the liberal stench is strong in this thread
Gonna be a crazy few months up till November. Trump is going to win in a landslide though, I think the country will vote for new blood in DC over existing corruption. just my 2 cents
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Anti-Trump protest erupts in Albuquerque downtown, NM after Trump held an event
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smokeandmirrors
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feelings I presume.
the liberal stench is strong in this thread
Gonna be a crazy few months up till November. Trump is going to win in a landslide though, I think the country will vote for new blood in DC over existing corruption. just my 2 cents
So... how about those republican policies? What's your defense of those?
Or is this about "Winning" to you?
Trump supporters don't think with any sort of logic or reasoning.
smokeandmirrors
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Winning is high energy. Liberals are so low energy they don't even care about winning!!!
LUFTRAUSER
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I'm glad you're happy now because with that attitude you won't be happy for longthe liberal stench is strong in this thread
Gonna be a crazy few months up till November. Trump is going to win in a landslide though, I think the country will vote for new blood in DC over existing corruption. just my 2 cents
the liberal stench is strong in this thread
Gonna be a crazy few months up till November. Trump is going to win in a landslide though, I think the country will vote for new blood in DC over existing corruption. just my 2 cents
That's very mature.
The same feelings these people had when they believed Romney would win also. You had Karl Rove almost breakdown on Fox News because he couldn't handle reality. I expect the same election night.
the liberal stench is strong in this thread
Gonna be a crazy few months up till November. Trump is going to win in a landslide though, I think the country will vote for new blood in DC over existing corruption. just my 2 cents
"Look at me", the post.
brettski2024
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The level of maturity in my post was no different than the rest of the comments in this thread. Probably more mature to be honest.
I never said I love Trump but I cannot support Hillary and I think the latest polling from Washington Post that shows Trump +2 over hillary will continue in his favor until November.
I totally get that GAF in general is no friend to fiscal conservatives / libertarians but I'm not afraid to stand for:
1. Better use of tax dollars and a tax code that is reasonable
2. Less policing of other countries
3. Smaller federal government and shifting more to the states
4. An audit if the Fed
5. Enforcing immigration laws like every other country does
6. Rights of unborn babies especially late term
7. Addressing social security insolvency
Hillary doesn't do anything for me on this.
Yeah its going to be the same meltdown again.
For a minute I was thinking maybe when Trump lost there wouldnt be as much shock this go around. But its unique this time because Trump did well in the conservative running making himself look like teflon. MANY people are really confusing his ability to win the R nod by being further to the right than the others with winning a General election where you have to impress MORE than just the conservative base to win.
They think he is bulletproof, and he is more than happy to keep perpetuating exactly that. The man even has some Liberals fooled. So when he gets curbstomped I really think we are going to be blessed with yet another humongous dose of disbelief from the right. AGAIN.
Political porn man.... So good.
So at first I was going to post a specific response to each point, but I realized most of them could be summarized by the following:
"LMAO"
Now tell me how you feel about walls and Muslims.
LUFTRAUSER
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He's probably not going to respond to that, and if anything you've only made him feel even more smug by trying to bait him into saying something potentially racist.
Is "tell us how you really feel" a new GAF thing? We used to take screenshots and pretend to have open browser tabs with porn names but I can adjust if this is what we do now.
LUFTRAUSER
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No no, it's better this way. All the smug superiority, with none of the work!
Yeah, this ain't a GAF thing, this is simple political entrapment.
"Hey, I love this specific stuff Trump says".
"What about the racist, sexist, islamophobic stuff he also says?"
"INSERT DISMISSIVE BULLSHIT HERE"
brettski2024
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Stay classy and don't respond to each point. That's fine. Apparently spending tax dollars wisely and the life of a 20+ week baby is lmao. 😊
I'm happy with a wall, sure. I'd rather we just enforce immigration laws just like every other country does.
Muslims? I dont believe we should ban any group that's stupid, regarding refugees I think you have to be very smart and careful about what you do especially with isis saying they are sending people as refugees.
I know I'm outnumbered in this forum but that's fine. Have a great day.
DragonSworne
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Whenever I see a list of things "fiscal" conservatives stand for, it always translate to the following in my head:
1) Punish women
2) Enable states to abuse minorities and the poor
3) Take Social Security away from old people
I must be a cynic.
OneAndDone
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I still don't get this. The wall won't work, will cost more that it will ever actually do, and whoever start building it will be out before it even start to look like a "wall". Also, your country DOES ENFORCE THOSE LAWS. "Oh, but all those dirty, job-stealing 'migrants!". Yes, there is undocumented people working BECAUSE YOUR COUNTRY TRIVES ON SLAVE-LEVEL WORK AND EXPLOITATION.
brettski2024
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Woah, that's a far reach. You really believe federal government is great at taking care of people? See the VA? I cannot connect how being financially responsible punishes women or robs old people. .
brettski2024
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America most certainly does not enforce immigration laws. We even send billions in tax returns to illegals who claim children living in another country. We have sanctuary cities and a major problem with drug / illegal activity coming from the southern border. No other country is as lax with illegal immigration as America.
