mckmas8808
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It's still crazy to think the PS5 might sell 1.5 million consoles in November.
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Amazon.com - PS5: 153K, Switch: 56K, Xbox: 32K, PSVR2 23K
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Synastry
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I remember when we used to get who won black Friday just days after now nothing I miss those days.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
That's when they would tell us Xbox won then the full numbers come out & PlayStation still be ahead lolI remember when we used to get who won black Friday just days after now nothing I miss those days.
Humdinger
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You seem to think MS isn't going to port many of its future exclusives to PS. Am I reading you right? If so, I'll just say that multiple signs seem to point the other way - to MS sending most of its future exclusives to PS. We've gone over the reasons for that ad nauseum, so I won't belabor it.
Not sure what you mean by that. Why would lots of extra money in their pockets not be a "solution" for MS? Your last sentence suggests that you think MS expects porting exclusives to PS will result in greater Xbox console sales? But that's backwards. MS understands that porting exclusives will result in fewer Xbox console sales. They're willing to make that tradeoff.
Klayzer
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A certain banned member, would jump the gun every year with said article.
Fess
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You’re talking about the future, it can be whatever. I’m talking about how things are now, and then the fact shows that there is only a handful of ports and no Indiana Jones and Stalker 2 on PS5. Go play a trailer on Youtube, that’s what you’re getting. It’s like buying a PC to play Stellar Blade and FF7 Rebirth. Have fun!
Ready Eddie?
Humdinger
Gold Member
But most people don't make their console purchase decisions based only on the present moment. They anticipate the future and take that into account. And most people know which way the wind is blowing.
You say "the future can be whatever," but no, the future is pretty clear. MS will be sending most of their future exclusives to Playstation (not all, necessarily, but most). That is part of why Xbox sales are declining. No real mystery there.
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ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
Right? I mean, DLSS just came out and it's so much better than PSSR!
Never would have imagined that!
DLSS didn't just came out.
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Klayzer
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Lol. Like clockwork. After black Friday, he would post an Xbox won article.Ready Eddie?
Lol I wouldn't be surprised if he is posting in this thread right now under a few Alt Accounts
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Fess
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Until a game can be accessed elsewhere and fomo kicks in… Then they want to live in the present. That’s why platform exclusivity always bring in noise and why timed exclusivity and early access exist, the publishers knows that it works. And the market for Xbox can be whatever the reality is still that if you’re on PS5 only and plan to play Microsoft titles you’ll have a less exciting time living in the present. Today you have to deal with delays and there is uncertainty of future ports even coming. And by the time you get to play something LTTP the story might’ve been spoiled. But hey maybe you’ll play a better version later on. Or maybe you’ll get a bad port with bugs and a patching marathon. You never know.
Clearly no one cares that much or they would be buying Xbox Series consoles to play the games earlier.
HeWhoWalks
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TropicanaTwista
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As someone who got psvr 2 this black Friday, I doubt that. Think it's really just the deals that make it intriguing. Doesn't PC need an adapter too? If so, would think that would be among the top sellers.
Anyway, if these numbers are even close to accurate, what a shit show for MS. Launching their biggest IP on gamepass and nearly passed by a $300+ accessory. I know Xbox has been dead for awhile, but MS should seriously consider not even manufacturing then anymore. Their is just zero demand or want for that thing.
Fess
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There needs to be system sellers and up til now what game would people rush out to buy Xbox Series consoles for?
We’ll see what happens now, I think Indiana Jones is going to be one of those games where people will learn that sitting there waiting for Microsoft games on PS5 isn’t the best choice. Pretty sure we’ll see some people cave in and play on Xbox, PC or cloud instead of just ”anticipating the future” on PS5.
Lol you people never learn at all
If Indiana Jones does sell well it will be on Steam but it's not really the type of game that would do well on steam so it's most likely will fall short & maybe get a small boost from the PS5 release.
Topher
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BiohazardX95
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PSVR2 has way more exclusives than Xbox, makes sense.
Fess
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You people? lol I’m not even talking about sales numbers here but going by the online chatter Indiana Jones seems like a good candidate for a system seller so we’ll see. As said like 10 times now I just think that people will learn that going with PS5 for Microsoft’s games ain’t the best way no matter how the talk online goes. That future is highly uncertain. If any of these current exclusivity scenarios leads to more Xbox sales or people building PCs or signing up for cloud streaming remains to be seen. I definitely think both Stalker 2 and Indiana Jones are going to wake people up a bit. Waiting is not fun.
DForce
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Online chatter is far different from that of an everyday consumer. Nothing so far suggests that people will run out and buy Xbox consoles for Stalker 2 and Indiana Jones.
Palworld was massive and so was PUBG years ago when it first launched on Xbox consoles. Indiana Jones and Stalker 2 won't have nearly the same impact and people were willing to wait for the game to launch on PS consoles.
This game probably won't be as big as Starfield and that game didn't do anything for Xbox consoles.
Fess
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We’ll see, from my perspective this is THE system seller this generation for MS. High critical acclaim, GOTY chatter, player positivity, at least timed exclusivity, known ip, hype.
