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[RoadHazard]

I wonder how 5.0 will run on the Nexus 4? Even though I'm planning on upgrading to the Nexus 6, I would still like to keep my Nexus 4 around as a backup phone.

How is 4.4 running on it? Shouldn't get any worse with L. On my N5 the L dev preview was at least as smooth as KK, even smoother in some cases. Sure, L requires a bit more GPU power due to the 3D stuff it does (with layers, shadows, etc), but I don't see the N4 having any issues with that.

 

[JVIDICAN]

Unless people on Verizon and AT&T found a way around the locked boot loader, that's not going to work. Otherwise I would have a 4.4.4 rom on my note 3 by now, but I don't.

Safestrap!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2794087

Got my ATT S5 rooted and a custom Rom installed.

 

[rouken]

so nexus 5 for November? too far away

 

[DarkFlow]

Safestrap!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2794087

Got my ATT S5 rooted and a custom Rom installed.

Not the same, while it's helpful, it's nowhere near as good as having access to the bootloader. I don't think you can even use Kernels, but I might be wrong there.

 

[gcubed]

edit nvm, maybe not

 

[clav]

Zero unless it's rooted and the development community takes interest.

I believe Android 4.4.x is the end of the line for Galaxy S3, Note II, and other phones of that generation.

Samsung really doesn't want repeat buyers.

 

[Javaman]

Man, I hope dude fixes xposed to be compatible with ART. It sucks not getting full use of greenify with the new runtime.

 

[BIGWORM]

Man, I hope dude fixes xposed to be compatible with ART. It sucks not getting full use of greenify with the new runtime.

You can't run Dalvik runtime?

 

[quesalupa]

nexus 5, nexus 6, nexus 7, nexus 9, nexus 10


google needs to figure out what they're doing with the nexus brand naming scheme lol
thats confusing as FUCK to someone who doesn't follow this stuff
try and put those devices in order from best to worst

Well 7 ate 9 get it!
Oh wait...

 

[Angst]

Man, I hope dude fixes xposed to be compatible with ART. It sucks not getting full use of greenify with the new runtime.

I expect him to make xposed ART compatible once he gets his hands on the release candidate of ART. AFAIK he said something about not wanting to do a lot of work for ART beta as the full release will change lots of things anyway, making it obsolete.
Edit: http://www.androidheadlines.com/201...future-is-with-art-and-its-a-way-off-yet.html

 

[Thoraxes]

This should be on the Galaxy S5 right?

I was about to ask the same thing lol

Only bought my first smartphone and android device in the S5 so I have no clue how this stuff works compared to iOS products.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Samsung really doesn't want repeat buyers.

Is this a joke? The S3 and Note II are more than 2 years old now. They aren't going to support old devices forever and Samsung has already supported their 2012 devices longer than any other OEM.

 

[Aldebaran]

I was about to ask the same thing lol

Only bought my first smartphone and android device in the S5 so I have no clue how this stuff works compared to iOS products.

The S5 will get L, but Samsung is quite slow with updates. Nexus, Motorola and GPE devices are the first to get the updates.

 

[BumblebeeCody]

Eh. It's interesting.

 

[Javaman]

You can't run Dalvik runtime?

I'm not sure if that's an option in lollypop. I'm using ART on CyanogenMod CM11 on a S3 and hadn't noticed anything broken apart from the exposed framework. There's a couple of games that aren't compatible (Final Fantasy's?) But I can't remember which ones.

 

[DarkFlow]

I expect him to make xposed ART compatible once he gets his hands on the release candidate of ART. AFAIK he said something about not wanting to do a lot of work for ART beta as the full release will change lots of things anyway, making it obsolete.
Edit: http://www.androidheadlines.com/201...future-is-with-art-and-its-a-way-off-yet.html

Hasn't ART been android for awhile now? I think since at least 4.3.

 

[Angst]

Hasn't ART been android for awhile now? I think since at least 4.3.

It has been there as an option, but not the default runtime until now. When you enable it you get a warning about it being pre-release and many apps doesn't work properly with it on.

 

[BIGWORM]

I'm not sure if that's an option in lollypop. I'm using ART on CyanogenMod CM11 on a S3 and hadn't noticed anything broken apart from the exposed framework. There's a couple of games that aren't compatible (Final Fantasy's?) But I can't remember which ones.