You're probably right that some employers are exploiting them. You know why? Because the government is inept when it comes to immigration. If we knew who was in the country and made sure they had the proper identification (visa, green card or whatever) then employers couldn't do that. Additionally, our government refuses to punish employers who hire illegals, so they are encouraging the behavior which encourages illegals to come north.
I'm sorry, I didn't get the memo, are we calling riots "protests" now? And you're claiming that people aren't gonna lean right if they keep seeing this bullshit, right? OK...
Where do you stand on
1. the black lives matter movement
2. The rights of trans people specifically using the bathroom
3. The rights of the lgbtq community and their protection to not be discriminated by any business or employer
4. The rights of women to make the choice of raising a child or having an abortion
5. The ensured protection of said children should they be born
6. The overprotected cops who have in the past repeatedly gotten away woth murder with slaps on the wrists
8. Allowing muslims to enter the country and not having to take a test to prove christianity
9. The right of a,erican babies to keep their citizenship regardless of their parents legality
These are just a few of the issues that trump has taken a stance on. Do you agree with him?
Those kinds of signs are everywhere. Always the same Black and Red or Black and Yellow signs. I assume it's the same group each time out here in CA.
Outside of Disneyland. Check.
Outside of E3. Check
Outside of Blizzcon. Check
Outside of Anime Expo. Check
Outside of sports arenas during games. Check
Outside of ComicCon. Check
Outside of waterparks. Check
Outside of Planned Parenthoods. Check
Outside of universities. Check
Outside of gunshows. Check
Literally if it's fun, or helpful to some group, those people show up somehow.
Fuck I saw them outside of a Target or JC Penny (I forget which) after I think they defended some same sex couple banner on a store window.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Oh wow it looks like day 3 of Comic-Con when all the religious fucks come out.
EDIT: Wow, that's cause it is. And that's the exact picture I took.
RPGCrazied
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They come out to comic con? Wow.
A Link to the Past
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See, it's this kind of stuff that has me feeling fairly confident that Trump has too big a hill to climb. Hillary may have a hatebase, but Trump's hatebase is huuuge. Any states with a notable Hispanic population is going to be a state that Hillary could have a chance at winning.
Rioting is protesting. It may not be ideal, but it is the product of a lot of anger from marginalized people.
Rioting is protesting. It may not be ideal, but it is the product of a lot of anger from marginalized people.
RPGCrazied
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You know Trump himself has said he wants to punch people in the face right?
A Link to the Past
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Violence is sometimes also the most effective. Violent protests have been at the core of many a successful rights movement.
evil solrac v3.0
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1. I assume you will vote republican given the choices but when have Republicans shown they are any better at this? if Trump is really so anti-establishment why did he run as a Republican?
2. same as above for #1. in the last 30+ years when have Republicansa shown to be able to stay out of other countries affairs? for that matter has Trump said he would be willing to bring back troops from overseas?
3. does smaller feed mean smaller military? very important.
4. an audit to find what exactly?
they most certainly do and you sound like you've never had to deal with the immigration and customs department. the laws are enforced. you can't stop people from jumping over a wall. you can't.
A Link to the Past
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Because one side is people who are treated as second-class citizens, are having their votes suppressed, and treated like animals. The other is an arrogant millionaire.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Dude, they've been a staple of SDCC and WonderCon since Westboro came out there in 2010.
They get arrested.
Last year, the city had to put a fucking fence up around the Anaheim Convention Center so they couldn't get within 100 feet.
Jeffolation
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I laugh every time watching the coverage of these events when they have to quickly cut away because someone with a Fuck Trump sign walks into the frame. Happened twice so far today on msnbc.
RPGCrazied
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They were saying fuck Trump and fuck the police. Don't know if I'd go that far. Just doing their job I guess. But I don't know why any would want to protect a Trump rally. If I was a cop, I'd opt out of that so fast.
A Link to the Past
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Statistically, no. Evidently, no. Peaceful protests are typically ignored. The most effective protests are, unfortunately, ones that cannot be ignored. Blocking traffic, breaking windows, burning buildings, flipping cars. In a perfect world we would not have to see this be a resort that would be taken by the oppressed, but the value gained in forcing the problem into the public eye far outweighs the disapproval.
It is not as if this was a first step. This was a last resort after all else had failed.
exmachina64
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Out of curiosity, where do you get your information?
Black people: "Can ya'll like, not treat us like dog shit?"
White people in power: "Lmao. No."
Gay people: "Can ya'll like, not treat us like pedophiles?"
White people in power: "Lmao. Rights Revoked."
Women: "Can ya'll like, just allow me to do whatever the fuck I feel like with my body? Or at least support my child worth a damn?"