And as a big Indy fan I don’t think I’ve been as excited. Already when Rick Dangerous came out I was like ”Oh it’s almost like Indiana Jones! Cooool!”. Then came many other Indy clones like Tomb Raider, Uncharted, plus Indy games in so-so quality, etc. Now I get the real AAA Indy deal!! And going by the talk it’s nearly flawless from a fan perspective. Just waiting til monday is a struggle for me, might jump in on Steam Advanced Access tonight, can’t imagine having to wait for a late port.
But sure, I don’t know how the Indiana Jones ip goes with youngsters. I’m nearly 50, Indy is probably the biggest movie hero for me. I’ll drop everything to play this.
Heisenberg007
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Do you think it's a better candidate than Starfield? If yes, do you think it'll have a bigger launch than Starfield on Steam?
Genuinely curious.
demigod
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It’s getting slaughtered on Steam by both a F2P game and a true “early access” game. Indi is not going to boost xbox sales like you think it is. Look at how many folks are just going to “rent” it on gamepass. I bet it’ll sell the most on PS5 anyways.
Fess
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I enjoyed Starfield but it was clearly not for everyone. It still got high peak ccu numbers at Steam though, over 300k iirc. But it wasn’t a system seller.
I don’t think Indiana Jones will have higher peak numbers. But I think it’ll have more positive talks and will bring in some good PR from not being as divisive and from movie fans like myself and from not being a full exclusive with warriors searching for things to complain about.
I think a timed exclusivity is very clever here if they aren’t ready to go full 3rd party yet. They’re keeping some advantages for their user base without bringing in full console war into the equation. Kinda similar to how Sony do it with PC. You get hit by fomo but you know there are solutions out there if you just can’t wait.
I remember when we used to get who won black Friday just days after now nothing I miss those days.
Are you surprised? We didn't even get the fantastic and reliable Adobe report claiming online retailers BF victory for Xbox this year
The reality is that some people are interested in sharing that stuff online only if they can paint a certain narrative. This year they just want to stay silent to hide the unspinnable reality as long as they can.
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Are you in Dreamland?
Nothing you have seen has shown you that Indiana Jones is going to be a system seller the game release in 2 days & you haven't seen a sign of a uplift in Xbox Series sales.
SweetTooth
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Yup, basically confirmes PlayStation domination.
jm89
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Polygonal_Sprite
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Not that crazy. Didn’t Wii and DS sell like 4 million each in a single November NPD?
Horseganador
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I see that I am not the only one who finds the silence regarding November sales "suspicious". Every year there was talk about Black Friday sales, there were articles, etc. This year, absolutely nothing....
Muddy
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Indiana Jones a system seller? Seriously?
If Starfield and COD BO6 on Gamepass couldn’t move the needle, what makes you think Indiana Jones will?
Humdinger
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I find it hard to follow your logic, but I'll do my best. You seem to trying to make the case that FOMO and uncertainty about whether future MS exclusives will be coming to PS, together with timed delays, will cause many people to rush out and buy Xboxes.
But that isn't happening. We can see that from the sales. The data disconfirm your hypothesis. People are not possessed with FOMO and uncertainty, rushing out to buy Xboxes. Xbox sales are in decline, even in their strongest territory.
(Btw, I'm not saying no one will fit the scenario you're describing. There may be some Indiana Jones fanatics, for instance, who are willing to spend $400 to avoid a three month wait. But it's not going to be a lot.)
Oh, I get it now. You're a rabid Indiana Jones fan who is frothing at the mouth to play the game. Waiting two days is a "struggle" for you, and you "can't imagine" having to wait longer. So you project those feelings on to other people and assume many others feel the same as you. But no. You're a rabid fan and swept up in the hype. Good for you, enjoy the ride. It sounds like a solid game. But most people are not squirming out of their pants to play it - certainly not to the point where they are going to spend $400 just to avoid a three-month wait. There are plenty of other good games out there to enjoy in the meantime.
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Moridianae
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I'm fine to wait 3 months to play Indiana Jones, replete with whatever QoL updates or possibly even Pro enhancements they do to it.
I'm not refuting that it's a great game, but it's not a system seller. If people know it's coming to PS5 in the next 3 months, why would they buy a $300-$500 additonal console to play it early?
Sub to Game Pass and play it? Sure, but the fact is that Xbox is cratering in sales worldwide in terms of hardware.
It has been for some time, but it's getting a lot worse.
I'm not refuting that it's a great game, but it's not a system seller. If people know it's coming to PS5 in the next 3 months, why would they buy a $300-$500 additonal console to play it early?
Sub to Game Pass and play it? Sure, but the fact is that Xbox is cratering in sales worldwide in terms of hardware.
It has been for some time, but it's getting a lot worse.
Fess
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Chill, if there is a snowball about to form it has barely had time to start moving. Don’t pretend that you can draw any conclusion about anything a day after early access release. The high scores in reviews has just come out, the positive chatter on social and articles talking about GOTY worthy quality is all fresh. If anything happens it’ll show later.
All that is known at this point is that those who want to play it now can choose between playing on PC, Xbox or cloud. Or they can wait.
