The Faceless Master
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you are some kind of God, i agree with you on Duarte. well, maybe we agree, what do you think about his outfits? i think his pimp hand is strong when it comes to attire.
to think it isn't a factor is equally so.
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-Pyromaniac-
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come on. The SD card isn't a factor. It, at best, is only a factor to the savvy type crowd which is a far minority of galaxy owners.
Samsung sells a shitton because their marketing is astronomic and they are in every carrier. Follow that with a solid product and that's all you need. Apple sells more iPhones overall and it doesn't have any of that, so you can argue more people don't want added storage.
In the end it's a false equivalency or whatever you want to call it. The more tech savvy people might prefer it, some don't care, whereas it's safe to say the majority or casual phone buyers probably don't know and don't give a shit.
OriginalThinking
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Wrong. Certainly on the removable batteries. Also on the storage. Because both those factors have tremendously damaged iPhone sales.
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The Faceless Master
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but that was never an option for the iPhone. it's no coincidence that these other guys are selling less and less while Samsung is selling more and more as they remove options and Samsung stays the course. They, like you, applied the false logic that "it works for Apple and their iOS device, thus it works for my Android device" and failed.
-Pyromaniac-
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And like I said, it's more because samsung is literally THE SINGLE ONLY manufacturer selling on all carriers and has marketing that matches apples in terms of being everywhere all the time.
That's the difference. HTC can't do it to save their lives and their marketing is non-existent. Sony always late, also no marketing, at least not in NA. Samsung is the only one doing that stuff. I mean look at web traffic stats, until recently samsung was being dominated on apple on phone web traffic. Casual buyers aren't even using their phone to use the internet, casual buyers just don't do much with their phones so it doesn't matter to them.
There isn't another single manufacturer that is able to release + market their product as effectively as samsung, so until someone does that, there is nothing to compare it to on the android side. HTC has wayyyyyy more problems than not including sd storage. You think if they did suddenly they'd sell notably more? It's all small potatoes.
That's the difference. HTC can't do it to save their lives and their marketing is non-existent. Sony always late, also no marketing, at least not in NA. Samsung is the only one doing that stuff. I mean look at web traffic stats, until recently samsung was being dominated on apple on phone web traffic. Casual buyers aren't even using their phone to use the internet, casual buyers just don't do much with their phones so it doesn't matter to them.
There isn't another single manufacturer that is able to release + market their product as effectively as samsung, so until someone does that, there is nothing to compare it to on the android side. HTC has wayyyyyy more problems than not including sd storage. You think if they did suddenly they'd sell notably more? It's all small potatoes.
OriginalThinking
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No, you applied the false logic that the masses care about removable batteries and expandable storage. They don't care about removable batteries and some people like the idea of expandable storage, but only if the internal memory isn't large enough to store what they want. It might be anecdotal but I sell phones for a living (well my team does). The vast majority of people don't care about expandable storage, just that they have enough room to store photos and some music. It's nowhere near as big a buying decision as you are trying to make out. The hardcore care though, and unsurprisingly the hardcore are always the most vocal. I'm not saying that I particularly agree with Android having no expandable storage on Nexus devices, but the Nexus brand is no longer the preserve of developers and tech geeks. With the Nexus 7 and now the Nexus 4, Google are going after the mainstream.
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Following in pursuit of those HTC Rumors yesterday we now have this on GL Benchmark...
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LG-E940
It appears to be a 1080p phone running some multicore arch @ 1.5ghz. Curiously it's only running Android 4.1.2. Surprised since LG is making the current Nexus model that this new device doesn't also have 4.2. Also I wonder if it's skinned? What is LG's Skin even called?
GL Benchmark
LG-E940
It appears to be a 1080p phone running some multicore arch @ 1.5ghz. Curiously it's only running Android 4.1.2. Surprised since LG is making the current Nexus model that this new device doesn't also have 4.2. Also I wonder if it's skinned? What is LG's Skin even called?
-Pyromaniac-
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Yeah I saw that. Early next year is going to be the great clusterfuck of 1080p phones. Should be funny.
The Faceless Master
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Optimus UI
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
I'm going to hold out for my 4k resolution phone I think. lol
OriginalThinking
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Ignore this stuff...
Jayayess1190
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OriginalThinking
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The top and bottom bezel of that phone (Is it a phone or just a screen prototype/mockup?) are insanely small.
