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[Phat Michael]

The internet's obsession with Anita Sarkeesian is INSANE. Why would you spend your time hating on something so fucking much? I just don't get it...

If you read the website link they say they are not going to attack her and want to keep it professional. The goal seems to be to show the other side if the story other than hers. I have no problem with this if it brings some balance to the story.

 

[Palette Swap]

I'm curious how far into the 6 figures her self selected salary is

This is another core math joke, right?

 

[cRIPticon]

Reading is hard.

Exactly!

 

[Rats Off To Ya]

If you read the website link they say they are not going to attack her and want to keep it professional. The goal seems to be to show the other side if the story other than hers. I have no problem with this if it brings some balance to the story.

One of them is a self-professed white nationalist. I have no interest in his idea of "balance."

 

[foltzie1]

Not to imply that it is, but its definitely something that can be produced very easily. Like I said to simply produce the video IE film and edit it, I could probably do it in 1-2 days with proper knowledge of the filming software that I'm using. The long part would be the research that goes into it, and people have very different ways of churning out that content.

Does the 1-2 days include recording all of the game segments? There is a lot of B-roll being made for these videos. Some of it could be ripped from other sources, but I would wager these games are being played by someone as part of this project.

 

[Wiktor]

More staff seems like a good idea. She makes interesting points in her videos, but tey sometimes get undermined by picking up wrong examples.

 

[Jarate]

Does the 1-2 days include recording all of the game segments? There is a lot of B-roll being made for these videos. Some of it could be ripped from other sources, but I would wager these games are being played by someone as part of this project.

Nah, I'm talking about specifically the filming and editing only. The b-roll footage would most likely be taken when doing the research itself.

 

[Relaxed Muscle]

If you read the website link they say they are not going to attack her and want to keep it professional. The goal seems to be to show the other side if the story other than hers. I have no problem with this if it brings some balance to the story.

Overview
The Sarkeesian Effect will be a feature-length documentary covering an ongoing phenomenon in video game and tech circles, culminating in the recent outrage known as #GamerGate: the progressive infiltration by disingenuous “Social Justice Warriors” – individuals who claim high minded ideals while operating unethically.

The goal of this film will be three-fold:
1. To introduce #GamerGate to a wider audience of non-gamers.
2. To give a voice to those who have been victimized by the Social Justice “moral authority”.
3. To fully expose the depths of this corruption.

Yeah, right, I expect this to be anything except "balanced".

 

[foltzie1]

She is effecting game companies already like EA and Bioware.

Fixed that for you.

Spoiler

Yes I mean to use effect as a verb

LoV
Banned
(Today, 11:42 AM)

Schadenfreude.

 

[cRIPticon]

Nah, I'm talking about specifically the filming and editing only. The b-roll footage would most likely be taken when doing the research itself.

And, as I wrote before, this is entirely wrong for the amount of video produced. Sorry, but it you could effectively film and edit that many minutes of video in 2 days, then you should be up to your eyeballs in contract work.

EDIT: Back on topic. I applaud FF for disclosing the breakdown of funds, I don't find them unreasonable, and, even though I may disagree with many of her assertions, I do think that she is helping the industry to expand their consideration of an expanding and diverse audience.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

Slightly OT, but how does Kickstarter handle not delivering on promises normally?

They don't. They leave it entirely up to the backers to initiate legal proceedings, something that comes with quite a few financial hurdles of its own. To date I don't think anybody's ever successfully sued creators of a failed Kickstarter and gotten their money back. the Terms of Service for KS has some vague junk about making a reasonable effort to please backers but there are zero consequences from Kickstarter itself for launching, funding and then failing to deliver a product.

There's a ton of latitude in 'making a reasonable effort' and it's entirely dependent on the satisfaction of backers. Certainly backers may demand a refund but Kickstarter can't force anybody to give money back once the funding has gone through.

Given that I think asking for a refund from FF or Anita would be a very hard sell.

 

[truly101]

You realize critics tore into slasher movies for decades and they are still being made, right? (Thank god, I love 'em!) The stuff you like isn't going to disappear just because of one critic.

I still have yet to figure out what is so hard to understand about this, yet idiots treat her like some Defcon 1 level threat.

 

[foltzie1]

DAT salary & wages...
It's not a good sign to show vague numbers.

Do you want to know where the FF staff had lunch?

 

[Puaru1]

I know some of you are saying it's her right to pocket all that money since she put out a couple hours of content, but I think that would undermine her message and prove her detractors right.

It's better that she's continuing to make good on her goal to finish, and I respect her for not just saying "fuck it, i got paid, i made some videos, peace". I personally would of been scared off by the death threats (for every 1000 fake threats made by internet tough guys, one could be from a legit crazy person) and would of just disappeared.

