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Another 30 old teacher and 15yr old student but this time with a twist
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FalsettoVibe
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This is confusing. Where does it fall in the TOS. Just asking.
entremet
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I agree. I was disagreeing on the physiological side.
The laws should be equal regardless of sex.
IT'S RAPE. She shouldn't be in normal society again. She would've rightly gotten a life sentence if the lawyer didn't weasel his way into getting that generous plea deal.
The parents turned her in. The article doesn't say who sent letters of support, it certainly doesn't say anything about the boy's family doing so.
I pretty much agree. If she gets out on her first parole.
She lost her freedom, her career (probably for life), and most likely her marriage. Was it worth it lady?
No I understand that but I guess it's just because the support is more public than normal? It just seems to be par for the course for reactions to this sort of thing.
DonEscobar
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heckmanimation
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Today, 12:48 PM, Post #97
On topic: Why does this seem hardly appropriate to people? She was married too for crying out loud. Broken commitment on many levels.
John Kowalski
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i'm sure there's something in there against abhorrent and disgusting behavior
lol i'm not finding it either
bengraven
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I can understand that.
In this case prison time is just as much about protecting other people as it is about rehabilitation.
Rapists are a threat to society.
No idea. I'm obviously not speaking from a position of authority on this. But it's preferable to how these threads used to go, that's for sure. If you have questions about it you should PM an admin, we really shouldn't be complaining about moderation in the thread.
CornBurrito
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I feel like the people making these sarcastic posts would be the same ones calling for a lynching if the genders were reversed.
Cow Mengde
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Really, 15 years in prison? Probably would be out in 5 months if she killed someone.
eso76
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Yes, I'm sure the student agreed to have sex with her in fear of bad marks.
Some women are becoming teachers apparently without growing out of the wild days of their twenties. Oh and lacking the mental faculties to see that this is a morally wrong and incredibly stupid thing to do.
I can only imagine the scandal and drama this causes at the school afterwards. I do feel bad for this woman for ruining her life.. if the victim is badly affected its certainly awful, and he could yet be affected in ways you may not immediately think of (attitudes to women, confidence, misplaced sense of guilt for costing her her job and her freedom).. but I do feel sorry for her too. Moments of impulsive stupidity - a lifetime of regret. As another said, I might not be so considerate if the perpetrator was a man.
Am I to understand I've missed some sort of mod decree on these threads? Seems to be a few bans up in here
I can only imagine the scandal and drama this causes at the school afterwards. I do feel bad for this woman for ruining her life.. if the victim is badly affected its certainly awful, and he could yet be affected in ways you may not immediately think of (attitudes to women, confidence, misplaced sense of guilt for costing her her job and her freedom).. but I do feel sorry for her too. Moments of impulsive stupidity - a lifetime of regret. As another said, I might not be so considerate if the perpetrator was a man.
Am I to understand I've missed some sort of mod decree on these threads? Seems to be a few bans up in here
I agree, but isn't the goal of the system to rehabilitate these people so they can contribute to society? Prison time, sure... 15 years?
The prison culture in this country is just really hard for me to swallow. She needs special help that she won't receive in 15 years of prison, and at the end of the day this was a non-violent crime.
Hari Seldon
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If it was a random neighbor and a consenting 15 year old this would be a little too high. But the position of authority thing makes it much worse imo. It was also a female judge so rapist crocodile tears would have had no affect in the court room.
ReturnOfTheRAT
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Steep potential punishment. Guess it's best to be fair, no matter the gender.
I think you are confused between "legally" and "rationally".
Anyway, i wonder how many people have these huge issues with a coworker having sex with the boss. Im pretty sure it's certainly not to the point of demanding 15 years in prison or even to the point of firing. The same bloodlust mentality can be seen in college education where both are consenting adults.
Seems like a nice social double-standard when it comes to power structure.
hydragonwarrior
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Ridiculous sentence. I want to know if this kid is actually traumatized by this which I bet every friggin dollar he isn't.
There are cases where an aggressive woman has raped young males before, but these aren't even in the same universe.
Furthermore, I don't think there's any evidence that she forced him to have sex because of her power position of being a teacher.
She broke the law in terms of age, but ANY sentence would have stopped her from doing that again (even 1 year) which includes all of the public humiliation she'll receive, likely forcing her to move.
There are cases where an aggressive woman has raped young males before, but these aren't even in the same universe.
Furthermore, I don't think there's any evidence that she forced him to have sex because of her power position of being a teacher.
She broke the law in terms of age, but ANY sentence would have stopped her from doing that again (even 1 year) which includes all of the public humiliation she'll receive, likely forcing her to move.
Perhaps its late and this cold medicine I'm taking is having an effect, but the post opens with talk about letters from the victim's family/friends, but then goes on to talk about letters from the defendant's family and friends?
I mean, obviously the defendant's family/friends will be most concerned with her, no?
