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DennisK4 said:
That late? hmmm....

I am surprised you don't think the iPad 3 will get Retina display. Most of the rumors I have read seem to regard it as an almost certain feature. If it comes that late in 2012 without quadcore and Retina display I can't really see what the selling point to excite people will be.
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The fact that it's an iPad. ;)

Anyway, of course it will be March/April. One year from the last release. I think it will have a retina display, though.
 
I don't think it will have a retina display because the high resolution screen is just too expensive right now. It's higher than 1080p in a 9.7" form factor after all. Apple loves fat margins on their devices, and they really don't need a retina iPad 3 to still be the dominant tablet on the market.

Also, the fact that iOS5 mentions the higher resolution means nothing, they had reference to the retina display like two years before iPhone 4 came out.

I suspect iPad 3 will only improve CPU to 1.6GHz dualcore (up from 1GHz dualcore), higher resolution cameras, and 1GB RAM (up from 512MB iPad 2). Another reasoning for this is because it took the 4th model of iPhone to upgrade the resolution. Also, I think they're going to keep the iPad 2 design for at least 1 more model, and they'll want to tie the Retina iPad to a new design like how the iPhone 4 was a new design.
 
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Deadly Cyclone said:
Well I was going to get a Timbuk2 sleeve, but It looks like they ran out of the black and red I wanted... They only have 2 sleeves and both have ugly colors, bah.
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I have the black and red one and love it. Also have a red smart cover. Did you contact them to see if they are making more?
 
Always-honest said:
That is pricy.. can you sketch/ draw with it?
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Yep. At least as well as you can on a capacitive touch screen. It doesn't have pressure sensitivity naturally, but it's a nice companion to the procreate sketch program mentioned earlier in the thread. I'm not a very good artist so I can't really judge it's full use.
 
Retina ipad might get me to bite on one.

Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Why would they use the same processor for two years?
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Exactly. With the resolution bump it would need much stronger processor and graphics or performance will suffer.
 
Mrbob said:
Retina ipad might get me to bite on one.



Exactly. With the resolution bump it would need much stronger processor and graphics or performance will suffer.
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Well, the trend has been that they use the same graphics processor every 2 years. iPhone 1 + 2 (3G) used the same one, iPhone 3 (3GS) and 4 used the same one.

I'm not sure if performance on the graphical end will suffer. I think there's only been 2-3 games that have actually used the new GPU. Everyone is still targeting the old GPU, since it's in most current devices--3GS, iPhone 4, iPod Touch 3 and 4, and iPad 1. The 9x speed boost that they boast about might be able to handle the resolution bump.
 
Zzoram said:
1.6GHz instead of 1GHz
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They have a whole mini-company at Apple making these chips. They're not going to sit on their ass all year and just find a quick way to bump up to a faster speed. A6 will be a good jump just like A5 and A4.


Jtwo said:
Yikes, I want a retina display in the macs now. :[
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They also have 2x resolution graphics in Lion. I doubt it means they're coming next year, but within the next 5 years the dpi on the computers will double too.
 
Aaron said:
Yep. At least as well as you can on a capacitive touch screen. It doesn't have pressure sensitivity naturally, but it's a nice companion to the procreate sketch program mentioned earlier in the thread. I'm not a very good artist so I can't really judge it's full use.
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Hmmn.. Thanx. Might try it when i buy an ipad3
 
Phoenix said:
There isn't anything wrong. Apple has an algorithm through which they batch purchases together so they can avoid paying transaction fees on every single purchase you do. Its cheaper for them to get an authorization and then run 50 transactions at once in a batch. Don't worry - you'll still get charged for it :)
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Thanks for the response! I feel a bit better now, I thought I was going to have to make a few phone calls to try and figure out what is going on. So how long does it normally take for the transaction batch to go through? Or do I have to reach a certain amount of $/transactions? (and does this include the free downloads?)
 
The NY Post, the iPad and the web

Dave Winer said:
First, I don't care about the NY Post. It's always been a crap paper. In the old days it was a crap liberal paper, now it's a crap Murdoch paper.

On the other hand, I sometimes click on links that take me to the Post.

And sometimes I click on those links when I'm reading on my iPad.

Until today that meant getting an annoying interstitial page that tells me that they have an iPad app and I can get it now instead of reading the article that I came to read.

Today I was told by the Post that I couldn't read the article on the web at all. If I wanted to read the Post on my iPad I would have to download the app.

