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Another 30 old teacher and 15yr old student but this time with a twist
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Sho_Nuff82
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15 years is in no way, shape, or form an acceptable penalty for having sex with a teenager. The bloodlust in this country is ridiculous.
You genuinely believe that it is society's guiding hand, rather than the hormonal urges of puberty, that makes teenage boys desperate to mate? Wow...
You did go through puberty, right?
She did not sexually abuse anyone, she statutorily raped someone. Different. And no child was involved. A minor was involved, but no child.
society has nothing to do with that raging erection between your legs due to the idea of having sex with an attractive teacher.
entremet
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No she doesn't.
Maybe a less harsher sentence? But she abused her position of authority.
There's a quote from the judge for the case who seems to agree with the OP that this case had a unique twist.
What are the differences in this scenario?
right, what's the blatant difference between a 15yo girl and boy?
Sho_Nuff82
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I will argue until I'm blue in the face that statutory sex doesn't belong in the same sentence as pedophilia or rape.
They were begging for their friend to not be sentenced to life (which is the same as being sentenced to death, only longer and more painful) for cheating on her husband. What a twist!
NerdEyeBlind
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daemissary
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I'm not really sure how this is an issue of abuse of power unless she offered better grades in some sort of Quid Pro Quo situation.
If she was just a random person that approached him in the mall, would he still have said yes?
It's still wrong either way...but I don't think she abused her power to get him to sleep with her.
Tal Shiar Agent
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You assume that women don't get the same hormonal urges? They undoubtedly do.
Women are shamed for their sexuality in our society while men are praised for it. That is the key difference.
The urges of a child do not excuse the actions of an adult. Laws are in place precisely to prevent adults from taking advantage of children in the manner this woman did.
terrisus
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What from this article makes you conclude that?
Why do people do this?
Maybe some people like to imagine that 15 year old girls don't like or want sex?
I fantasized about my male high school teachers. Doesn't mean it would have been okay for them to have sex with me.
I'm fairly certain it has nothing to do with society telling them to have sex. Their hormones do more than a good enough job doing that on their own. If anything society is why more teenagers aren't having sex.
When I was 15 I jumped at anything that would touch my dick, even girls (clarification: I am gay). The simple thought of anything touching me was enough to throw caution to the wind.
That all being said... that's why statutory rape laws exist.. because she doesn't have those problems and ignored the fact that this kid was making decisions with impaired judgement. Yes I am saying horny teenagers have impaired judgement.
I do think 15 years is disgustingly too long of a sentence. This lady needs help dealing with her inability to resist teenagers. Spending over a decade in prison isn't going to help her.
GoldenEye 007
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Eh... She can be out in as little as 5.5 years.
FinalStageBoss
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Oh well, a teacher should know better.
sure they can but at the age of fifteen faced with the idea of sex with an attractive teacher seems far from the idea of being raped. Unless of courses the kid may have been struggling with his sexuality.
Depends on if the rapist is a famous movie director.
This wasn't a one-time thing. She repeatedly met with the kid and knew exactly what she was doing; at one point even gave him alcohol.
It's not bloodlust to want rapists in jail.
HoodWinked
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forget it you're right there are no differences between genders.
metalmonstar
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I pulled up the Michigan law on such an issue. Seems pretty straight forward.
"Sexual conduct with a child under the age of 13, or with a child age 13 to 16 where the defendant is in a position of authority, is punishable by a minimum of 15 years in prison, up to life imprisonment. Sexual penetration of a child under the age of 13 is punishable by a minimum term of 25 years."
"Sexual conduct with a child under the age of 13, or with a child age 13 to 16 where the defendant is in a position of authority, is punishable by a minimum of 15 years in prison, up to life imprisonment. Sexual penetration of a child under the age of 13 is punishable by a minimum term of 25 years."
psychotron
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It's always difficult for me when I see these female teachers doing major time for getting with an underage boy. Probably because I would have done it in a second if I were 15, and definitely not regretted it or taken advantage of in any way. At that age, it was all primal...there was no emotional attachment to anything. But, the law is the law....damn shame.
