brotkasten
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Started on WebOS, went to Windows Phone, abandoned their paid users without warning and finally landed on Android, even though it's few months late.
Say 'hi' to Carbon, everyone.
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Started on WebOS, went to Windows Phone, abandoned their paid users without warning and finally landed on Android, even though it's few months late.
Say 'hi' to Carbon, everyone.
The Faceless Master
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year late iirc
Better call Saul! Playing the same character.
Enjoyed that commercial for whatever reason.
Shut it!
Sleeplessnights
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I didn't know it was paid on Windows Phone. Wow.
Vanillalite
Ask me about the GAF Notebook
Hey don't be a hater!
Johnny Dazzle
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Charging paused. Voltage too high.
Urgh, this is driving me crazy
Edit: the image works but I don't think it's displaying. Posting from phone.
I'm going to back Xenon HD, it's been months and months after staying on AOKP. They just add the PIE in their latest stable version
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/25970-rom-xenonhd-stable-40-030213/
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/25970-rom-xenonhd-stable-40-030213/
Same, Falcon Pro is just great. I have no desire to try Carbon now.
Sleeplessnights
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Trying it is not that big of a deal, it's how bare-bone it is in terms of options that is really stupid.
Ok, thanks a lot, it worked!
Bboy AJ
My dog was murdered by a 3.5mm audio port and I will not rest until the standard is dead
My Nexus 10 is here! Man, the aspect ratio really does feel like crap compared to an iPad. The buttons being at the bottom of the screen, like a phone, also suck.
Going to install Paranoid on this thing.
It's great to be done with iOS.
Going to install Paranoid on this thing.
It's great to be done with iOS.
16:10 actually works well for 7" or so tablets... makes 10" awkward to hold
Noone to blame but themselves. I was pretty much buying that they may have figured things out in early 2012 when they announced they were unifying behind the One series as a single device.
But then they broke that vow before it even came to market by splitting it into the One X, the EVO-LTE, and the One S, the One V and the the One X+ a few months later and then a Butterfly out of nowhere, followed by abandoning the name 'One' altogether in 2013 by going with this new M7 name; So much for building a brand! And of course theres the seemingly random insistance on not moving up in battery capacity like every other OEM, and don't get me started on the problems with rooting and the device update support which everyone else seems to be improving except for HTC. Oh, and where is the advertising? Ohhh thats right.... when you don't establish a premium cohesive brand, you aren't able to effectively advertise because all your devices have wildly different designs and names! GG!
I will give them that Sense 4 was lighter, and a step in the right direction, and that the OneX is a gorgeous phone that is well designed. Also the LCD2/LCD3 screen tech is the best in the industry right now as well. But they have consistently missed every other metric for like 2 years. Time for them to step aside for Sony who has been doing nothing but improving those last 2 years.
zomgbbqftw
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Wow, they are pinning their turnaround on markets like Burma and Laos. That's not a good strategy.
The problem for them is that in China the local mainland manufacturers are doing fine and Samsung and Sony are making inroads, but they seem to be in reverse. In Vietnam they have fallen behind Sony and Samsung and in Thailand they are in third place as well. In India they are well behind Samsung and Sony, HTC have a bad reputation in India so I don't see them making any kind of impact there. They just closed their Latin American regional sales office last year so they aren't even bothering with the massive growth markets like Brazil, Colombia, Bolivia and Chile while Samsung hoover up market share and Sony release dedicated devices like the ZQ for Brazil to take advantage of the newly build LTE network that the middle classes want to use.
Honestly this company is done. I think they will end up selling to someone like Toshiba who have been looking to expand their handset division outside of Japan, or to a complete unknown Chinese mainland brand who will get a state backed loan to buy HTC and repatriate it to the mainland.
Even though the Galaxy and Xperia brands are a bit of a mess with the naming, they are both brands in their own right now, when someone says Xperia they are talking about a Sony smartphone and when someone says Galaxy the same is true for Samsung. A company name should never be used as the main branding tool, using HTC was a poor decision from the start, it doesn't roll of the tongue like Galaxy or Xperia, and it makes the phones hard to market.
The "One" idea was poor as well, Desire was the best brand HTC had. They should have kept that as their Galaxy and released the Sensation as the Desire S, the One X as the Desire S2 and built their premium line around the Desire like Samsung build their premium line around the original Galaxy.
The one series are good ideas, they should keep doing it.
One X, X2, X3 ... unbranded HTC flagship
One S, S2, S3 ... same innards as the X but with a smaller screen.
One V .... unbranded HTC cheap phone.
Other carrier specific phones should have different names and different shapes.
One X, X2, X3 ... unbranded HTC flagship
One S, S2, S3 ... same innards as the X but with a smaller screen.
One V .... unbranded HTC cheap phone.
Other carrier specific phones should have different names and different shapes.
Lagspike_exe
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Oh, wow, HTC focusing on emerging markets sellng phone with razor thin margins. That's one of the dumbest things they could have done. And their problem isn't the naming, it's the fact that their phones suck.
-Pyromaniac-
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Didn't you guys hear though? The M7 is gonna have a sick camera!!!!111!
HTC screwed.
HTC screwed.
-Pyromaniac-
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Sense will always be the worst thing. And they always get blasted for it every year, and every year they promise to slim it down. They need to take a bigger step with that already.
