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[Tsundere]

You are missing something...

No he isn't. That initial push was vital for getting this KickStarter some coverage and word of mouth.

 

[SwiftDeath]

This stream is fantastic.

I second this. Loved Jose

 

[Argyle]

I'll buy it for $20 if/when it comes out, because it's not the money that's the issue. I'm not going to support the Kickstarter for that amount though because I don't agree with the way it's handled, is all.

I felt the same way, but a lot of people jumped out of the $15 tier to move to the $35 tier, so I got in at $15 yesterday.

I guess I was on the internet at the right time but that doesn't really bother me, I guess my thought process was "well I'd be willing to pay $15 and get a small discount for assuming the risk of backing this on Kickstarter...or I could just wait until it comes out and see if the game is good and pay the same $20 I would have paid anyway at this point, so I guess I should wait" (I've been burned on Kickstarter before...never back a hardware project.)

 

[Probity]

This game might not even be the thing for me, since I am not normally interested in music-oriented games and never had experience with the original as a member of a younger generation. I really want to see this game succeed though, it seems really interesting to say the least, and the devs seem really cool.

Also, based on what I heard about the original from earlier, it was pretty acclaimed among fans when it was first made. I will back this when I get home today, I guess. Should I get the full game at $20?

I don't want to see this fail.

 

[PAULINK]

I suppose. But had they not done that I know I'd have been in for this KS at a higher tier than $20 anyways. But just that option being there steers me away. *shrugs*

Sounds like you just don't want the game because you could have gotten it for cheaper.

 

[Zaph]

I know this has been said before, but going for the $20 is essentially pre-ordering the game. Does that help?

That's exactly why I don't use KS for gaming. No pre-ordering, never compromise.

Still, sending Harmonix all the good energy I can to get this game funded. Seriously a great bunch of guys and girls over there.

 

[Petrie]

Sounds like you just don't want the game because you could have gotten it for cheaper.

Nope. I just can't support a model where arbitrarily some users are able to get the game for $15 based on happening to be on the internet at the right time. So instead of backing, I will simply end up with the game whenever it hits that pricepoint. Whereas if it was available to all at either the $15 or $20 point, then I'd likely be in for at least the early access tier.

Had they not done that and everyone got it at $15 they would have over 20k less than they have right now. Were you going to donate 20k?

I'm pretty far from the only person who simply isn't donating because of it. Take a look on CAG or many other forums, it's not uncommon for people to feel this way. GAF is unique in just liking to throw money at things.

 

[biglittleps]

Nope. I just can't support a model where arbitrarily some users are able to get the game for $15 based on happening to be on the internet at the right time. So instead of backing, I will simply end up with the game whenever it hits that pricepoint. Whereas if it was available to all at either the $15 or $20 point, then I'd likely be in for at least the early access tier.



I'm pretty far from the only person who simply isn't donating because of it. Take a look on CAG or many other forums, it's not uncommon for people to feel this way. GAF is unique in just liking to throw money at things.

That $15 and 35$ tiers are to spark the interest and hype for those people who are still thinking about whether to back up or not. With these tiers it will keep the momentum and word of mouth otherwise it won't get this kind of support and game won't be made because of this so many people and developers will be disappointed who felt so much passion. The people who want this game don't think about the tiers and they just go with tier they feel can afford and only those people who are not really interested or just want to go with hype for cheap tiers like 15$ or 35$ will complain.

 

[nicholasbrutal]

Nope. I just can't support a model where arbitrarily some users are able to get the game for $15 based on happening to be on the internet at the right time.

This is fair and no judgment. Of course, we'd love the support so we could make the game, but I can understand your point.

But how is that different than a sale that you missed? If there's something you wanted at $20 and planned to buy, but then it dropped to $15 and (for sake of argument) you were stranded on a cruise ship during that price drop, when you returned, would you simply not purchase the product at that point because of the "arbitrary" price drop?

 

[Petrie]

That $15 and 35$ tiers are to spark the interest and hype for those people who are still thinking about whether to back up or not. With these tiers it will keep the momentum and work of mouth otherwise it won't get this kind of support. The people who want this game don't think about the tiers and they just go with tier they feel can afford and only those people who are not really interested or just want to go with hype for cheap tiers like 15$ or 35$ will complain.

GAF does not equal everyone. Lots of people are going to look at it the same way I and others in this thread do.

Over 1/4 of the money they've generated came from the tiers you claim are for people who are "not really interested", lower tiers are a kickstarters bread and butter.

This is fair and no judgment. Of course, we'd love the support so we could make the game, but I can understand your point.

