Would you say its almost as awful as the attacks that have been happening at Trump rallys? With comments from Trump that come dangerously close to endorsing it?
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Anti-Trump protest erupts in Albuquerque downtown, NM after Trump held an event
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Would you say its almost as awful as the attacks that have been happening at Trump rallys? With comments from Trump that come dangerously close to endorsing it?
RPGCrazied
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"I promise, I'll pay the legal fees!" Yeah, pretty sure he would.
As a leftist person I have started to seriously doubt the assertion I always had that the left is more rational and smart. How fucking short-sighted can someone be not to realize that this juvenile bullshit help Trump? Trump is playing these idiots like a fiddle, it's fucking embarrassing.
Absolutely I do know. But I wish people could at least try to understand why these riots occur(red). And yes, I am condemning them.
Trump incites the worst tendencies in his supporters, there is no winning here.
gutter_trash
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this is so true and very true.
And people who actively engage in violent protests don't realize that they are enabling Trump, not slowing him down.
wanna stop Trump? abstain from the use of violence and be the better man. Vote
how can anybody be proud of headscarves masked young dudes throwing rocks? what is this the Gaza Strip?
NC House Speaker: Charlotte needs to get rid of LGBT protections before we act.
This was on the first page of off topic at the time of my post.
You will veer more towards people who hold these views because people whom have historically been treated as 4rth rate class sub species of sub species rioted?
Thats pretty horrible and makes you very shallow.
gutter_trash
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and am super deep and complex and multi faceted.
protesters throwing rocks are shallow
why are they throwing rocks?
freeofgreed
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That's irrelevant. I made a comment saying that this incident wouldn't make anyone who's not voting for Trump switch over to him, and he responded with that. My statement was solely about whether people would vote for Trump or not, which is a binary choice. I couldn't give a shit how right wing or centrists he is in other cases.
God Dayumm
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For those moving to the right: remember that violent protest is sanctioned by the Constitution and the second amendment exists for this very purpose, so that the people have the means to overthrow tyrannical governments (and candidates).
No one is doubting the existence of moderates or centrists. Just the centrism of any person who would vote Republican.
Will this election cause many liberal GAF members to be Republicans? 0_0
gutter_trash
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the current goverment isn't tyrannical and you have the option to block Trump with a ballot box
God Dayumm
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Not really, but it will make people more cynical about both parties.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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I addressed that. This isn't the 60s. Demographics are much different. The country's conscience is different.
The base is meaningless in the context of this discussion- they're already voting for Trump. Trump is going to lose on a massive scale, across most demographics. These small outbursts of civil disobedience and violence at anti-Trump protests are of no consequence to his chances, because they are relatively minor events and specifically targeted at that candidate. Nobody has any sympathy for a loud mouth who regularly spouts antagonistic bullshit at everyone around him.
With how cartoonishly evil many republicans have been lately I find it hard to believe that anyone who was liberal moving to the right never cared about minority rights or in some capacity supports their views on minority rights (ie to not have them exist in the first place).
I can't even begin to understand someone who claimed to be liberal then move to the right because, of all things, its some "no good hoodlums & hoodrats throwing shit like uncivilized folks". Like wow, THAT triggers you?
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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Here's the thing: Trump doesn't disappear when the election's over. His emboldening of racists and idiots doesn't magically stop after he loses. The people he inspired will want more- more hateful policies, more influence on Republicans.
I'm not sure why this has to be pointed out, and it has been in just about every thread similar to this one.
I just wish some of these posters were in the threads where women & men get escorted out, hit or god knows what else during Trump events when they were holding peaceful protests.
Its almost as if they kept trying peaceful protests and yet were still being ignored....nah their just acting like fools hurting their own party!
Its almost as if they kept trying peaceful protests and yet were still being ignored....nah their just acting like fools hurting their own party!
This smacks of hubris, democrats are going to underestimate the shit out of Trump I can see the writing on the wall. It's also ignoring the continual bumps he kept getting through the primaries. WITH these protests and even beating up protesters going on helping not hurting him.
THIS IS WHY ITS IMPORTANT HE LOSES THE ELECTION! Losing this election is the nail in the coffin for conservative ideals. This is their last stand, this is them saying "fuck our establisment politicians we are doubling down" Thats why its so important they lose in the election because it sends a resounding message to them and the Republican party. If he wins and gets more votes its going to be because of stuff like this that keeps emboldening him and rallying people to him despite how stupid liberals think it is or impossible, it keeps happening.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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It's Donald Trump. He's a laughingstock. The fools on the right who put him in this position is not the conscience of the country. It's a reality TV shit show right now, use your common sense.
gutter_trash
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Trump's Presidential aspirations are finished after November 8th.
I already made an account bet that Hillary Clinton will be the next President, I am that confident.
the GOP have screwed themselves over Providentially and will probably never see the White House again for another generation
If he loses and loses badly, the GOP will steer as far away from his supporter's desires as possible. There will be less influence, not more.
Waving the Mexican flag doesn't seem like a good idea at a riot.
They wanna hit/break something/one.
They wanna hit/break something/one.