I don't agree with her message, I think she twists things to fit her narrative, and I think it's shitty she doesn't seem to entertain counter arguments (along with websites who regularly promote her, see Kotaku's Stephen Totillo who promised to run articles featuring opposing views to Anita which he never made good on). But I do respect her sticking to her guns and I do agree with the general idea that women need better representation in games.

I think the only time I completely hated what she was saying was when she criticized Bayonetta and it seems like a lot of women had the same complaint.

 

[foltzie1]

I know some of you are saying it's her right to pocket all that money since she put out a couple hours of content, but I think that would undermine her message and prove her detractors right.

No one is saying that.

At most some of are pointing out that content output has been \ than reasonable and beyond what was promised.

 

[Gentleman Jack]

I think it's shitty she doesn't seem to entertain counter arguments (along with websites who regularly promote her, see Kotaku's Stephen Totillo who promised to run articles featuring opposing views to Anita which he never made good on).

The detractors of Women v Tropes have plenty of platforms, I don't see why Anita owes them one. I think it's further plausible that Totilo struggled to find a column in the 'anti' camp that met any kind of publication standards, 'lolkotaku' jibes notwithstanding.

 

[foltzie1]

I don't agree with her message, I think she twists things to fit her narrative, and I think it's shitty she doesn't seem to entertain counter arguments (along with websites who regularly promote her, see Kotaku's Stephen Totillo who promised to run articles featuring opposing views to Anita which he never made good on). But I do respect her sticking to her guns and I do agree with the general idea that women need better representation in games.

Feel free to share such a video.

 

[Puaru1]

No one is saying that.

At most some of are pointing out that content output has been \ than reasonable and beyond what was promised.

I thought I read a couple a few pages back, but I'm not going through 8 pages. If I misread while skimming, then change my statement to "I'm glad she didn't pocket the money like people thought she would".

 

[Kinyou]

Any idea why she is disclosing this now? I can't really imagine that it's because of non-backers complaining, because those complains have been there for 3 years. Did actual backers begin to show discomfort?

 

[wildfire]

I know some of you are saying it's her right to pocket all that money since she put out a couple hours of content, but I think that would undermine her message and prove her detractors right.

How about you take 2 hours and formulate what are the base expenses to keep your dream start up company going. Then you'll have the perspective to understand how much of a drain salaries can be.

 

[Jigorath]

Why would you be annoyed? You're backing vidoes that have the sole goal of spreading a feminist message. Why would you be mad that a few videos would be delayed after the first few achieved more success than anyone ever felt possible for a short video series? I mean, that's the entire reason for these videos to be made. They've worked and then some and it's not even a finished product yet.

That's fair I suppose. I just thought fulfilling the 12 video commitment should have been first priority.

 

[autoduelist]

divided by 3 for an annual wage.

doesn't seem even close to worth it, given all the shit shes personally got from the interwebs for daring to suggest that there may be elements of videogames that are socially regressive.

I have no idea how to 'price' harassment, and I'm sure that value is different for everyone, but that isn't the only money she ever received. Previous in this thread, someone else quoted her saying she got over $230k in December 2014 alone.

There's a lot of salary potential there. Personally I'd rather be anonymous and getting swatted or whatever wouldn't be worth it. But that said, if she's pulling in money like that she isn't ever going to worry about money ever again.

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[Puaru1]

How about you take 2 hours and formulate what are the base expenses to keep your dream start up company going. Then you'll have the perspective to understand how much of a drain salaries can be.

I think you misunderstood or I wasn't clear. Either way, when I said pocket I meant it as her not using it for the group or project, and just keeping it because she got more then what she needed. I'll edit if it confuses people.

 

[Dragon Puncher]

I think it's good somebody is doing what Sarkeesian is doing, but the time it takes them to produce these videoes is ridicules.

I mean FF produced a grand total of 2 Troopes vs Women in Video Games videoes + the 25 Benefits of Gaming while male video in all of 2014.. Hopefully expanding the organization can speed the production time up, because the series will never be done at this rate.

 

[Orochinagis]

I wonder if she will finally make her own games footage to do her research instead of using youtube videos to make her own videos.

 

[Kinyou]

I think it's good somebody is doing what Sarkeesian is doing, but the time it takes them to produce these videoes is ridicules.

I mean FF produced a grand total of 2 Troopes vs Women in Video Games videoes + the 25 Benefits of Gaming while male video in all of 2014.. Hopefully expanding the organization can speed the production time up, because the series will never be done at this rate.

