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Amazon.com - PS5: 153K, Switch: 56K, Xbox: 32K, PSVR2 23K

Fess

Member
Yeah, but then we have sales data that show there's almost no interest in Xbox left.
Even the US market is taking a complete nosedive.
So? Their market in retail is kinda dead but if there is a MS published or exclusive game that you really want to play you still need something more than only a PS5, unless it’s one of the few ported games. That’s just how it is. No point claiming otherwise.

Or you can have fun playing the salty waiting game. Been there done that. I’m sure you have noticed that The Salty Wait for Stalker 2 ™ is already out. And The Salty Wait on Indiana Jones ™ is releasing soon, just a couple more days now.
 

Killjoy-NL

Banned
So? Their market in retail is kinda dead but if there is a MS published or exclusive game that you really want to play you still need something more than only a PS5, unless it’s one of the few ported games. That’s just how it is. No point claiming otherwise.

Or you can have fun playing the salty waiting game. Been there done that. I’m sure you have noticed that The Salty Wait for Stalker 2 ™ is already out. And The Salty Wait on Indiana Jones ™ is releasing soon, just a couple more days now.
Nobody at all is playing the salty waiting game though.
 

sachos

Member
PSVR2 almost reaching Xbox sales is insane wtf. They trully are in their last legs, and people seriously want to say that games are not important.
You think this is not the result of people getting the word that Playstation will also play Xbox games moving forward?
 
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PSVR2 almost reaching Xbox sales is insane wtf. They are trully are in their last legs, and people seriously want to say that games are not important.
You think this is not the result of people getting the word that Playstation will also play Xbox games moving forward?
Many disagree but personally I agree with your statement. Games matter the most. The reason why Sony was able to come back during ps3 days and win the ps4 gen so handily is because of them having excellent exclusives. Ps5 is repeating the benefit of the groundwork laid during ps3 and ps4 gen.

Xbox has been struggling due to not having system seller exclusives, them bringing their games to pc and now ps5 is just laying the foundation for their decline.

Personally, I feel that Sony has to be careful as well about brining their games to pc and overall relaxing on exclusives. Just like ps3 and Xbox currently, their situation can change anytime.
 

onQ123

Member
PSVR2 almost reaching Xbox sales is insane wtf. They are trully are in their last legs, and people seriously want to say that games are not important.
You think this is not the result of people getting the word that Playstation will also play Xbox games moving forward?

This would be happening even if Xbox games wasn't coming to PS5 the biggest difference would be the games completely flopping with no way of making the money back.

'Remember the Storm '
 
So, doesn't look like CoD on GPU has done much to turn around console sales. So I wonder what its done for subs. Maybe move to higher tiers for existing and new growth PC side? I know I'm permanently out once my British telecoms freebie ends summer next year.

Probably not much. GP relies on the console to really grow. PC gamers will hop in and out of GP because they prefer Steam overall. This was never a move meant to increase console sales though that ship has sailed. MS isn't even trying to compete in that space anymore. It was to get more GP subs but we already know sub services just aren't growing the way they used to and people are tired of paying for everything monthly.
 

Klayzer

Member
because 2024 for PS5 was bad.
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You are wrong. They’ve had $50 discounts for weeks and $75 on black friday.
I didn’t feel like $50 off with no included games or subs was a “good deal”.

I’d want that $75 off or 50 off and a few games. I saw lots of series s deals but very few god series x deais other than the Best Buy one.
 
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Amazon USA (November)

Hardware:

#12 - PS5 slim
#27 - PS5 Digital slim
#31 - PS5 - Fortnite bundle (digital)
#34 - Playstation Portal
#48 - PS VR2
#57 - PS5 Pro
#87 - PS5 - Fortnite bundle (disc edition)
#94 - PS5 Digital (NBA 2k25 edition)

No Switch or Xbox consoles in sight inside the top 100...while PS5 had 6 skus...plus Portal and VR2.

Also...this was funny:
#17 - Gamepass Ultimate (1 month) for 15 bucks

this selling less units than one of the PS5s skus is hilarious to me, specially in november and just one month after COD debuted. People really don't want to stay on gamepass for long. No matter how much they want this to be the netflix of gaming...it will never get there.

Seems like PS5 will be carrying this black friday and christmas now in december.
Would be absolutely funny if Sony gets to 100 m ps5 consoles sold and the mass majority are only interested in 3rd party games.
 

onQ123

Member
True but i feel that "Business Update" stream was the start of the accelerated downward spiral.