IIRC, I think Lollipop aims to replace Dalvik RT completely. Like you, I use Exposed Framework, and will miss fully utilizing Greenify, among other apps.

 

[Mindwipe]

Hasn't ART been android for awhile now? I think since at least 4.3.

Yes, but it's changed quite significantly between now and then.

 

[Zoopa]

Motorola confirmed it's coming to most of their devices as well.

Moto X (1st Gen. & 2nd Gen.)
Moto G (1st Gen. & 2nd Gen.)
Moto G with 4G LTE
Moto E
Droid Ultra, Droid Maxx, and Droid Mini

http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/10/its-official-android-50-lollipop-coming.html

Now I love my 1st Gen. Moto G even more

 

[Antiwhippy]

Oh man, so my kinda shitty first gen nexus 7 is gonna get the update? Sweet.

If nothing else I hope it improves the battery life.

 

[Femmeworth]

I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4. It's still running 4.4.2. Will I ever get 5.0? I just read that Samsung is pretty bad about updates.

 

[slider]

Having finally got around to upgrading my phone, Sony better be snappy with an update for the Z3.

 

[glaurung]

I have a Samsung Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4. It's still running 4.4.2. Will I ever get 5.0? I just read that Samsung is pretty bad about updates.

All Android device manufacturers are very bad about updates. That is why I dread buying an Xperia phone - knowing that I might not get an Android update 16 months down the line. This manner of planned obsolescence in consumer devices is really off-putting and the gap is closing for Apple too.

Lollipop looks nice, at least in its stock format. Looking forward to see how Samsung manages to completely fuck it with their take.

 

[Femmeworth]

All Android device manufacturers are very bad about updates. That is why I dread buying an Xperia phone - knowing that I might not get an Android update 16 months down the line. This manner of planned obsolescence in consumer devices is really off-putting and the gap is closing for Apple too.

Lollipop looks nice, at least in its stock format. Looking forward to see how Samsung manages to completely fuck it with their take.

:\ It's not something I was thinking about when I bought it. I'm new to Android and tablets so I didn't know it was an issue.

 

[Thoraxes]

The S5 will get L, but Samsung is quite slow with updates. Nexus, Motorola and GPE devices are the first to get the updates.

Thank you very much!

 

[Aiii]

All Android device manufacturers are very bad about updates. That is why I dread buying an Xperia phone - knowing that I might not get an Android update 16 months down the line. This manner of planned obsolescence in consumer devices is really off-putting and the gap is closing for Apple too.

Lollipop looks nice, at least in its stock format. Looking forward to see how Samsung manages to completely fuck it with their take.

Just go Nexus, day 1 updates, stock experience.

Really doesn't get much better than that.

 

[linkboy]

You can't run Dalvik runtime?

Lollipop only supports ART and xposed won't be updated until ART goes final and the developer didn't want to make it compatible with an outdated version.

 

[JMDSO]

: It's not something I was thinking about when I bought it. I'm new to Android and tablets so I didn't know it was an issue.

Honestly? It's so much easier to root Android devices and install custom ROMs than it is to wait for device manufacturers to get off their asses.

 

[pronk420]

I hope they update the features of the non-gmail email app and not just the UI, as it is its completely useless to me and I have to use K9 which looks like it was designed in 2001 or something.

i haven't seen them mention any new features for mail though i know they want to push gmail but some of us have no choice for work, and the current mail app makes android rubbish for work email.

 

[Pankratous]

I haven't even got 4.4.4 on my Xperia Z despite it supposedly being released for the phone over a month ago. Here's hoping Sony are quick with this one.

 

[glaurung]

Just go Nexus, day 1 updates, stock experience.

Really doesn't get much better than that.

Yup, that would be the best solution, but I seriously dislike the Nexus hardware design. I find it to be the most generic, dull, uninspired device design since ever.

Xperia Z2/Z3 hardware design is beyond über, it's just perfect. But the software side is still iffy.

I swear to god, I have been expecting Android to figure itself out for three years now. And it just isn't happening.

 

[plainr_]

Device sharing is my dream come true. I've been asking for this since the beginning of time.

 

[BertramCooper]

Lollipop looks nice, at least in its stock format. Looking forward to see how Samsung manages to completely fuck it with their take.