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Okay this is bad. This is breaking the web. If no one used the iPad it wouldn't matter. But lots of people use it.

I wonder how Apple feels about this? I can't imagine they like it. I can see the ads now. "Get an Android tablet to read the web."

Another thing I find really annoying is that wordpress.com shows me something vastly different when I look at one of their sites when I come on an iPad. It's the stupid trend du jour. Everyone thinks that everyone reading on the iPad wants Flipboard. If I wanted it, I would read the web using Flipboard.

The thing is this -- the iPad has a perfectly functional web browser. It isn't a "mobile" web browser. It has a full-size screen. It doesn't need any accomodations to be readable, it is readable as-is.

The solution is completely obvious. Apple could stop sending back information to the servers that identify me as an iPad user. Or give me a way to edit that information. I'll tell them I'm using an Atari 800 or an Data General/One. Or maybe an Apple IIgs. Anything but an iPad.

Stop the madness now! Please. :-)
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that’s fucking awful. it’s bad enough that we can get interstitial pages that interrupt browsing to tell us about an app... but blocking content completely is just stupid.
 
Charred Greyface said:
The NY Post, the iPad and the web
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Websites that automatically re-direct to their mobile versions are bad enough, but this is a new low. I use the Skyfire browser and set user mode to "Desktop" so that the sites think I'm on a regular computer. It sucks because Safari is my primary browser and I hate jumping around, but at least the option's there until Apple adds the setting in Safari.
 
LCfiner said:
that’s fucking awful. it’s bad enough that we can get interstitial pages that interrupt browsing to tell us about an app... but blocking content completely is just stupid.
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I guess that's what happens when you start pushing the concept of using apps as a way to go to sites. Lets not pretend thatwhenever a site was lacking, people would just say use the app as a fix. Hopefully Apple will add a desktop option setting to Safari at some point.
 
Apple doesn’t push the concept of apps to replace web sites.

they push the concept of apps to do way more than websites. They push Garageband, iWork and iMovie.

This is a shitty side effect from publishers who have their heads up their asses.
 
LCfiner said:
Apple doesn’t push the concept of apps to replace web sites.

they push the concept of apps to do way more than websites. They push Garageband, iWork and iMovie.

This is a shitty side effect from publishers who have their heads up their asses.
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I didn't say Apple pushed it. Users did and that is sort of where that mentality took off and became a normal use case for these devices. Heck it is often pushed here. So as much as it sucks and I hope that Apple adds a desktop setting, it doesn't completely surprise me that it happened.
 
Marty Chinn said:
I didn't say Apple pushed it. Users did and that is sort of where that mentality took off and became a normal use case for these devices. Heck it is often pushed here. So as much as it sucks and I hope that Apple adds a desktop setting, it doesn't completely surprise me that it happened.
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LOL, the mentality that websites should block users from visiting a basic HTML site if their user-agent is Mobile Safari?
 
Marty Chinn said:
LOL, no read again. The menatlity to use an app over using the direct website.
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Right on the money. The outrage over the lack of a Facebook app (although the website is perfectly fine on the iPad) was pretty telling.
 
Marty Chinn said:
LOL, no read again. The menatlity to use an app over using the direct website.
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That's just making a broad generalization to suit your argument. Nobody has ever argued that a site should block users from looking at their site in Mobile Safari. People have argued that websites with incompatible content should move to HTML5. People have argued that you can make up for incompatible sites with apps.

The NY Post is blocking Mobile Safari users from viewing HTML articles that are compatible with Mobile Safari.
 
numble said:
That's just making a broad generalization to suit your argument. Nobody has ever argued that a site should block users from looking at their site in Mobile Safari. People have argued that websites with incompatible content should move to HTML5. People have argued that you can make up for incompatible sites with apps.

The NY Post is blocking Mobile Safari users from viewing HTML articles that are compatible with Mobile Safari.
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You do realize who you're arguing with, right? Fish gotta swim.
 
Leona Lewis said:
Right on the money. The outrage over the lack of a Facebook app (although the website is perfectly fine on the iPad) was pretty telling.
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Can't upload photos, pop-ups appear on tap which isn't natural, the gross modal windows, etc. It's not perfectly fine.

It could be perfectly fine as a website other than the photos thing, but they haven't put any effort into making it work on tablets.
 