It may seem that way but it was over for Xbox Series way before that & I knew they was back in the Xbox OG situation when Phil started talking about the $200 hit they were taking on Series consoles all while PlayStation was going for the kill with the increased supply.

Xbox did not want to sell Series X & when the Series S sales slowed down it was a grim situation.

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Post in thread 'NPD December 2022 and for the year 2022: #1 MW2 #2 Pokemon #3 God of War; NSW #1 Units (PS5 #2) PS5 #1 Revenue (NSW #2)' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/npd-...-2-ps5-1-revenue-nsw-2.1650121/post-267415209

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Post in thread 'In the event that PS5 Pro does release in 2024 but there is no new Xbox Series console because there is already Series S & X' https://www.neogaf.com/threads/in-t...-is-already-series-s-x.1654173/post-268253214
 

KungFucius

King Snowflake
I forgot that this November not only black friday happened but also PS5 Pro. This will be a huge month for PS5. Probably bigger than last november.
But most Pro sales are not to people who didn't have PS5 already so the only way the install base increases is if people jump in by buying the used PS5s people sell after upgrading.
 
But most Pro sales are not to people who didn't have PS5 already so the only way the install base increases is if people jump in by buying the used PS5s people sell after upgrading.
I'm talking about hardware sales not install base. November will be huge for PS5. Wouldn't be surprised if it surpasses 1.5M in the USA alone.

About the userbase, most of those 1.5M will be new users either for the ecosystem or from the PS4 so Sony always wins in the end.
 

Astray

Member
True but i feel that "Business Update" stream was the start of the accelerated downward spiral.
Nah.

Believe it or not, that spiral started before the business update, right after Microsoft finalized the ABK takeover.

In Nov 2023, Series S consoles were going as low as $150 with no takers. Series X reached $350 with no takers either. Retailers were clearly pissed and wanted MS to come in and release some marketing funds to liquidate stock.

The Business Update happened in Feb this year.
 
Nah.

Believe it or not, that spiral started before the business update, right after Microsoft finalized the ABK takeover.

In Nov 2023, Series S consoles were going as low as $150 with no takers. Series X reached $350 with no takers either. Retailers were clearly pissed and wanted MS to come in and release some marketing funds to liquidate stock.

The Business Update happened in Feb this year.
I feel starfield was the straw that broke camels back. They clearly expected starfield to perform far better than it did, although personally I feel it's stupid to place so much hope on any game. Starfield, for all its fault, performed well commercially. The main issue is with expectations and ms seems to be falling in line with square when it comes to that.

That, and as you mentioned the extreme discount and how it didn't move as much units as it should, clearly changed things within ms. The market decline this year just served as fuel to fire along with the buyout of Activision.

Also makes me wonder if there was some data that Activision had that caused ms to change course so quickly b
 

Astray

Member
I feel starfield was the straw that broke camels back. They clearly expected starfield to perform far better than it did, although personally I feel it's stupid to place so much hope on any game. Starfield, for all its fault, performed well commercially. The main issue is with expectations and ms seems to be falling in line with square when it comes to that.

That, and as you mentioned the extreme discount and how it didn't move as much units as it should, clearly changed things within ms. The market decline this year just served as fuel to fire along with the buyout of Activision.

Also makes me wonder if there was some data that Activision had that caused ms to change course so quickly b
Starfield and Redfall before it were clearly tests by MS to see if taking big AAA games exclusive was gonna drive adoption of their consoles. That didn't materialize for multiple reasons though (Redfall was clearly rushed out and unfinished, Starfield was more complete but had scope and design issues imo).

I think the bigger reason is people just don't want to buy into the Xbox brand anymore. The brand has not really built a core identity in the market that can build the fanbase up over time.

Like in the early 360 days the identity became clear: Strong 3rd party exclusives (basically the Playstation playbook) and a specific focus on high-octane shooters coupled with a strong encompassing service. That was something they could build on, but they just completely pivoted to chasing Nintendo's casuals-oriented success before cementing their newfound identity.

You look at a lot of the early Xbox One launch slate and a lot of it was just some guy ticking boxes for each big genre.

Meanwhile Sony refocused on high-quality storytelling in AAA 3rd person singleplayer games of all kinds. And the rest is known.
 
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onQ123

Member
Nah.