But how is that different than a sale that you missed? If there's something you wanted at $20 and planned to buy, but then it dropped to $15 and (for sake of argument) you were stranded on a cruise ship during that price drop, when you returned, would you simply not purchase the product at that point because of the "arbitrary" price drop?

Generally yes. I will simply wait for the sale to show back up, on a long enough timeline it always does and I have plenty to play, hell there's around 500 of my songs in Rock Band I have yet to try in Blitz so I can do that while I wait, it isn't about $$ as can clearly be seen from the thousands I've sent Harmonix way between their games. I did this with Persona 4 Golden on Vita most recently when I missed a sale and waited 3 months or so for it to hit that price again.

But in this case it comes down to principle of not liking that part of the model, it isn't about the $$ themselves whatsoever.

 

[silver.tongue]

This is fair and no judgment. Of course, we'd love the support so we could make the game, but I can understand your point.

But how is that different than a sale that you missed? If there's something you wanted at $20 and planned to buy, but then it dropped to $15 and (for sake of argument) you were stranded on a cruise ship during that price drop, when you returned, would you simply not purchase the product at that point because of the "arbitrary" price drop?

That's how I see it too. No problem whatsoever.

 

[biglittleps]

GAF does not equal everyone. Lots of people are going to look at it the same way I and others in this thread do.

Over 1/4 of the money they've generated came from the tiers you claim are for people who are "not really interested", lower tiers are a kickstarters bread and butter.



Generally yes. I will simply wait for the sale to show back up, on a long enough timeline it always does and I have plenty to play, hell there's around 500 of my songs in Rock Band I have yet to try in Blitz so I can do that while I wait. I did this with Persona 4 Golden on Vita most recently when I missed a sale and waited 3 months or so for it to hit that price again.

But in this case it comes down to principle of not liking that part of the model, it isn't about the $$ themselves whatsoever.

I know the lot of money came from other tiers but these tiers (due to benefits) created the momentum and so many people who were at lower tiers upped their pledges later to support the game and these lower tiers gets filled again.

I understand your problem with model and agree with you, but this is the only way for this game to get funded which we all want. So, we should be happy that we are getting this game made and should not blame this game funding because of the funding model.

 

[Arc]

That's exactly why I don't use KS for gaming. No pre-ordering, never compromise.

Still, sending Harmonix all the good energy I can to get this game funded. Seriously a great bunch of guys and girls over there.

That's an odd personal principle to hold so strongly, especially when it could mean the game you will end up purchasing not being made.

 

[Arc]

I can't believe there are people complaining about the point of the $15 tier. But this is GAF, so maybe I can believe it. You'd think this thread is cheapassgamer.

 

[hawk2025]

I can't believe there are people complaining about the point of the $15 tier. But this is GAF, so maybe I can believe it. You'd think this thread is cheapassgamer.

Just read through the thread, we've gone through basically every concern one can possibly have with a Kickstarter. It's... interesting.

 

[PAULINK]

I can't believe there are people complaining about the point of the $15 tier. But this is GAF, so maybe I can believe it. You'd think this thread is cheapassgamer.

There's no fighting it, people who are complaining about $5 were likely not going to back it anyways.

 

[Arc]

Just read through the thread, we've gone through basically every concern one can possibly have with a Kickstarter. It's... interesting.

I find it ridiculously...stupid..to argue about missing out on $5 when that means the game might not get made because you have a problem with their method of crowd-funding. It's immature.

There's no fighting in, people who are complaining about $5 were likely not going to back it anyways.

You're probably right. I just find it ridiculous and needed to rant!

 

[Petrie]

There's no fighting in, people who are complaining about $5 were likely not going to back it anyways.

Completely wrong. Some people stick to their principles. Had their been only one either $15 or $20 tier, I'd be in for at least $40 and so would many others.

I find it ridiculously...stupid..to argue about missing out on $5 when that means the game might not get made because you have a problem with their method of crowd-funding. It's immature.

Having principles is immature? Alright then.

 

[SwiftDeath]

To vote on who to pie from Harmonix

http://www.harmonixmusic.com/pie

Took me a while to find the link as I kept missing it from the stream

 

[Arc]

Completely wrong. Some people stick to their principles. Had their been only one either $15 or $20 tier, I'd be in for at least $40 and so would many others.



Having principles is immature? Alright then.

Yeah having principles about things like your Kickstarter backing policies. Yes that is immature.

Having principles regarding healthcare, voting, important things in life is mature.

 

[bananafactory]

IMO this whole crying over the tiers is a bit ridiculous. When I back a Kickstarter I take 2 things into consideration:

1. Does the product deserve my money?
2. Do the people making the product deserve my money?

This is a remake/update of a game I loved a decade ago. The group at Harmonix seem like a genuinely great team of people that care about this property. As such, I trust them to do what they need to with regards to tiers/pricing/rewards etc in order to fund this, I'm sure it is no easy task.