And now she announced two new projects. Either they're going to put things into overdrive with the new staff or this is more like a 10 year plan.

 

[CambriaRising]

She doesn't make enough for what she has to put up with.

Edit: exhibit A below.

 

[kemalettin]

this bitch is cancer of game world.

 

[Eidan]

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Digging into her Master's, blatant misogyny. It's like clockwork.

 

[Palette Swap]

this bitch is cancer of game world.

Because?

 

[Guri]

this bitch is cancer of game world.

Nice way to add to the thread's discussion. You probably won't last much longer here, by the way.

 

[Zia]

this bitch is cancer of game world.

At least this dude's honest. "Ethics in..." is like American right-wingers throwing "socialist" around in reference to Obama when what they actually mean is "negro President." Just be honest so that we can identify you as an inconsequential piece of shit and move on.

 

[kcp12304]

Going through someone's masters thesis. Talk about obsessed.

But...but...this thing I just convently had lying around says she got her math wrong. Evil lady!!!!!! /s

 

[foltzie1]

BTW, thank you to the OP for posting this, I'm having a field day. It's practically a break from legal work and project management.

 

[pants]

At least this dude's honest. "Ethics in..." is like American right-wingers throwing "socialist" around in reference to Obama when what they actually mean is "negro President." Just be honest so that we can identify you as an inconsequential piece of shit and move on.

I too am of the school of thought that you give people rope.

 

[MrBadger]

At least this dude's honest. "Ethics in..." is like American right-wingers throwing "socialist" around in reference to Obama when what they actually mean is "negro President." Just be honest so that we can identify you as an inconsequential piece of shit and move on.

Yeah, props to this guy for just cutting to the chase and saying what he really thinks.

 

[Mononoke]

I know some of you are saying it's her right to pocket all that money since she put out a couple hours of content, but I think that would undermine her message and prove her detractors right.

It's better that she's continuing to make good on her goal to finish, and I respect her for not just saying "fuck it, i got paid, i made some videos, peace". I personally would of been scared off by the death threats (for every 1000 fake threats made by internet tough guys, one could be from a legit crazy person) and would of just disappeared.

I don't agree with her message, I think she twists things to fit her narrative, and I think it's shitty she doesn't seem to entertain counter arguments (along with websites who regularly promote her, see Kotaku's Stephen Totillo who promised to run articles featuring opposing views to Anita which he never made good on). But I do respect her sticking to her guns and I do agree with the general idea that women need better representation in games.

I think the only time I completely hated what she was saying was when she criticized Bayonetta and it seems like a lot of women had the same complaint.

Don't get me wrong. I think she absolutely has to finish her videos and provide the content she promised. But my point always was, she has every right to pocket the absurd amount of money that was given over the goal amount. The only obligation she has, is to put out the videos she promised.

If people want to over pay her, and give her a wealth of extra money she didn't ask for, it's well within her rights to pocket that cash and do what she wants with it. But she HAS to get the videos out that she promised.

 

[finalflame]

Going through someone's masters thesis. Talk about obsessed.

But...but...this thing I just convently had lying around says she got her math wrong. Evil lady!!!!!! /s

Once you are raising a ton of money for anything, you are going to have your credibility in check. I don't find that unreasonable, and I find that a lack of diligence when putting together facts/figure for any kind of "movement" to be telling of the people in charge of said movement. Can we stop vilifying anyone who doesn't necessarily agree with this woman?

I understand the guy who just came in here and said called her "a cancer to the gaming world", that contributed nothing and was uncalled for. However, why should people with legitimate arguments against someone's credibility just be instantly shot down? Does this woman have some kind of golden halo that protects her from being held to the same standards as anyone else, because of what she's fighting for?

Anyways, I really haven't followed this whole thing very closely, so have no opinion one way or the other. Guess I'll have to do my research.

 

[Dictator93]

Going through someone's masters thesis. Talk about obsessed.

But...but...this thing I just convently had lying around says she got her math wrong. Evil lady!!!!!! /s

I think it is funny that they are going through the MA thesis, but it basically happens to any big figure. Germans should know what I mean.

 

[freethought]

If you read the website link they say they are not going to attack her and want to keep it professional. The goal seems to be to show the other side if the story other than hers. I have no problem with this if it brings some balance to the story.

Dude, those two guys are insane. One of them is a Nazi (he literally has a video where he addresses 'the Jewish question' and I'm not using the word literally figuratively) who thinks he's the bad guy in some weird cyber/steampunk anime and that Jordan guy is an Ayn Rand fanboy who makes these hilariously long videos where he just rambles on about nonsense in his bathrobe.

