Got into a vegan-friend's Facebook post about this and "why are some animals more important than others to you meat eaters?" IE that meat eaters who are enraged by the killing of the lion but not about farm animals etc. There's too many emotional arguments so i couldn't be bothered to keep on arguing with those people..
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American hunter illegally killed Cecil the Lion
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Okay but going to Yelp and screaming and giving him one stars hurts people who actually rely on reviews for services. I hate that. Also hoping his business fails makes no sense. After he gets punished for poaching, I want the offender to rehabilitate his life. Punishing someone forever doesn't benefit society.
I highly doubt there is a single person who would still want to go there and would be looking for legitimate reviews on him at this point. He has made literally ALL of the national news outlets and called out for his actions. He isn't being tared and feathered on just GAF. It is literally the entire media.
It's not like it matters, there is no chance his dentistry survives this. His career is done.
This will be the top google search whenever looking anything up on him likely for the rest of his life.
They did, the articles state they tried destroying it and were unable to do so after they killed him.
Right, thanks.
You think he's going to get punished for poaching? He didn't even get punished for poaching in the US.
Christopher
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This safari shit for the wealthy is beyond fucking lame.
Why is this allowed? I can't not stand killing animals who aren't provoking you or a risk to your life...
For fucking sport!?! God damn man
Why is this allowed? I can't not stand killing animals who aren't provoking you or a risk to your life...
For fucking sport!?! God damn man
HawksWinStanley
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He'll probably open a veterinary clinic so he can put down pets for a living.
GoldenEye 007
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I think safaris themselves are fine.
The hunting part obviously has issues. But why? I'd think given the fact participants are generally wealthy, it's not hard to imagine there is incentive to cater to them. I'm sure in part, local economies in Africa are happy to get those funds for facilitating hunts like these.
If it's done correctly, it actually does help conservation efforts. It's a legitimate aspect of wildlife management. I was very doubtful at first, but the more I read about it I came to understand it a bit better. There are still some aspects I'm skeptical of because I think it takes a very optimistic and sometimes intentionally naive perspective on just how significant the benefits are and that the potential for manipulation or abuse is greater than claimed, but still.
What happened in this case was a complete farce and probably will probably end up damaging legitimate conservation efforts.
While I'm not a fan of the 'this guy's an asshole and therefore hunting and all hunters are assholes' argument, this dude really is a huge asshole. He's literally the stereotype to the letter. Seeing how he shut his practice down I'd say mob justice kind of did its thing. It definitely hurt his livelihood.
Lets not forget he has a history of sexual harassment as well.
ShadowKingpin
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Ouch.
DiipuSurotu
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A mouse, yeah. That post was about a fish though. There are even so-called "vegetarians" who eat fish because somehow they make a difference between fish and other animals, lol.
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Illegal poacher's livelihood shouldn't be up for debate? Um okay.
I don't know how truthful this really is, I just got back from Kenya and all hunting is illegal and the wildlife was incredible, balanced and thriving. Everything I saw there made it very obvious that the best thing for these animals is to just let them balance themselves out. Kenya seems to have figured out that they can pull a a shitload more revenue charging people slightly less to hunt and photograph an animal but doing it 52 times a years instead of once to kill it. We "hunted" a collared Lion and it was an incredible experience and we never even got a look at it. Just tracking it and chasing as it moved through the bush, it crossed a river into another property and we lost it. It was worth every penny. These hunt kill safaris are just about dead and hopefully the massive media attention this gets can be a final nail in the coffin.
Agent Gibbs
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Wait so new info is that, it took 40 hours because they went to bloody bed because it was LATE?
they had no permits but planned to do a quota transfer by claiming the animal was killed in another area (EXACTLY like the bear kill in 2008) but when they finally got round to finishing Cecil off (who i'm guessing could have survived if found before the lazy poachers) and found the GPS their plan unraveled
Well i'm utterly convinced he knew exactly what was going on now, so it seems like my conjecture a few posts back that they always planned to illegally bait and kill any lion was correct, but he fled after the GPS was found and it was realised they couldn't scam the system
Utter pond life, hope he is extradited for legal punnishment
perfectchaos007
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Jimmy Kimmel was choked up at the end, which you rarely see him getting emotional. Truly one of the most tragic non-human deaths I can think of.
This is complete, 100% bullshit.
Rarely (VERY rarely) there are instances when a single animal needs to be culled, or when the choice is either to cull part of a herd getting to big for the preservation park or to let them out where poachers will just kill the entire herd. But these instances are not common enough to support any sort of hunting tourism. This is something that every conservation group agrees is best handled by park management or wildlife preservation organizations.
The most common argument is that the money paid to hunt these animals goes, in some part, towards conservation. First, that percentage is unknown, because, for all their talk of being in support of conservation, non of these hunting organizations will say how much of each $50k kill goes back into preserving the animals. But the biggest thing is that hunting tourism only brings in a few million each year, total, while non-lethal tourism (photo-safaris and the like) bring in billions. So, really, hunting does fuck-all for wildlife preservation.
Honestly, I won't care. Killing an endangered species is one of the worst things you can do imho. Extinction is forever and all that. I can understand the hunts where the animal is actually causing harm and it raises money, this wasn't that (and honestly I'm still iffy on if that really is the case but you can't even claim that was what happened here). This was a selfish asshole who just wanted a trophy (he took only the head) who didn't care he was helping contribute to an animal going extinct. I don't buy that he didn't know what he was doing, he has been caught illegally hunting before.
He couldn't even truly hunt the lion, he pretty much had a "canned hunt" there, he just wanted the trophy.