The Faceless Master
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lmaooooooo
Blow my mind, Huawei
the bezel we've all been waiting for?
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
My One X(L) Kernel/ROM/Performance info for those that care.
Thats definitely going to have onscreen buttons. Goddamn. Interesting though if they can minimize the bezel enough to get a 6.1" screen on a phone with the body dimensions of a Note 2.
-Pyromaniac-
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LOL at 4,000 mah battery. Good lorddd.
Unknown Soldier
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Let's see if Huawei is actually going to compete on software with Samsung and if they will also include a stylus with that thing. The DROID DNA is proof that a big phone is just a big phone. The Note series are much more than just phones, they add immense value through the stylus and the TouchWiz features.
Unknown Soldier
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This is a something that a lot of people don't realize about Samsung. People harp on the plastic shell on Samsung devices but nobody is better on internal hardware design than Samsung are. The Note II has a removable battery that is 50% bigger than the DROID DNA's sealed battery, it has a microSD slot, it has a 0.5" bigger screen, it has space to store a stylus in it's shell, and yet the DNA is actually thicker than the Note II. The wonderful High-Tech Computer Corporation.
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
That phone looks sweet.
As for the SD and battery comments, look, the S3 might have those. But if it didn't, it wouldn't matter. It would still sell like crazy. People don't care about that stuff, for the most part. See the iPhone, whose top selling model is the lowest storage one. Your wants and needs are different than the general public. And let's face it: Android's future is going to model Apple more and more.
I also don't think Matias is infallible but he sees Android as more consumer friendly than most here. You might think SD cards aren't confusing but they are. Maybe if Android only allowed media to be stored on there, things would be better. As is, apps and whatever else stick random data in there. It's just one more thing to think about that I shouldn't need to.
I'm not saying get rid of those things completely. I'm saying the face of Android (a Nexus phone) shouldn't have those things.
As for the SD and battery comments, look, the S3 might have those. But if it didn't, it wouldn't matter. It would still sell like crazy. People don't care about that stuff, for the most part. See the iPhone, whose top selling model is the lowest storage one. Your wants and needs are different than the general public. And let's face it: Android's future is going to model Apple more and more.
I also don't think Matias is infallible but he sees Android as more consumer friendly than most here. You might think SD cards aren't confusing but they are. Maybe if Android only allowed media to be stored on there, things would be better. As is, apps and whatever else stick random data in there. It's just one more thing to think about that I shouldn't need to.
I'm not saying get rid of those things completely. I'm saying the face of Android (a Nexus phone) shouldn't have those things.
Devolution
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Just got an android phone, I saw a link earlier in the thread to app and widget recommendations days ago, does anyone have that handy?
The Faceless Master
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+ some stuff on Glass
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...acebook-twitter-an-androidhome-card-and-more/
Android Police once again with some actual journalism. why is it always them?
well, you can just ask about apps here and we'll answer, just ask about what kind of apps or functions, and you can also ask in the Apps for Android thread, and the OP of that thread also has a link to the PlayBoard app, which is an app recommendation and discovery app and that has a bunch of our favorite apps listed with descriptions and screenshots and Play Store download links so you can browse thru and install the apps right from your phone.
Devolution
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This is what I needed. Other than that I'll definitely ask, thanks!
shinshoryuken
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Did that set up...let see how it goes.
Kiraly
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HTC Butterfly announced for Europe, with SD card slot.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-butterfly/#specs
But goddaamn at that Huawei, will it ever stop
I'll wait till CES and then I'll fucking choose something for christ sakes
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-butterfly/#specs
But goddaamn at that Huawei, will it ever stop
I'll wait till CES and then I'll fucking choose something for christ sakes
Unknown Soldier
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B-but, what about Matias's Vision?! What will we do now now that HTC has sullied it?! All those poor people who buy this phone will be so confused by the additional external storage option!
I, and I would presume most people, want it for their music, their pictures, their videos and perhaps things like downloaded maps. I never spent a second thinking about what any app puts on it. I don't think many people do.
I think you are only confused by this, because you know too much and thus think about things the general public or even many enthusiasts don't consider at all.
The Faceless Master
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why would they want to associate their new device with a dead brand?
I like the One brand. Why can't these phone makers copy German car's naming system?
Well fuck the One brand, just call it the HD3.
