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Amazon Removes Some Explicit Yaoi Manga from Kindle Store

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tokkun

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shidoshi said:
Completely different situation. This would be more akin to the government saying, "We're only going to let certain cars on the road, and we're going to kind of give you an idea of cars we will or won't allow, but totally at random we might decide that that car you purchased and have been driving for a year now we're not going to allow anymore."

If your gripe is that Amazon's definition of pornography is too vague then that's a separate issue, but it's hardly one that's unique to Amazon - even the U.S. Supreme Court uses terms like "community standards" to define obscenity.

And let me say that if Amazon's selection of which violating materials to remove is indeed "totally at random" as you characterized it, then I don't think there's a controversy here. If, instead, they are targeting gay pornography as being obscene but straight pornography as non-obscene, then maybe there is a story here.

If you want another government analogy, compare it to having your taxes audited. The government sets certain standards in its codes, but does not have the resources to audit every return. Some are selected at random to be audited whereas others skate through.
 

shintoki

sparkle this bitch
meltingparappa said:
Think of it in terms of Steam having a really hardcore bullet hell shooter, then pulling the bullet hell shooter and implying it will never have them ever again.

You'd say "well, no big loss to me, only a few people care about those", but you would hope that the largest digital distributor would support giving its customer as many options as reasonable, especially if the raw number of places to legally purchase and support games starts drying up at the rate of book sellers have.

And add a tiny bit of salt to your bullet hell wounds if the reason may be some sort of debatable morality issue that Steam users may be so sensitive that they don't want to look at or even acknowledge that bullet hell shooters exist.
So... people do love Yaoi. Glorious tidings then.
 

bjork

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Someone should tell DMP that this wouldn't happen with Worst, if they'd actually publish it instead of sitting on the license. Rat bastards.
 

Vamphuntr

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spiderman123 said:
what's yaoi?!

edit: nvm

Just googled that. Themoreyouknow.jpg.

I think Amazon pulled the plug because it's considered like porn? Are they allowing porn/comic porn on the kindle store?
 

Boogiepop

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That sucks. Not exactly into the stuff myself, but don't really mind giving it a read (not the porn, but still... well, except that one time, and that wasn't on purpose. Was going fine until the sudden buttsex panel out of nowhere). Still, it's never good to see what IIRC is the ONLY publisher in the US for a niche product like this take a hit.
 
This is basically why manga is not widely available on ebook stores worldwide. In Japan, the major publishers were interested in a deal, but Amazon and Apple were basically (a) unwilling to compromise on their cut and (b) were unwilling to give clear-cut rules on what would-be allowed.

The problem here isn't that something was pulled from the store, it's that the provider isn't given a clear line to follow for future releases. You cant even just say "No Yaoi", as the publishing terms are vague enough that any number of series could be pulled at any time for whatever they interpret as over the line. DMP has basically been told "keep releasing, but we will randomly ban your stuff and we are not allowed to explain why. You are not allowed to appeal."

I don't even read Yaoi, but think about past or currently published Shounen, Seinen or Shoujo titles. Who is going to buy Berserk if Amazon randomly pulls volumes 3, 15, and 23 for content concerns? It's too much of a risk.
 

Proelite

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Slayven said:
I can't stop laughing at "Christmas Creampie"
ice-cream-pie-m.jpg
 
Cheech said:
I want to know what it is, but I am at work and I am guessing googling it would be a mistake.
Youth
Against
Otaku
Ish-ways

Basically the exact opposite of all the moe garbage people complain about.

Aka, gay-themed manga.
 

Cheech

Member
Dipindots said:
lol, you can't be serious. You bought a Kindle just to read Yaoi?

I bought a PS3 just to play SOCOM 4.

In 2007.

Seriously, I've been thinking about a Kindle. But what I want it for is USA Today and magazines, but shit is EXPENSIVE son. Print is FAR cheaper.
 

Cheech

Member
Dipindots said:
I'm so sorry ;(

Tell me about it. I was going to hold off, but my wife wanted something to buy me for Father's Day, and at that point SOCOM 4 was only a few months out. I was all pumped to re-live my SOCOM 1 days of playing that shit online for HOURS.

Then, SOCOM Confrontation came out. Which I never bought.

I have not yet checked out SOCOM 4.