Believe it or not, that spiral started before the business update, right after Microsoft finalized the ABK takeover.

In Nov 2023, Series S consoles were going as low as $150 with no takers. Series X reached $350 with no takers either. Retailers were clearly pissed and wanted MS to come in and release some marketing funds to liquidate stock.

The Business Update happened in Feb this year.
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MarkMe2525

Banned
Quest 3 works way better as standalone MR-platform than a PCVR headsets. I use both and I vastly prefer PSVR2 as a PC accessory. I’d say both helmets got their kinks with Windows, but PSVR2 offers a clean video signal output and not fighting for CPU resources or relying on poor video transcoding. I don’t care about wireless too, AirLink was never reliable for me and most of my PCVR games are static cockpit simulators.
AirLink is trash. There is Virtual Desktop as an option, and it's perfect. No hyperbole, it's perfect, in my experience.

Post sounds familiar lol
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Dude.... I can't say I'm surprised
 
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jm89

Member

Humdinger

Gold Member
So? Their market in retail is kinda dead but if there is a MS published or exclusive game that you really want to play you still need something more than only a PS5, unless it’s one of the few ported games. That’s just how it is. No point claiming otherwise.

I'm not sure why you'd respond "So?" to his statement about US sales taking a nose dive. The US has always been their strongest market. If US sales are tanking, that is a very bad sign.

Most people who wanted badly to play MS backcatalog games have already bought an Xbox, because those games came out years ago. Not many of them would be new customers. New customers would be reeled in by new exclusives, and there's the rub. A lot of those new exclusives seem to be headed to PS5.

Or you can have fun playing the salty waiting game. Been there done that. I’m sure you have noticed that The Salty Wait for Stalker 2 ™ is already out. And The Salty Wait on Indiana Jones ™ is releasing soon, just a couple more days now.

I don't know any PS5-only owners who are "salty" about having to wait 3 months for Indiana Jones to appear on their console. They are happy it's coming. Plenty to play in the meantime.
 

Fess

Member
I'm not sure why you'd respond "So?" to his statement about US sales taking a nose dive.
Because he started talking about sales and word on the street or whatever as if that would change that right now there is only a handful of ports to PS5, the rest you have to wait for or might not even come at all.
The future may be different but that goes for any platform. Now when people are starting to play Indiana Jones we can see that PS5 is clearly not the solution for Microsoft’s games. Same thing with Stalker 2. If any of it leads to more sold Xboxes or more people building PCs remains to be seen.
 
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mckmas8808

Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I don't know any PS5-only owners who are "salty" about having to wait 3 months for Indiana Jones to appear on their console. They are happy it's coming. Plenty to play in the meantime.

Yeah, I'm excited that Indy is scoring well. Makes waiting until March or April must easier.
 

Zacfoldor

Member
On Amazon Brazil:

PS5 Slim Digital: 20000
PS5 Slim Disk: 8000
PS5 Pro: 600

Note: in the last week PS5 was sold with a big discount in many retailers, in fact, Amazon had the biggest price among all retailers. Probably sold more in others retailers like Kabum, Shopee and Mercado Livre.

PS5 sell really well here in Brazil, despite the broken economy.
Good on Brazil. They always know the good shit.
 

Humdinger

Gold Member
Yeah, I'm excited that Indy is scoring well. Makes waiting until March or April must easier.

I'll probably wait longer. I don't usually play a game at release, unless I'm frothing at the mouth to get it. With SP games, the experience is pretty much the same a year later (unlike online MP games). Cheaper, too. And there are some parts about Indy I'm unsure of (heavy stealth & melee combat focus isn't usually my thing).
 

yurinka

Member



Xbox estimates for November: just 32,000 units sold on Amazon. Even with Black Ops 6 on Game Pass, the Series X|S lags behind PS5 (153K) and Switch (56K).

What’s holding Xbox back? Lack of exclusives, weaker hardware perception, or marketing issues? Let’s discuss!

In recent weeks I saw people posting supposed sales numbers from Amazon. What is the source of these numbers?

As far as I know Amazon doesn't share sales numbers, so they are simply made out numbers by a random internet user.
 

onQ123

Member
In recent weeks I saw people posting supposed sales numbers from Amazon. What is the source of these numbers?

As far as I know Amazon doesn't share sales numbers, so they are simply made out numbers by a random internet user.


They use the sold in the last month numbers from Amazon to make estimated guesses
 
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