White people in power: "Long answer or short answer? Jk both are fuck outta here."
Look at black lives matter. Look at the new bill called blue lives matter. When you try to talk peacefully to people who have already made up their minds the best case scenario is they take a piss at everything you stand for. Worst case is they try to rip your rights away piece by piece. Rights that took violence to gain originally.
I'm not advocating for violence. I don't want violence. But it's clear that when 1 side screams and the other side refuses to listen, or worse, violence will happen. And I'm ok with that.
TomWaitsForNoMan
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Libertarianism: being made to pay taxes is very bad, but women being forced to be incubators is very good.
Jeffolation
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I'd ask if traffic duty was an option instead.
Is this based on research of the results of protests and rioting?
A Link to the Past
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Did you research the effectiveness of violent protests, or are you just assuming this to be the case?
Further, remember that your comparison is a group of people protesting for the sake of furthering oppression versus a group of people being oppressed and being pushed to protesting. The Westboro Baptist Church chooses to protest, and the reason why they choose to do so is because they want to hurt people. These protesters are people who are hurt by people, who are negatively affected by people, who are marginalized and left without any real voice to combat the oppression that they experience any other way. They are not protesting in order to ruin lives, they are protesting in response to ruined lives.
A Link to the Past
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Cmon now. A poll that literally anyone could vote on and a single quote from Martin Luther King Jr.? What would you then say if I provided a quote from MLK Jr. where he described riots as "the language of the unheard"?
Why does we talk about violent protesting like it's a sustained thing? There clearly doesn't exist a national movement to use violence to combat Trump. These are just people going to peaceful protests and then getting mad and breaking shit. It's not a philosophy, it's not thought out, it's not romantic. What you are seeing is a insignificant fraction of the movement to defeat trash being jackasses. You really think anyone is gonna see a random a-hole break a window and say "Gee, I guess he has a point."
So no, violent protests don't work unless we are talking about the French Revolution or a violent coup.
So no, violent protests don't work unless we are talking about the French Revolution or a violent coup.
A Link to the Past
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Well okay, but I WILL point out that your opinion is based on nothing but feelings, while others are basing theirs on actual science and reason.
Really, just think about what it means to be sitting in the glow of your monitor lecturing marginalized people about the proper way to protest the erosion of their civil rights.
Stonewall never happened confirmed.
But seriously, why does a protest have to be "romantic"? Or fondly remembered? Can't it just be oppressed citizens having exhausted all options and feeling at the ends of their ropes? Can't it be that they're more concerned about forcing the issue to be noticed instead of being polite and proper and patient?
If you understand stonewall. You understand why people are rioting. Peaceful protests have been tried since slavery ended.
MLK Jr was assasinated. I can't buy that you're being genuine here. As it would mean that you aren't aware that minorities in this country have exhausted every option. If you understand stonewall, and an infinite other number of examples. You'd understand that when you've been ignored and are still being executed in the streets by the truckload, violence happens.
If this was the first instance of minorities protesting, and out the gate it was violent you'd have a point. But it's not being intellectually honest to pretend as if peace hasnt been met with continued behavior, and that there isnt a concurrent effort being made. A response to BLM is making harsher charges for police that are attacked as a hate crime.
I can't believe you're unaware of this.
A Link to the Past
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You use Martin Luther King Jr. as a bludgeon while ignoring much of what he said that does not fit your narrative about rioting. You call rioting a choice - what is the other choice, exactly? Continue to be oppressed?
So to be clear - you are both not an expert in any definition of the word with respect to protesting,, but you also consider yourself able to determine that the people who are rioting are not oppressed enough for it to be acceptable? I mean, if you were in a discussion with someone who experienced true oppression in this country, who suffered at the hands of this country's hate, and he told you that peaceful protests are failing to solve the problem, would you continue to claim that they work? Or would you perhaps consider that the victims of the oppression being protested have a better perspective than you do?
So to be clear - you are both not an expert in any definition of the word with respect to protesting,, but you also consider yourself able to determine that the people who are rioting are not oppressed enough for it to be acceptable? I mean, if you were in a discussion with someone who experienced true oppression in this country, who suffered at the hands of this country's hate, and he told you that peaceful protests are failing to solve the problem, would you continue to claim that they work? Or would you perhaps consider that the victims of the oppression being protested have a better perspective than you do?
TheLaughingStock
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the liberal stench is strong in this thread
Gonna be a crazy few months up till November. Trump is going to win in a landslide though, I think the country will vote for new blood in DC over existing corruption. just my 2 cents
I didn't notice the smell, but this is spot on analysis. Strongly reconsidering backing Hills as the first female POTUS because I don't want to be on the wrong side of a landslide.
But MLK didn't use violent riots to accomplish what he did. Is there an instance where he planned out a violent rebellion to advocate his beliefs?
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