Fuck him. If his life is ruined, I'm not going to cry for him. In a way I'm glad he had the misfortune of picking a famous one to kill so that this really bites him in the ass (Cause we know if it wasn't a famous one no one would hear about it). As some one pointed out, he claimed he didn't know the lion was famous, not that it was illegal (He's not sorry he killed the lion, he's sorry he picked one that got more attention). And this isn't the first time he's been caught doing shit like this. And I gotta wonder how much more shit he does like this when he's been caught several times (how many times did he not get caught?).
I'm just sad he didn't get caught by ZImbabwe honestly and he'll probably just get fined over here (slap in the wrist). WHich hopefully won't be a slap in the wrist anymore when his source of income goes away cause people no longer want to use him as a dentist.
IrishNinja
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thank you for this post.
Holy shit lol.
Ollie Pooch
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He basically paid 55 grand to take a lions head and as a result endanger dozens of young lions in the process. Giving no fucks about the consequences nor any respect to the animal(s) he's killed. Pure ego stroking macho bullshit. There's something seriously wrong with the guy - I'm glad his life and reputation get dragged, people like him need to be exposed.
entremet
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What's this?
I'm actually really happy you posted this, because I was not aware of this when only hearing parts of the story while at the office today. I had expressed some sympathy to the guy, thinking he had been shouldered with all of the blame for something that he was an unknowing participant in. My opinion has changed after seeing this.
The Maverick
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No sympathy.
Yeah focusing on the lion being famous is odd. The focus should be they lured a lion out of a national park to hunt it. You can't be oblivious to think everything is perfectly legal if you have to lure prey out of a national park. Even a kid knows you can't fuck around with things and m even a kid knows you can't fuck around with animals in a national park. Tricking the animal to come out of the park does not make it suddenly legal . This is why the guides were arrested.
He was with them when they lured it out of the park. There is no way he couldn't realize why they would have to lure it out of the park.
Even if he didn't know it was famous, he knew they are tricking a animal to leave a national park. And it doesn't take a hunter to know you can't kill animals from a national Park .
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
My God, this dickhead lured a lion out of a protected area to kill it? Unbelievable.
and additionally, to pretend that he wasn't aware that shenanigans were going on is just stupid. There's a reason he paid this crazy price tag and snuck around with these people in the middle of the night.
The guy's office. People set up a shrine to Cecil with stuffed animals and put signs, etc.
POWERSPHERE
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How small does your dick have to be to do this shit?
RustyNails
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Fuck the dude and his business. Im glad his life is fucked and Im also glad that people now do not go to a business where the owner kills endangered species. Why are you worried about him? He has made a living out of killing majestic animals, beheading them and using their skins as rugs. If you want to rehabilitate the asshole, why don't you send your all your tax dollars to rehabilitate him? Don't drag the rest of us along. I'm not going to send a single penny towards this human filth for his "rehabilitation", which can start by him adopting the lion's cubs.
cagelessrat
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Probably been posted, but I was finally able to get on the organization's site. You can donate to aid in their efforts.
http://www.wildcru.org/news/macdonald-thanks-supporters/
http://www.wildcru.org/index.html?p=31.html
Any chance we can put something in the OP so we can focus on positive change?
http://www.wildcru.org/news/macdonald-thanks-supporters/
http://www.wildcru.org/index.html?p=31.html
Any chance we can put something in the OP so we can focus on positive change?
Rentahamster
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Hunting has its place, but this looks to be straight up poaching, which is not good.
Not necessarily. A proper hunting program, when done right, can contribute to conservation efforts, especially when the land is not suitable for eco tourism. Look to Namibia as an example.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=160603954&postcount=457
Not necessarily. A proper hunting program, when done right, can contribute to conservation efforts, especially when the land is not suitable for eco tourism. Look to Namibia as an example.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=160603954&postcount=457
onadesertedisland
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Thank you. The myth of sport hunting being good for conservation is tossed around when this kind of thing happens just like the NRA throws out the idea that more guns will help every time a shooting happens.
They are called "pescatarians" and I agree that it is a weird thing.
Those facts are laughable, I love how they say since the hunting ban in Kenya but in no way mention why the decline and if it has anything to do with hunting. It's such bullshit science, they try and make it sound like because Kenya does not allow animals to be killed for sport, there has been a massive loss in population. What exactly does not suitable for eco tourism mean? It is somehow suitable to hunt with a gun but not a camera?
First, we're talking about big-game hunting, not deer or duck or antelope.
Second, the best thing for conservation of any area is to not have ANY hunting, and that is proven time and time again. The reason why hunting helps in certain areas is that the predators have had their numbers brought down too much (by hunters) so that the prey population needs to be kept in check somehow
I have seen some outrage over this from omnivores turn into them considering a vegetarian diet. Some good may come of this yet.
GAF usually doesn't respond too well to animal rights topics, but feeling anger and sadness over this is great. Just please think about how millions of more animal lives are taken every day in much worse ways and conditions than Cecil's in the name of an unnecessary diet many of you probably support.
What I said does not come from a place of hate but from a place of wishing to help make the world better and our morality more consistent. By necessity it may come off confrontational, but contrary to how many people on GAF respond to these messages that is not intended.
GAF usually doesn't respond too well to animal rights topics, but feeling anger and sadness over this is great. Just please think about how millions of more animal lives are taken every day in much worse ways and conditions than Cecil's in the name of an unnecessary diet many of you probably support.
What I said does not come from a place of hate but from a place of wishing to help make the world better and our morality more consistent. By necessity it may come off confrontational, but contrary to how many people on GAF respond to these messages that is not intended.
HP_Wuvcraft
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One of the people on my FB feed is saying that the hate against this man is hyperbolic and he should sue Jimmy Kimmel for libel.
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