He posted some half hour rant about Sarkeesian apparently saying Japanese feminism didn't exist. He attempted to refute this by naming a bunch of Japanese feminist organisations and the women involved with no attention paid to the effect or lasting impact of these organisations or women on Japanese society, which is probably the more salient information. I mean, the United States has a communist party so obviously communism is alive and well in the US right?

He also took issue with Anita's characterisation that Japan had become more conservative as a society as a result of WWII. Now that might not be true, I have no idea. But his evidence against this seemed to stem from Japan's adoption of a, in his words 'US style constitution' in 1947 (or 48 I forget) and it's forbidding of a national military for anything other than self defense. I agree that a nation adopting such policies of it's own volition does not sound like a particularly conservative thing to do. Certainly I can't think of any external pressures that would make Japan suddenly adopt such a liberal form of government in the late 40's. Pacifistic too, how noble. Coincidentally all the way over in Europe the same sort of thing was happening in West Germany. Strange world we live in.

Of course my favourite part of all of this was that he felt sufficiently qualified to comment as he was a bit of an expert on Japan (I swear to god I'm not making this up) as he had developed an affection for Japanese culture "not just anime" (really, I swear he said that, he really actually said that) in college. Cue to him reading off some info he'd obviously just pulled of the net.

Actually no, my favourite bit was the annotation that popped up at the beginning of the video confessing that Anita might not have said any of it in the first place.

I really don't like that guy.

edit: And that bald twat with his fucking cigarette. Smoke it like a human being you absolutely massive, total, utter wanker. Oh and stop being a Nazi too I guess. But it's mainly the way he smokes his fucking cigarette.

 

[foltzie1]

I think it is funny that they are going through the MA thesis, but it basically happens to any big figure. Germans should know what I mean.

 

[foltzie1]

If you read the website link they say they are not going to attack her and want to keep it professional. The goal seems to be to show the other side if the story other than hers. I have no problem with this if it brings some balance to the story.

I never think the guy on the corner screaming into a megaphone is going to be contributing anything meaningful to my day, but hey, he might.

 

[Bananastand]

I think it is funny that they are going through the MA thesis, but it basically happens to any big figure. Germans should know what I mean.

This is just a lady who makes video's about games. What are we talking about? She's not some politician with a shady past. She makes YouTube video's with a feminist message. I hardly feel like that's worth the scrutiny she is under.

 

[Weltall Zero]

I dont have any camera equipment to start my 5 part video series

Think of it as the best investment of your life. Go!

 

[Puaru1]

Don't get me wrong. I think she absolutely has to finish her videos and provide the content she promised. But my point always was, she has every right to pocket the absurd amount of money that was given over the goal amount. The only obligation she has, is to point out the videos she promised.

If people want to over pay her, and give her a wealth of extra money she didn't ask for, it's well withing her rights to pocket that cash and do what she wants with it. But she HAS to get the videos out that she promised.

Oh no, I definitely agree with you that it's her right to do so. I just think that it would be bad for the movement to do so. It's a hard place she's in because this whole thing is a lot bigger then her now, but I think that she's sort of the main support pillar and if she were to do so she would be helping tear it all down by giving her detractors ammo. I have to assume that the reason she has put up with as much shit as she has is because she honestly believes in what she is doing, which is why I think it's better to keep herself out there.

 

[entremet]

I like her and her vision, but to be honest, I've found her videos a tad disappointing.

 

[Puaru1]

Going through someone's masters thesis. Talk about obsessed.

But...but...this thing I just convently had lying around says she got her math wrong. Evil lady!!!!!! /s

I wouldn't even want to read a masters thesis on a subject I was super passionate about, how anyone could bother to hate read one is a little beyond me.

 

[CambriaRising]

I like her and her vision, but to be honest, I've found her videos a tad disappointing.

Same. I'm glad they exist though.

 

[Apath]

The only obligation she has, is to put out the videos she promised.

[..]

But she HAS to get the videos out that she promised.

Does she even have to do that? These kickstarters are essentially throwing your money at someone and hoping they do what you want with it. As far as I know, she could have taken all of the money and made a video of her burning it.

I am not arguing that kickstarters can't be very productive and push forward good causes, but they have always seemed far too shady for me to consider. People are just not informed enough to be giving money away, believing that what they are doing is an investment rather than a donation.

Of course, I could be wrong and maybe she is legally required to make the videos or return the money. This post would be kind of ironic then..

 

[Werewolf Jones]

I like her and her vision, but to be honest, I've found her videos a tad disappointing.

They're a lot better than her early works that's for sure but they are very by the numbers in regards to information given, if you aren't an idiot a lot of stuff she points out is very obvious. I think the only video that really did anything for me was the Ms. Man episode.