Assuming TouchWiz maintains a similar appearance, it's going to be super jarring for Samsung users when jumping from Material-based Google stock apps to fugly TouchWiz crap.

I wish Samsung would restrain themselves, but we all know that's not going to happen.

 

[AuthenticM]

I hope Cyanogen packages that shit and puts it out for my old Galaxy Nexus.

 

[jwhit28]

All Android device manufacturers are very bad about updates. That is why I dread buying an Xperia phone - knowing that I might not get an Android update 16 months down the line. This manner of planned obsolescence in consumer devices is really off-putting and the gap is closing for Apple too.

Lollipop looks nice, at least in its stock format. Looking forward to see how Samsung manages to completely fuck it with their take.

Motorola has pretty much been right there with Google Play Edition devices and that doesn't seem to have changed even with the sale to Lenovo.

 

[BrokenIcarus]

Are there any benchmarks showing art vs dalvik performance?

 

[Fatalah]

Motorola has pretty much been right there with Google Play Edition devices and that doesn't seem to have changed even with the sale to Lenovo.

Sale isn't final yet, but Lenovo should be smart enough to keep the "enlightened" Moto train rolling.

 

[RoadHazard]

Assuming TouchWiz maintains a similar appearance, it's going to be super jarring for Samsung users when jumping from Material-based Google stock apps to fugly TouchWiz crap.

I wish Samsung would restrain themselves, but we all know that's not going to happen.

Yep, and that's the experience most Android users are gonna have, giving them the impression that that's how Android IS. I'm so, so annoyed at Samsung for continuing to ruin the public impression of Android year after year. If only all these oblivious people actually knew what they're subjecting themselves to and what other options are out there...

 

[Drac]

Any words from Sony on the Xperia Z series ? I love my Z1 Compact as is but I sure wouldn't mind the update.

 

[Phoenix]

IIRC, I think Lollipop aims to replace Dalvik RT completely. Like you, I use Exposed Framework, and will miss fully utilizing Greenify, among other apps.

It absolutely relegates Dalvik to trash status.

 

[rocketskates]

Honestly? It's so much easier to root Android devices and install custom ROMs than it is to wait for device manufacturers to get off their asses.

Theres even apps now that install the ROMs for you!



Once again..... Root people root!

 

[BoboBrazil]

L doesn't even include dalvik does it?

 

[Femmeworth]

Honestly? It's so much easier to root Android devices and install custom ROMs than it is to wait for device manufacturers to get off their asses.

I'm aware that is something I could do but I don't want to void my warranty just yet.

 

[iamvin22]

I hate when they say "in the coming weeks". Just tell me, dammit!

this on every damn level. stop this "in the coming weeks" bs.

 

[iamvin22]

Theres even apps now that install the ROMs for you!



Once again..... Root people root!

i have a GS5 att carrier. do you have a link for rooting and roms installation for dummies?


edit: damn it double post.

 

[clav]

Is this a joke? The S3 and Note II are more than 2 years old now. They aren't going to support old devices forever and Samsung has already supported their 2012 devices longer than any other OEM.

Do you work for Samsung?

The fact the update works on Nexus 4 is a huge slap in the face.

Equivalent to saying it's a joke that people with Core 2/Quad Core need to buy the latest i7 just to browse the web.

 

[SimleuqiR]

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...p-on-nov-3rd-other-devices-later-in-november/

Get your ADBs ready!!

We have a reliable source (two, in fact) telling us that the first over-the-air updated to Android Lollipop will come not to the Nexus 4 or 5, but to the Nexus 7 (2012), Nexus 7 (2013 Wi-Fi), and Nexus 10. Why? Because they're all Wi-Fi device - supposedly hardware with cellular data will have to wait a bit longer to get the OTA, meaning the Nexus 4, 5, and 2013 Nexus 7 with LTE will be stuck a bit longer waiting for the L update. The updates for the Wi-Fi devices will arrive on November 3rd.

 

[DarkFlow]

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...p-on-nov-3rd-other-devices-later-in-november/

Get your ADBs ready!!

Woohoo!

 

[Dead Prince]

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...p-on-nov-3rd-other-devices-later-in-november/

Get your ADBs ready!!

i assume other devices will get it around november 3 when the new N devices are sold in store.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=134464673&highlight=#post134464673

i'm totes the source /s