 

[Garrett Hawke]

Tempted to back it but I never played the original and I've been buying a lot of games recently. Hrm.

 

[hawk2025]

Completely wrong. Some people stick to their principles. Had their been only one either $15 or $20 tier, I'd be in for at least $40 and so would many others.



Having principles is immature? Alright then.

Certain arbitrary principles are absolutely a sign of immaturity, yes.

 

[PAULINK]

Completely wrong. Some people stick to their principles. Had their been only one either $15 or $20 tier, I'd be in for at least $40 and so would many others.

I'm not going to shit up the thread any longer but the reality is, why the fuck does it matter that there is an early supporter reward, if you were going to back $40? Principles do not abstain from logic.

 

[swordfishtrombones]

Can I interrupt this discussion about principles and tiers to mention that this twitch stream is pretty great?

 

[TAJ]

I'm not going to shit up the thread any longer but the reality is, why the fuck does it matter that there is an early supporter reward, if you were going to back $40. Principles do not abstain from logic.

Because he wasn't going to back at $40. Talk is cheap.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Can I interrupt this discussion about principles and tiers to mention that this twitch stream is pretty great?

WOO buying Amplitude at Sears with some bed sheets yo

 

[Arc]

Completely wrong. Some people stick to their principles. Had their been only one either $15 or $20 tier, I'd be in for at least $40 and so would many others.

Somehow I didn't notice this part of your post. Wow. Alrighty then.

So clearly you want this game, I think it is safe to assume that based on this post. But you won't support it because you didn't get a chance to save $5, even though you would have spent $40?

Do you not buy a whole gallon of milk because the half gallon is not on sale anymore and that's not fair to people who only wanted a half gallon?

I can't even.

 

[PAULINK]

Can I interrupt this discussion about principles and tiers to mention that this twitch stream is pretty great?

I'm still pushing for Alex Rigopulos to show up

 

[Tsundere]

IMO this whole crying over the tiers is a bit ridiculous. When I back a Kickstarter I take 2 things into consideration:

1. Does the product deserve my money?
2. Do the people making the product deserve my money?

This is a remake/update of a game I loved a decade ago. The group at Harmonix seem like a genuinely great team of people that care about this property. As such, I trust them to do what they need to with regards to tiers/pricing/rewards etc in order to fund this, I'm sure it is no easy task.

I backed at $15, and at $100.

 

[KalBalboa]

Keeping a few choice posts at the ready for some crow-eating potential:

No way this gets funded. Not a fucking chance

Number of relevant console IPs that have been tried to be revived through Kickstarter: 0.

775k for a PS exclusive music SHMUP?

Good luck.

it passed 150K. That prediction site says the chance of success is 1% now :\

So shit this isn't gonna happen.

I guess now we know why no publishers wanted to fund this.

4 days to go, still not even half funded. Dead as dead can be

This ain't gonna happen

http://sidekick.epfl.ch/campaign/131105520-amplitude

This, in particular, is smile inducing:

Sony owns the IP.

Don't expect a PC version.

At this rate don't expect a PS3 or PS4 version either.

Yep!
This has a 0% chance of happening.
Game over.

 

[SwiftDeath]

Netbook only version, Didn't see that coming

Spoiler

lol

 

[Petrie]

Somehow I didn't notice this part of your post. Wow. Alrighty then.

So clearly you want this game, I think it is safe to assume that based on this post. But you won't support it because you didn't get a chance to save $5, even though you would have spent $40?

Do you not buy a whole gallon of milk because the half gallon is not on sale anymore and that's not fair to people who only wanted a half gallon?

I can't even.

I won't back it because I don't like the method used. Yup. The same reason that though Walmart might have the product I want, I don't shop there because I disagree with their methods. It's based on principle. Will it make a difference? Who knows.

Certain arbitrary principles are absolutely a sign of immaturity, yes.

Nothing arbitrary about it. I back zero kickstarters who use this method. I disagree with it and won't support those who use it.

 

[abrack08]

Completely wrong. Some people stick to their principles. Had their been only one either $15 or $20 tier, I'd be in for at least $40 and so would many others.



Having principles is immature? Alright then.

It's just weird to be so stubborn about something that in this case doesn't make sense. You would back it for $40 for early access, but you won't because there was a limited/early bird tier for $15 (that you wouldn't have backed anyway) and a regular tier for $20 (that you wouldn't have backed anyway).

What's wrong with early adopters getting rewards anyway? It's pretty common. Are you not going to buy a 3DS until the Ambassador games are available and free to everyone? Do only pay matinee prices for movie tickets? Do you refuse to go to a concert to see a famous band because you could have seen them for free back in the day when they played in a garage or local bar?