My PS3 makes me sad. At least it gave me Demon's Souls and Valkyria Chronicles.
 

mollipen

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Cheech said:
I want to know what it is, but I am at work and I am guessing googling it would be a mistake.

Know your manga!

Hentai / Ecchi - Basic terms often used for porn. "Ecchi" may or may not be used for the softer-core stuff.
Yaoi - Boy's love, aka boys having teh sexes with boys.
Yuri - Girl's love. Girl on girl action... just the way God intended it.
Shotacon / Shota - Fetish for young boys. May or may not be by hot older woman. Nice.
Lolicon / Loli - Taste for the young girls. In other words, 90% of manga Japan now produces.
Futanari / Futa - Basically... chicks with dicks. In a sort of non-transgender-connected way.
Guro - Do you find it how when a woman's intestines are spilling out all over the floor?
Shounen - Comics targeted at boys. Male character beats up male character for 80 chapters.
Shoujo - Girl-targeted manga. Copious amounts of flowers and sparkles and gender-ambiguous characters.
Seinen - Manga for men. Includes titles such as zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Josei - Comics for the ladies. Josei manga is best manga.
Doujinshi - Fan-created manga, typically based on characters they don't own. AKA Rule 34.
 

bjork

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shidoshi said:
Know your manga!

Seinen - Manga for men. Includes titles such as zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Josei - Comics for the ladies. Josei manga is best manga.

does not compute
 

Evlar

Banned
I also have to object to the description of Shounen. Japanese youth are pretty open-minded toward cross-gender beat-em-ups.
 

Cheech

Member
shidoshi said:
Know your manga!

Hentai / Ecchi - Basic terms often used for porn. "Ecchi" may or may not be used for the softer-core stuff.
Yaoi - Boy's love, aka boys having teh sexes with boys.
Yuri - Girl's love. Girl on girl action... just the way God intended it.
Shotacon / Shota - Fetish for young boys. May or may not be by hot older woman. Nice.
Lolicon / Loli - Taste for the young girls. In other words, 90% of manga Japan now produces.
Futanari / Futa - Basically... chicks with dicks. In a sort of non-transgender-connected way.
Guro - Do you find it how when a woman's intestines are spilling out all over the floor?
Shounen - Comics targeted at boys. Male character beats up male character for 80 chapters.
Shoujo - Girl-targeted manga. Copious amounts of flowers and sparkles and gender-ambiguous characters.
Seinen - Manga for men. Includes titles such as zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Josei - Comics for the ladies. Josei manga is best manga.
Doujinshi - Fan-created manga, typically based on characters they don't own. AKA Rule 34.

:-O

Golgo 13 was awesome. Guro manga?
 
shidoshi said:
Know your manga!

Hentai / Ecchi - Basic terms often used for porn. "Ecchi" may or may not be used for the softer-core stuff.
Yaoi - Boy's love, aka boys having teh sexes with boys.
Yuri - Girl's love. Girl on girl action... just the way God intended it.
Shotacon / Shota - Fetish for young boys. May or may not be by hot older woman. Nice.
Lolicon / Loli - Taste for the young girls. In other words, 90% of manga Japan now produces.
Futanari / Futa - Basically... chicks with dicks. In a sort of non-transgender-connected way.
Guro - Do you find it how when a woman's intestines are spilling out all over the floor?
Shounen - Comics targeted at boys. Male character beats up male character for 80 chapters.
Shoujo - Girl-targeted manga. Copious amounts of flowers and sparkles and gender-ambiguous characters.
Seinen - Manga for men. Includes titles such as zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
Josei - Comics for the ladies. Josei manga is best manga.

Doujinshi - Fan-created manga, typically based on characters they don't own. AKA Rule 34.

2/10
 

mollipen

Member
To be fair... I WAS going to put in the fact that Golgo 13 gets a total pass for being so awesome. Would have ruined my joke, though.
 
tokkun said:
Amazon is not "touching your porn"...they are refusing to sell certain titles from one of their storefronts in accordance with their existing policy. If there is any controversy here, it would be on whether there is a double standard for straight vs gay material, and I'm not sure I'm convinced of that from the evidence in the OP.
That part was hyperbole. But I was in class at the time so I really couldn't make it stand out more. The double standard is disgusting though
 
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