I mean, obviously the defendant's family/friends will be most concerned with her, no?
That's not what I was implying. Any relationship between a child and someone in a position of authority is already skewed. There is no way we can expect a 15-year-old kid to give rational consent to someone he's already supposed to take orders from and treat as boss.
Yes, rape. This is a textbook example of statutory rape.
Because there are so many 15-year olds in corporate America.
Doogie Houser is in the cubicle next to me right now.
It's much too broad a term anymore. I'd prefer better definitions, but I guess "sexual abuse involving a minor and a person(s) in a position of authority" doesn't roll off the tongue.
I abhore rape. Absolutely abhore it. But you think she should receive the same punishment as a murderer?
She should do time, no doubt, and the time should be equal as anyone else. A potential life sentence is way beyond what makes sense for rehabilitation (not that prisons manage that anyways).
Notice that i made the example in relation to college students.
again I'm not looking at this from a legal perspective but more so from a personal viewpoint, and yes I can remember at 15 all I could really think about was sex and video games and more sex. Sex with an attractive teacher would have been the apex for me but alas the law is the law and I was ugly so that was something that was never to happen.
You think statutory rape laws are just a thing that popped up recently?
gioGAF
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Agreed. Not condoning the behavior but life in fucking prison that had to be plea-bargained down to 15 years is ridiculous!
VIOLENT sex offenders get less time than that!
the thing you are saying here is incredibly fucking stupid.
la flama blanca
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Are most of these women borderline? What goes on in their heads to do stuff like this?
The fuck is this?
The fuck is this?
There's a difference between a 15-year-old and an adult. He's not even allowed to vote and you're expecting him to have the same decision-making capabilities under the law.
And holy shit, you don't think she should be fired? She's a predator, keep her the fuck away from schools.
That was my point.
If the student were female and teacher male, the 15 year sentence would be a footnote.
Yeah, sorry... the more I think about it the more I think 15 years is inappropriate. This was a non-violent crime. She didn't forcibly rape him. She used her position of power to take advantage of teenage lust.
Edit: And to be clear, I don't give a shit what the sexes of the parties are. M/M M/F F/F F/M. It's all the same.
Sho_Nuff82
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As I said, society needs to have a long, mature conversation about the subtle differences between rape, molestation, pedophilia, and statutory sex.
I've seen too many stories about 18 and 20 year olds having their lives ruined to agree with zero tolerance statutory sentencing.
Do you believe that teenagers can consent to sex at all?
I think too many GAFfers are looking at this story and remembering that hot teacher they always fantasized about.
This is why our prison system is as shit as it is.
Might as well have someone rape her to show society that rape is wrong amirite?
When you flip it around and think about a male teacher doing it, 15 years makes sense.
This has admittedly been going on for many years though, she's not lying. She's not much older than me, and I know someone's brother who supposedly messed with a teacher when he was in high school. After seeing that teacher after graduation in certain places, I can completely believe it. Glad this is being stopped because it's kinda messed up.
For the record, the guy who supposedly messed with a teacher is more or less insane now- but none of us think it's because of that incident...he was just always insane.
This has admittedly been going on for many years though, she's not lying. She's not much older than me, and I know someone's brother who supposedly messed with a teacher when he was in high school. After seeing that teacher after graduation in certain places, I can completely believe it. Glad this is being stopped because it's kinda messed up.
For the record, the guy who supposedly messed with a teacher is more or less insane now- but none of us think it's because of that incident...he was just always insane.
That's not an argument against rationality but legality.
FalsettoVibe
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Gotcha. I just wanna make sure I dont say the wrong things in threads.
Anyway, as far as the teacher goes, 15 years is a lot. Oh well, I guess the law is sending a message.
CornBurrito
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How do you feel about male teachers who have had sex with female students?
Rockandrollclown
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While the punishment seems a bit harsh, at least it is easily avoided. All you have to do is not sleep with your underage students.
JesseEwiak
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Thing I always wonder with these cases is, who's the kid? 'Cause I know how I was at at 14 or 15, and if an even halfway attractive 15 year old approached me, I would've tripped over myself, let alone an attractive teacher.
Which would lead me to believe the guys these teachers are hooking up with are ya' know, the popular guys. Ripped, good looking, look older than they are, just like in many cases with male teachers. But, on the other side, the few times we've seen interviews with the male victims, they're not always that.
Which would lead me to believe the guys these teachers are hooking up with are ya' know, the popular guys. Ripped, good looking, look older than they are, just like in many cases with male teachers. But, on the other side, the few times we've seen interviews with the male victims, they're not always that.
striferser
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Not only she have sex with minor, she also cheated on her husband? Dammit!
The letter from her friend and family, right?
I remember a case where murderer mother said it's the murderer fault she murdered someone, despite evidence said otherwise.
The letter from her friend and family, right?
I remember a case where murderer mother said it's the murderer fault she murdered someone, despite evidence said otherwise.
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