BlitzerRadic
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I'm trying to bring you to reality, there are games that could start off slow then later on bring people in & sale consoles but I don't think this is it buddy lol.
Fable is the game that I believe could move a few Xboxes. If they don't mess it up
Fess
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Not really, I’m mostly saying that there hasn’t been any real system seller yet. What would that be? And if there is a game out that people actually want to play and if the talk is almost exclusively positive then anything can happen. That’s what I think. 87 on Metacritic with top scores on some big websites and praise from early players is a nice place to be for hype.
But sure who knows if that leads to people buying Xboxes, building PCs or signing up for streaming?
We’ll see. I have no real expectations there. I’m on PC and I assume a big chunk of enthusiast gamers will be there, with or without consoles on the side, seems like a great version with some extra bells and whistles. I bet we’ll see some PR about it in due time if it’s a success. And if there is PR silence we can assume the noise and positivity is mostly oldies like me chatting about the joy of finally getting a great AAA game with a legendary childhood movie hero.
Yeah thanks I will! I don’t like the term rabid fan but whatever I’m just a big movie fan and think it’s awesome that there is finally a top-notch AAA Indy game out, it’s been awhile. I have high expectations so keep an eye out for impressions if you want, reviews are nice but I’ll jump in soon enough to make up my own mind about it. Right now I’m mostly trying to dodge videos that could spoil stuff, I want to go in a blind as possible, one of the reasons I hate waiting for it.
XXL
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I'll just add to this current discussion.
No single game (or 2) is going to change Xbox's current state.
Building (back) trust takes time and consistency. There is no magic game coming out that is going to change everything for them....and thinking so is foolish.
On top of that, Indiana Jones maybe be great, but it's not the type of game that (generally) is going to appeal to the mass market so much so that would they rush on a buy a console for it alone (and neither is Stalker 2). Not to mention its coming to PC now and PS5 later.
No single game (or 2) is going to change Xbox's current state.
Building (back) trust takes time and consistency. There is no magic game coming out that is going to change everything for them....and thinking so is foolish.
On top of that, Indiana Jones maybe be great, but it's not the type of game that (generally) is going to appeal to the mass market so much so that would they rush on a buy a console for it alone (and neither is Stalker 2). Not to mention its coming to PC now and PS5 later.
jm89
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I've said it before in the thread, it's gonna be an Xbox sales collapse like we've never seen.
Hopefully piscatella and dring don't do anything goofy to hide it. They are already being real quite about it.
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Humdinger
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Oh, okay. You were talking about fomo and uncertainty about future releases, so I thought you were saying that would move Xboxes.
Starfield was supposed to be the system seller last year. As you know, that didn't work out. At the time of release, Starfield's Metacritic average was 86, just 1 point shy of Indy's (although hopefully Indy's will have staying power). Starfield also had a long hype cycle (the next big RPG from Bethesda!) and a ton of marketing, much more than Indy got. And it still didn't move the needle. I'm not even sure it boosted GP numbers.
But sure who knows if that leads to people buying Xboxes, building PCs or signing up for streaming?
Indy is more in the "pleasant surprise" category to me, rather than a system seller. If a game is coming to PC day and date and also to PS5 3 months later, it won't sell Xboxes - not to anyone who isn't a die-hard Indy fan, only games on console, has plenty of disposable income, and just can't wait. That's not a big demographic.
I'm sure you're right about that. It's been a long time since Xbox had a banger, and they'll want to publicize it. Hopefully they will release sales data and not just "Here's how many people played it" (GP) stats.
That's cool. Apologies if "rabid" came across as a putdown. I didn't mean it that way. I just like to throw around colorful adjectives sometimes. Enthusiasm is a good thing.
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Fess
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Sorry but Fable is an old dead Xbox IP and X has made it a target for wokeness. I doubt it’ll get anyone on the outside to take a peek into Microsoft’s bubble. And if it’s a true exclusive we’ll see the usual crowd try to tank it with negativity. With a timed exclusivity it could have a chance but then the woke controversy will still sink it. Plus it’ll come at a time when Xbox is truly dead unless it’s delayed til a surprisingly promising next generation.
What are you seeing that I can’t see?
Indy is out there now, when the console at least somewhat have a pulse. And it comes a year when both Sony and Nintendo has been kinda resting on 1st party output. And it’s reviewed well and seems loved by early players so far. And the timed exclusivity means it’s not automatically hated by warriors even though fomo might add some saltiness for some.
What other game have Microsoft had that isn’t covered by some negativity this generation?
Now I know you're in Dreamland Helldivers II is one of the biggest games Sony has ever released
Woopah
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I wouldn't say that's completely true.
Yes they had Forza as their answer to GT, but what Xbox did with online multiplayer with Xbox Live and Halo/Gears did set it apart from PlayStation. Plus it had a much stronger focus on WRPGs that Sony did it in the early days.
It doesn't hurt it at all. Exclusives matter and third party games also matter. It's not mutually exclusive.
Circana and GSD monthly reports come later. It has nothing to do with "PlayStation domination".
SweetTooth
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When does it come out?