Leona Lewis said:
Right on the money. The outrage over the lack of a Facebook app (although the website is perfectly fine on the iPad) was pretty telling.
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The website is NOT perfectly fine on the iPad. I randomly lose comments when I try to post from Safari or iCab on the iPad 2. Meaning, I post them, see them update the page as if it posted, but when I go back to look at it on the computer, they are nowhere to be found. There's a few other annoyances as well. The iPhone Facebook app may not be great, but at least it's consistent and you know what you're going to get when you use it.
 
Leona Lewis said:
Right on the money. The outrage over the lack of a Facebook app (although the website is perfectly fine on the iPad) was pretty telling.
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the site simply doesn't work much of the time on iPad. it is and continues to be bug-ridden, inside and outside of chat.
 
What I don't understand is the photo viewing overlay on the Facebook website. First, it has never worked well on the iPad at all, and I assume it blows on other tablets as well. To me, at least, it's strange they would add a new feature without seemingly testing it on a touch device at all.

Then it was suddenly gone, and the old way of viewing pictures came back, but only on the iPad. So somebody had noticed at Facebook, it seemed. Then it came back for some reason, not at all fixed, and has made photo viewing a total chore.

The whole thing has been a fuckup.
 
Zzoram said:
I'm going to go from iPad 2 to iPad 4 or 5.
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Probably cost you the same amount if you just went from 2 to 3 to 4 to 5.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
They have a whole mini-company at Apple making these chips. They're not going to sit on their ass all year and just find a quick way to bump up to a faster speed. A6 will be a good jump just like A5 and A4.

They also have 2x resolution graphics in Lion. I doubt it means they're coming next year, but within the next 5 years the dpi on the computers will double too.
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They design the chips but ultimately they're using the ARM and PowerVR cores, so they're limited to those designs. The A15 is the next big ARM core although I'm not sure it's aimed at mobile, but it's a pretty big boost over the A8 core (which is what's in the A5)...and I'm not sure whether chips will be coming out next year or 2013. The core designs are out and licensed afaik, but it takes time to make the SoC. I wouldn't be surprised if it had it, but wouldn't be surprised if it didn't either. Quad and/or faster clocks would still be nice upgrades with the A8 if A15 isn't ready yet.

Same goes for the new PowerVR stuff (which sounds awesomely ridiculous), it might be too soon for an early year iPad release for all we know. And adding cores is more effective with the GPUs than CPU since PowerVR's stuff basically scales linearly with more cores.

As for Lion's 2x stuff, I could see it being used for UI scaling (just another high quality raster asset to scale) rather than super high res displays, or at least as a nice benefit until those displays show up.
 
Will be taking the dive on one of these as soon as they have a resolution bump. I was using an iP2 for a while at work, and going back to my iPhone 4 made me even more thankful for the retinas
 
dyls said:
What I don't understand is the photo viewing overlay on the Facebook website. First, it has never worked well on the iPad at all, and I assume it blows on other tablets as well. To me, at least, it's strange they would add a new feature without seemingly testing it on a touch device at all.

Then it was suddenly gone, and the old way of viewing pictures came back, but only on the iPad. So somebody had noticed at Facebook, it seemed. Then it came back for some reason, not at all fixed, and has made photo viewing a total chore.

The whole thing has been a fuckup.
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There'll be a new mobile site for touch devices and an ipad app soon...
 
Flunkie said:
iPad 2 people: white or black? I think I'm getting one today or soon, and I can't decide!
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White is just absurd. It's so distracting. Would you buy a TV with a white bezel?
 
I was actually 99% going to buy the black one until I went to the Apple store and saw them side by side. The white seemed more complementary to the chrome on the back of the ipad than the black (disclaimer: I don't use a case that covers the back). I also noticed that the black bezel seemed to show off fingerprints and smudges much more noticeably than the white bezel.

I also liked the contrast between the white bezel and the bright colors of the ipad screen. I use mine for personal entertainment/leisure/travel. I would've probably gone black if I used a black cover or used it for business use though.
 
I made my own capacitive pen to try it out, and I didn't get on with it. I rest the side of my hand on the surface when sketching, and this mucks everything up. To make it feel anything like my Wacom tablet, I need to wear a glove to guard against unwanted multitouch. And that's just not practical for me. I'm sure the Bamboo stylus is nicer to hold than my homemade effort, but it'll still suffer the same issue.
 
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