Why not? Trumps comments on Mexicans are reprehensible and his plans for them are terrifying.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
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That's not the issue. I was addressing your comment that you feel it's all over and done with after the election. White nationalists are motivated and emboldened now like they haven't been in decades. That does not simply go away when Trump loses.
excelsiorlef
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To a white nationalist?
Democracy does not start and end at the ballot box, or at least it shouldn't.
Democracy is every day, and the democratic right to protest, especially against those who would seek to deny or remove that right, is absolutely crucial.
Just like after 2012 they became a more reasonable, reasoned, centrist party? In the days after that defeat a lot of Republicans contritely intoned that they had to listen, they had to reach out to women, to ethnic minorities, to all of the people who rejected them.
Their answer was 4 years of an obstructionist Tea Party Congress, followed by Donald Trump. You think the next loss will see them respond differently?
Conservative ideals will continue even once Trump loses, there is no nail in the coffin for the Republican party whatever the outcome is. Electing a Democrat like JFK, Carter, or Obama during the current election cycle does not equate to Republicans becoming non-competitive when the next election cycle comes around.
Clockwork5
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You act as though there are no undecided voters 6 months out of the election.
Angelus Errare
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If anything the hubris is with white America still thinking minorities don't matter. What's the word to use when that hubris has been a belief for 300+ years? 🤔🤔🤔
I've always found that stance weird.
"I am tired of politicians lies, how my side acts, how this election is rigged! Therefore I am voting for this racist asshole, that seems like a good idea."
We had that situation here in Sweden when apparently that was the reason people voted for the Swedish Democrats party (basically neo-nazis in tuxedos and more hair), because they were "tired" of the old big parties. Idiots, that's what they all are.
SecretMoblin
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There's a really important caveat to the right to protest in the Constitution, though.
gutter_trash
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No, that's not the point. It doesn't erase Republicans but it makes them refocus their platform. All this talk of the fractured Republican party, what does people think that really mean? Republicans aren't swayed by ideals even though it seems like it alot of times because the most vocal of their groups are. The politicians and pundits are swayed by power. Them losing their power is driving them mad, and they tried embracing the crazy vocal part of their party in the Tea Party and it bit them in their ass. They already quite visibily regretted it during this primary season. They are reluctantly going to fall behind Trump, how much depends on how much of a fervor Trump can ignite with his base and how many moderates he can get. If Trump wins it proves their tactic right and they will change their party around it and concentrate on the states that have won with these groups, and states have, you see threads about them on GAF constantly take your pick. If Trump loses you can damn well bet the Republicans are going to rethink their platform and refocus away from the tea party shit show that has been dragging them down in presidential elections. Political parties have changed in the past, they will continue to. It's naive to think either is immune to change no matter how slow or for right or wrong.
Ok. I don't see how that has anything do with what I was saying about liberals underestimating Trump in this race. You're right but its a vague generalized tangent to go off on when we are talking about specific political mechanizations.
Their base won't allow them to. As soon as they move centrist they will be challenged and defeated.
thelatestmodel
Junior, please.
It's not an assertion, it's the truth. More intelligent people do lean to the left. Most university professors are left-leaning.
Doesn't mean you don't get the occasional bunch of idiots.
Angelus Errare
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If a person sees a protest and goes "well that makes me want to vote for the racist/bigot/sexist guy" then they were already going to vote for him anyways. This protest doesn't help or hinder him.
During the May Day protests here in California years ago, there used to be nothing but Mexican flags. The public got real mad about it. The following years have had American flags and a lot less Mexican flags and there was less criticism. People get mad about flags
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You might have people on the fence or people that just plain don't vote and riots don't exactly get people on your side. They see rioters throwing rocks and bottles at horses and Mexican flags and they think I'm supposed to roll with them? It plays into Trump's narrative which isn't good.
Spiral Insanity
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In the same league. This isn't about Trump. He is just an excuse. I am talking about the violent rioters, not those who protested quietly and respectfully (towards the police) yesterday.
It's the same irrational and violent thinking that causes the shit that happens at Trump rallies.
Schattenjäger
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Trump is the least conservative candidate in the pack
DontBeThatGuy
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wow @ those pepper spray videos I'm looking at, and police shoving a women they just bombarded with spray to the ground.
and yet his platform he's standing on to get support is one of the most extreme
Schattenjäger;204632676 said:
and yet his platform he's standing on to get support is one of the most extreme
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
I would love to see the facts backing that statement up
Schattenjäger
Gabriel Knight
In some ways yes in other ways no
LUFTRAUSER
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Donald Trump isn't really a Republican, ideologically speaking. He isn't even very conservative. NeoGAF seems to do a pretty poor job of understanding why Trump is popular.
Exactly, every time a centrist Republican candidate like McCain or Romney put their names into the hat, they're forced to swing far right to secure the party nomination.
gutter_trash
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McCain and Romney are not Centrist LOL!!! They are Right Wing
America has a funny definition of what is the ''Center''
there is not such thing a Centrist Republican because the GOP as a party is Far-Right. You have some who are less Right wing but they are still Right Wing
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