As a company, why wouldn't you want to reward people who get in on the ground floor? Without early backers, this thing would be "lol no chance" and forgotten about instead of "Hey they might actually make it". The way it is now, they gave people a reason to back early and spread the word, but not too many so that they didn't lose out on a lot of funding. Makes sense for everyone involved really.

 

[bananafactory]

Hoping that Shuhei swoops in at the last minute and donates 100k

 

[Tsundere]

Nothing arbitrary about it. I back zero kickstarters who use this method. I disagree with it and won't support those who use it.

I'm secretly hoping that this game costs more than $20 when it releases to non-KickStarter users.

Well... so much for secretly

 

[Petrie]

It's just weird to be so stubborn about something that in this case doesn't make sense. You would back it for $40 for early access, but you won't because there was a limited/early bird tier for $15 (that you wouldn't have backed anyway) and a regular tier for $20 (that you wouldn't have backed anyway).

What's wrong with early adopters getting rewards anyway? It's pretty common. Are you not going to buy a 3DS until the Ambassador games are available and free to everyone? Do only pay matinee prices for movie tickets? Do you refuse to go to a concert to see a famous band because you could have seen them for free back in the day when they played in a garage or local bar?

None of these examples make sense. The ambassador games were available to everyone who bought the 3DS before a certain date. Matinee tickets are also available to anyone. The band one seems so out of place I don't even know how to approach it.

I'm secretly hoping that this game costs more than $20 when it releases to non-KickStarter users.

Well... so much for secretly

No issue for me. I'll wait till it drops to the price I'm now willing to pay. Which is $15.

 

[Dead Prince]

Hoping that Shuhei swoops in at the last minute and donates 100k

more like $100

 

[prag16]

Somehow I didn't notice this part of your post. Wow. Alrighty then.

So clearly you want this game, I think it is safe to assume that based on this post. But you won't support it because you didn't get a chance to save $5, even though you would have spent $40?

Do you not buy a whole gallon of milk because the half gallon is not on sale anymore and that's not fair to people who only wanted a half gallon?

I can't even.

I'm just a bystander (and may or may not purchase the game when it actually launches), but the one you quoted is what floored me...

Having principles can be commendable. But that shouldn't supercede using logic, especially for something so mundane as a kickstarter for a video game.

 

[Fallout-with-swords]

Hah, nah, it's a different thing. Black Friday doesn't just turn up completely unannounced, offering people who happen to be there a discount that no one else is entitled to.

I dunno, I don't think I'm being that weird for thinking it's a bit of a crap way to treat fans of the franchise. I can see why they did it, but I won't ever like it.

There are tons of flash sales on black Friday.

 

[gcubed]

Keeping a few choice posts at the ready for some crow-eating potential:

This, in particular, is smile inducing:

I didn't think it was going to pull it off, but the amount of glee when it looked like it wasn't going to happen... you don't have to worry though, you'll never see them in the thread again

 

[Christoff Yurievich]

It's $5.

Guys, just let him be faux-Internet-outraged, m'kay?

 

[hawk2025]

None of these examples make sense. The ambassador games were available to everyone who bought the 3DS before a certain date. Matinee tickets are also available to anyone. The band one seems so out of place I don't even know how to approach it.



No issue for me. I'll wait till it drops to the price I'm now willing to pay. Which is $15.

Trips to the supermarket to you must be very, VERY stressful.

 

[Tsundere]

No issue for me. I'll wait till it drops to the price I'm now willing to pay. Which is $15.

I hope it never drops to that point for you.

 

[Lord Error]

Keeping a few choice posts at the ready for some crow-eating potential:

It's been a while I was this happy to be so wrong.

 

[nicholasbrutal]

Stop arguing, you're making me sad.

 

[Petrie]

Trips to the supermarket to you must be very, VERY stressful.

Again, not the same at all. If the supermarket has a "deal" it is available to all, and if they run out I get a raincheck to get the item later.

It is specifically the limiting this item to only the first 1000 users at that price I take issue with as a method of funding. All these examples you keep pulling are silly.

I hope it never drops to that point for you.

Well then your hopes will never come true.

 

[okayfrog]

Trips to the supermarket to you must be very, VERY stressful.

Why would trips to the supermarket be stressful? Stores put out ads beforehand with advertised prices.

 

[PAULINK]

Stop arguing, you're making me sad.

We're sorry, are we going to see Rigopulos on the stream

 

[Petrie]

Why would trips to the supermarket be stressful? Stores put out ads beforehand with advertised prices.

I'm glad someone understands basic comparisons.