Lagspike_exe
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Making big steps takes time. Sony sucked in 2010, improved in 2011 and started making serious phones and software in 2012. I bought a Sony in 2010. but I didn't know any other Xperia owners back then. Fast forward 3 years, I own a new Xperia, my sister switched from HTC to Xperia and a friend of mine whom I showed my phone went to a store and bought a brand new Xperia S, mainly thanks to the great value and awesome Android skin. Stuff like Walkman makes a huge difference. Samsung and Sony are the prime choice for most people right now, HTC is losing marketshare as fast as Nokia a year ago. They need a rapid strategy shift and their choice to focus on cheap phones is the worst choice they could have made. The Chinese phone makers will obliterate them.
Lagspike_exe
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Yeah, an X10 Mini Pro.
I wish I had a time machine, that was one of the worst phone choices I ever made. The sofware was awful and the build quality unrivaled in terms of being terribile.brotkasten
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It was $1.99 with a trial mode, which is actually pretty fair, because apparently it was a good client (never used it).
But then the developer abandoned it 7 months later, because he wasn't happy with the user numbers. Not sure what he expected, after coming from WebOS and (re)launching exclusively on Windows Phone.
It was supposed to come out in September.
Vanillalite
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Needs some touch up to get the disclaimer out, but I nabbed this screen shot from the extended video just for you GAF!
Giant Phablets!
Giant Phablets!
Johnny Dazzle
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Charging paused. Voltage too high.
Urgh, this is driving me crazy
Edit: the image works but I don't think it's displaying. Posting from phone.
Okay, now it works. I've been getting this for about a week now, but it's slowly getting more extreme. Oddly enough, it went away for a few hours yesterday afternoon only to return later that night. I've tried other batteries and I get the same issue. On top of this, my screen has been "flashing". It's like one of those old CRT monitors that have flashing lines when you scroll or something.
Kill Your Masters
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/02/04/stock-android-isnt-perfect-jelly-bean-4-2-edition/
Now when someone points all this stuff out it's obvious that Android needs bigger and faster upgrades to 'get there'. Far from perfect but at least in my case, the huge (good) changes from GB to ICS clouded my judgement a bit.
Now when someone points all this stuff out it's obvious that Android needs bigger and faster upgrades to 'get there'. Far from perfect but at least in my case, the huge (good) changes from GB to ICS clouded my judgement a bit.
so much truth, especially the Music disorganization and transparent thumb needing to use camera
I'm sure someone G+ this article onto Mr. Duarte's feed...right?
The Faceless Master
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the tech media slams every skin. why should HTC listen when the tech media says the same thing about TouchWiz?
-Pyromaniac-
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sense by far gets blasted the most though, more than touchwiz. I think people are warming up to touchwiz in the media, or at least are less mindful of it compared to a year ago, whereas everyone hates Sense like always.
Sense is factually more bloated than touchwiz. It's simply worse. They deserve the blasting it gets. Any time I see the multitasking screen I just let out a big SIGHHHH. Such stupid stuff going on in that skin.
Just look at these 2 as an example:
Verge one X review: http://www.theverge.com/2012/4/2/2919202/htc-one-x-review
Verge Galaxy S3 review: http://www.theverge.com/2012/5/25/3042640/samsung-galaxy-s-iii-review
Sense gets blasted, more of a liability than an asset they say. Whereas for Touchwiz they simply state that it's still there and yeah it's no stock and you gotta get used to it, but it also mentions that it the tweaks to android are mostly good. It's like this in a lot of places. Sense is just not well received like...at all. Never was outside of people complimenting general aesthetics.
Excellent article, the author did a piece of what was wrong with 4.1 last year.
I imagine Maps is getting the iOS visual design for KLP.
I hope very limited... because while it looks nice its a usability burden
Vanillalite
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Here you go
Sweet thanks! LoL
zomgbbqftw
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Yeah, Samsung actually listened to a lot of the criticism of TouchWiz and toned it down a bit for the Note 2 and GS3. HTC seem to be impervious to all criticism of Sense. They think it's awesome, and I think this attitude comes from Peter Chou, he made HTC a big success with these tactics and now seems to think he can do no wrong.
We'll see what they bring for the next phone, but I would be surprised if they released a light, nimble overlay like Sony or even tone it down like Samsung. The direction they are taking seems like an impossible one.
What's worse is that the reason HTC are locking down their devices is that people are highly motivated to get rid of Sense, and in doing so they get rid of HTC's ecosystem apps which are attached to their stores.
HTC as a company are done. If you have any stock, sell it.
-Pyromaniac-
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The thing that really bugs me about Sense compared to other skins, and lots of the media seems to agree these days. It's that with TouchWiz, most of the biggest changes to android actually add functionality, like multi-window and all that. Whereas with Sense, 99% of the differences are for absolutely no fucking reason other than to make things worse.
But yeah I actually used to like HTC quite a bit, but now I'm at a point where I can't imagine ever wanting to buy one of their products, despite having an appealing thing or 2.
But yeah I actually used to like HTC quite a bit, but now I'm at a point where I can't imagine ever wanting to buy one of their products, despite having an appealing thing or 2.
Lagspike_exe
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To me personaly, even more baffling decision than pursuing Sense is the fact that HTC does not release tablets. I really have no idea why did they made such a decision considering just how important tablet market is. And not to mention how much it adds to the value of your eco system.
I guess they spend alot less R&D dollar than...the rest of the Asian OEM.
The Faceless Master
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<3 that website
They released two IIRC. There really isn't any big money in the tablet market yet which is why they are choosing to abstain from it.
Lagspike_exe
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I know about that 7" Flyer or whatever it's called. And even making no money on them it's a great way to familiarize more people with your brand and it's USPs and to get them to buy your phones.
Did Google ChromeOS always use the same icon from Android (Gingerbread) for the apps draw?
Also...UNIVERSAL MESSAGING IS COMING
Also...UNIVERSAL MESSAGING IS COMING
to ChromeOS
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