Deified Data
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You can argue how natural it is for students and teachers from relatively similar age groups to be attracted to each other til the sun goes down, but it's a very specific kind of damaged individual who thinks doing this in a position of power is a good idea.
entremet
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Teenage boys have 7x the amount of testosterone pulsing through their bodies than teenage girls. That's gonna have a big ramifications in behavior and desires.
I would consider myself a Feminist, but to say men and women are only different because of society is missing a huge part of the picture.
bengraven
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THESE fucking threads. I'm not even going to comment on them anymore. It's just a huge quagmire of questionable ethics and discussion usually turns into one person saying something I suspect they don't 100% believe and the other person saying something obnoxious and getting banned.
Interesting. I'm assuming they don't just mean the penis because otherwise it's almost like they're saying "men can traumatize a child more than a woman by default of their sexual organs". When in fact, the act itself no matter what happens can be traumatic for someone that young, regardless of the sex of the aggressor.
What I'm saying is that all misconduct for under 13 should be the minimum of 25 years.
Interesting. I'm assuming they don't just mean the penis because otherwise it's almost like they're saying "men can traumatize a child more than a woman by default of their sexual organs". When in fact, the act itself no matter what happens can be traumatic for someone that young, regardless of the sex of the aggressor.
What I'm saying is that all misconduct for under 13 should be the minimum of 25 years.
bigmit3737
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That sentence seems a little harsh compard to other crimes.
Aren't there some violent crimes not as harsh..?
Aren't there some violent crimes not as harsh..?
What does this have to do with my comment? I never said anything about women. And seeing as there was no teenage girl involved in this case, the sexual desires of teenage girls are irrelevant in any case. What's relevant is, societal influence or not, teenage boys of 15 want sex, enjoy sex, seek out sex, and are capable of consenting to sex, and furthermore that all of that is quite normal and natural.
I always find it funny that so many people will freely admit to concerns over the effects of hormonal steroids (or steroid surpessors/supplements or what have you) on behavior, especially the behavior of teenagers in school sport, but will flatly deny that the hormonal differences between men and women could have any affect in behavior. I understand that it's important to reaffirm equality at every opportunity, but it still seems bizarre to me.
Miles Quaritch
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I suspect a lot of people are viewing like that, seems some of the victims family and friends are in that camp too.
what you're talking about here is endemic of exactly the same mentality.
Gee, a teacher had sex with you when you were in high school? Maybe this is why you think it's okay to do it with a student now that you're teaching high school.
But nah, there's nothing wrong with it if it's consensual right?
Never saw this one... that's amazing.
The reaction is that girls don't want sex so a male teacher takes advantage while all straight boys must want sex with an attractive woman so it's suddenly okay.
I guess I need to void my personal thoughts on this, because the idea of getting drunk and fucking an attractive high school teacher at fifteen seems like something that would be hard to pass up on.
Sho_Nuff82
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Okay, quite simply, who is a 15 year sentence protecting society from that, say, taking her teacher's licence wouldn't accomplish? It's not like she was trolling the mall for 15 year old strange.
Not so different that one can't be raped while the other one must be.
Alligatorjandro
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She fucked her whole life up over a 15 year old boy.
The Sarcastic Dude
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Sadly, a lot people have this view.
bonesmccoy
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Do you feel the same way about the societal and legal reactions to the Catholic Church's abuse crisis, where it was largely men and teen-aged (and often teens older than 15) boys involved?
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
15 years is too long. 5.5 is a good amount though.
This is something people need to remember. A 15 year old already is not able to rationally give consent, but it's even worse if the person who raped him is someone who he sees as an authority (a teacher, a parent, etc.) because then the kid's relationship is already skewed.
Why is it impossible to think that prison time doesn't help these people?
bengraven
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But like that person said, it's an equality thing. Despite genetic differences, to be equal you have to treat them equally. I know that it's a bit grey in reality due to biology, but for a legal definition people must be treated equally.
Tal Shiar Agent
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Are either of you currently a 15 year old student? Do you remember what it was like to be a teenager? The idea that someone as young as 15 could consent with full knowledge of the consequences is ludicrous.
Romeo and Juliet laws are one thing, but statutory rape is illegal for a reason. There is always a power imbalance between the adult and the child, even if the child believes they "want it". That power imbalance is harmful to the child.
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