OriginalThinking
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Honestly, you are starting to get a bit over dramatic now. You may not agree with his decision on micro SD cards (I understand his logic, but I'd prefer a choice). But his reason was reasonably sound for the average consumer.
Duarte said:
That logic makes complete sense to me. As a power user, the micro SD card is something which is neither confusing nor complicated, and personally I'd prefer the choice. But for the average consumer it can be more complicated. I work in a job where from time to time people do get confused about where there pictures or music are stored, particularly when they need to return a phone for whatever reason. And sometimes that means digging around in a file manager to see where stuff is. Which is time consuming and frustrating (for me, never mind the customer). Honestly you'd be amazed at the amount of people who use smartphones who know very little about technology. There are whole generations out there who barely know how to operate computers. And even when you tell them simply to bluetooth music and pictures to their new phone you get blank looks. Don't even get me started on POS that is Kies. My only gripe with Nexus devices is the lack of internal storage. At the very least there should be a 32gig variant. The main vent of frustration with Android users looking to purchase a Nexus isn't necessarily the lack of a micro SD card, it's the lack of internal space that would be alleviated with a micro SD card. Release a Nexus with 64gb and there would still be a few people who would complain, but the chatter would be much smaller. This is all about moving Android from the sphere of "Android is for geeks and too complicated", to "Android is fun and simple to use". Yes the hardcore may not like it, but it's a step which had to be taken. People get way too emotional about stuff like this, when the decision is a logical one, based on scientific studies of customer behaviour and not just random people spouting off on Internet message boards.
HTC Butterfly announced for Europe, with SD card slot.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-butterfly/#specs
But goddaamn at that Huawei, will it ever stop
I'll wait till CES and then I'll fucking choose something for christ sakes
I think this is for the Chinese market, looking at the HSPA bands. Most Euro phones would be 1900/2100 (or quadband). Even still, the phone says "Taipei", and HTC always used "London" to signify a phone for the European market.
Vanillalite
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On a side note after checking my pics making sure they posted last night I noticed I forgot to toggle the set on boot. So yeah if you don't go back in and click the set on boot the values are going to revert to stock if/when you reboot.
So I assume you downloaded the new version 6 verses your old version? You can only use this on the CM Rom though right? Doesn't Clean ROM being Sense based need a Sense Kernel? How does that work when you want to switch between the two ROMs?
BootlegSnackz
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HTC Butterfly announced for Europe, with SD card slot.
http://www.htc.com/www/smartphones/htc-butterfly/#specs
But goddaamn at that Huawei, will it ever stop
I'll wait till CES and then I'll fucking choose something for christ sakes
but does it have LTE?? i don't mean officially. I mean like the Nexus 4
maybe the Nexus 4 only has LTE (for band 4) because it was using basically the same exact innards as the Optimus G
so this butterfly probably doesn't have it.
BootlegSnackz
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this is NeoGAF dude
shinshoryuken
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On a side note after checking my pics making sure they posted last night I noticed I forgot to toggle the set on boot. So yeah if you don't go back in and click the set on boot the values are going to revert to stock if/when you reboot.
So I assume you downloaded the new version 6 verses your old version? You can only use this on the CM Rom though right? Doesn't Clean ROM being Sense based need a Sense Kernel? How does that work when you want to switch between the two ROMs?
Didn't work for me with the latest cm10 nightly... I was getting force reboot.
Maybe cause I didn't do a clean install.
I'm able to switch back and forth between cm10 and cleanrom because I have a back up of each one.
Debating whether to go the iPhone and Nexus 7 route or Android phone and iPad Mini route. I do want to somehow maintain all the iOS apps and absolutely need the group chatting/imessages on iOS. But I also wish iOS had a better integration of Google Talk. Trying to decide what's more important lol. Really hate the separate text for everything when all my friends have a group chat going on iOS. But I also hate the delay with Beejive when using Google Talk.
now its just gotten silly and i can't tell if you're being serious.
-Pyromaniac-
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android phone and ipad mini, the mini is fantastic and android phones are grrrrrrrrreat.
Holy Shit I cannot stand my phone anymore. My Galaxy S2 has literally been restarting itself every five minutes for the past few weeks. It is infuriating. There doesn't seem to be any reliable fix either. And to top it off whenever it restarts the battery magically loses 40% or so of it's charge and then the battery level starts climbing, so weird. Does anyone know of anything I can do? If I can't solve this problem today I am done with the phone, it sucks.
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