that you only find out about upon purchase, it's labelled on the box and a quick Google also confirms it as well.
A manufacturer makes a product and the consumer gets to choose if they want to purchase it or not, that's their right, but it's also their responsibility to be an informed consumer as well.
People may not like the precedent that "always online" sets but it's not going anywhere.
Buy games that align with your morals, avoid games that don't but definitely don't buy games that are always online and then complain about it after the fact, that's the worst of both worlds.
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StereoVsn
Member
Hell, just recently there was an issue with Xbox One OG consoles that haven’t been patched or the ones that have been reset. MS messed up some shit on their back end so you couldn’t onboard Xbox One devices manufactured before particular date.
Edit: The above is the reason I very much dislike PS5 Slim/Pro disk drive being an attachment as it has to be registered… online before it functions.
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H From Steps
Member
As a person who likes to go camping a lot and bring their system with them. Always online can eat a dick lol
unlurkified
Member
Glad to see Gaffers coming in with all the right arguments and examples. I’d say it comes to down to the issue of control/ownership.
Sleepwalker
Member
I remember now! Youre the reason I own a disc copy of RDR2 for my XSX.
justiceiro
Marlboro: Other M
The fact that you think 10 years is enough long time to believe it will "never" be a problem shows how shortsighted you are regarding lasting rights and ownership.
