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Apple iPhone 6 [OT]
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It seems like a logical OS implementation. Why on Earth do the apps needs to list themselves from the top of the screen down?
TheDrowningMan
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Pretty sure I'm going with a 128GB 6 now, but I wouldn't worry too much about stuttering on the 6 - both of last year's iPads had plenty of kinks at first. I doubt it'll be anywhere near that for the 6.
He says a lot of positive things about the 6 Plus in there, but the large size clearly just isn't for him.
The scaling solution seems good. Seems like it's mostly just a few extra bugs on 6 Plus that should be fixed reasonably quickly. I realized reading through the scaling section that any video player I download is going to be upscaled at first, making any 1080p content on it useless until they update the app. Sad about that, but again it should get fixed soon.
TheDrowningMan
Member
There'll be some frustrating holdouts though! I remember the jump to retina and then the 4" screen.
PopCap didn't update their games for retina display for like a year, it was awful. Welcome to blurry Bookworm, it was an unplayable pixelated mess on iPad.
Don't think so but doesn't that model have a feature where you tap the home button (not press) to move the top of the screen's bits to the bottom so they're within reach?
Edit: This:
https://vimeo.com/105692354
Uh.... so my $460 charge from AT&T is gone from my bank account... should I be worried
I was guaranteed a del date of the 19th.
it was probably a "hold" not not a final charge.
they'll charge when it ships
Keylime
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The reviews are pretty much saying exactly what I expected:
- The 6+ is a bit unwieldy for 1-hand use
- The 6+'s screen size makes usage a joy
- The 6+'s performance is not on par with the 6
...I'm mentally ready for all of this. I think I'm going to be OK...
I have not read that.
I've only read one review about performance not being on par with the Plus.
The 'performance issues' seem to be mostly bugs that'll be easily patched. As is common with new device lines & form factors. I don't think it's much to worry about.
Reviews all basically saying the same thing. You want a big phone? 6 Plus is that with a few perks. Otherwise get a 6.
Reviews all basically saying the same thing. You want a big phone? 6 Plus is that with a few perks. Otherwise get a 6.
Keylime
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It was mentioned in Gruber's review:
...and I believe at least one other. I'm not at all shocked by it (and others shouldn't be either). I'd say to set your expectations to: As good at best, slightly worse at worst than the iPhone 6 in terms of performance.
Not trying to imply the 6+ is dogshit or anything next to the iPhone 6, but a slightly upclocked processor pushing more than twice the pixels shouldn't have the same performance in all scenarios. In fact I think it's literally impossible that it could. Doesn't mean it's bad, it's just not as good.
Interfectum
Member
"Sometimes jittery" is not proof that the Plus has sub-par performance to the 6.
I personally find the scaling modes on the retina Macbooks bothersome so perhaps I'm more sensitive to these displays. I'll have to check out the 6+ for myself on Friday. I'm very tempted to go with a 6+ paired with a Pebble Steel until the AppleWatch comes out (Motorola still hasn't announced the release date of the Moto360 here in Canada).
Keylime
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Certainly not damning. I think I'm coming across stronger than I'm intending.
Trust me, I want the 6+ to be exactly as performant as the iPhone 6, I just literally think it's impossible.
Anyone who's built a few computers or played around with overclocking can tell you that bumping your processor by 200mhz doesn't magically let you play a game at 720p @ 60 frames to 1080p at @ 60 frames.
We can be phone brothers! And Watch brothers, later! Like two peas, you and I...
Only apple's apps have been updated for the Plus display. We don't know how third party apps will perform when they all have x3 Retina HD graphics as well...
Haha, yeah, I'll probably have to wait a month or so, until the supply isn't so constrained, to find one. Don't abandon the 6+ for the 6 before thenWe can be phone brothers! And Watch brothers, later! Like two peas, you and I...
Certainly not damning. I think I'm coming across stronger than I'm intending.
Trust me, I want the 6+ to be exactly as performant as the iPhone 6, I just literally think it's impossible.
Anyone who's built a few computers or played around with overclocking can tell you that bumping your processor by 200mhz doesn't magically let you play a game at 720p @ 60 frames to 1080p at @ 60 frames.
We can be phone brothers! And Watch brothers, later! Like two peas, you and I...
Indeed, just look at the IPad Air. Apple's made some good optimizations with IOS 7 since release, but there are still occasions where the Ipad stutters or lags. It doesn't happen often, but it's there.
I find that my 5S does almost everything almost instantaneously.
I remember the days of going from a 2 minute boot up sequence (and longer) to today where my rMBP boots up in less than 15 seconds.
So I find it hard to appreciate all this talk of hypothetical "performance increases"; it seems increasingly to be almost imperceptibly incrimental. (Yeah I know I don't game on Mobile, and maybe folks that do that notice the performance a lot more.)
The performance on iPhones that I have experienced in recent years is simply fantastic even on older devices. There are so many other things that I find vastly more important like Camera quality and battery life.
I remember the days of going from a 2 minute boot up sequence (and longer) to today where my rMBP boots up in less than 15 seconds.
So I find it hard to appreciate all this talk of hypothetical "performance increases"; it seems increasingly to be almost imperceptibly incrimental. (Yeah I know I don't game on Mobile, and maybe folks that do that notice the performance a lot more.)
The performance on iPhones that I have experienced in recent years is simply fantastic even on older devices. There are so many other things that I find vastly more important like Camera quality and battery life.
some geekbench results show 6+ A8 is clocked higher. but there's doubt that this is accurate and might be some dynamic reclocking thing.
on other end of things, 6+ has occasional animation jitters in springboard. not a benchmark thing, but visible to users.
Keylime
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Just imagine you have two guys, one guy weighs 100 pounds and another guy weighs 200 pounds. Both of these guys have the exact same strength measurements. They can bench the same weight, deadlift the same weight, squat the same weight. They are equally as strong.
Now you ask both of them to perform a pull-up.
The 100 pound person is able to do more pull-ups than his equally as strong 200 pound friend, just simply because he weighs less.
...
This is exactly the scenario (more or less) that is going on with the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+. They both are equally as strong, but the 6+ has a lot more to do to accomplish the same goal depending on the task.
GalacticMouse
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The 6+ is pushing twice the pixels on screen than the 6 while also running a "desktop-class" scaler. That's what would be taking the performance down.
silentspork
Member
This is what I was worried about. I get sort of an iPad 3 vibe from the 6 Plus. I'm sure it will be great for those that want it but I'm willing to sit out a year or so and let them iron issues out.
bodyofanamerican
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Anyone else order AT&T through Apple.com and still only "preparing for shipment"?
edit: and still scheduled for 9/19 delivery.
edit: and still scheduled for 9/19 delivery.
Keylime
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I got my tracking number from UPS by searching by Reference Number and punching in my phone number.
Ordered through Apple.com.
My label was made yesterday and I have next-day air ready to get me by 9/19.
Awwww yis.
Mine is still listed as Preparing for Shipment. Try this trick to see if you're OK.
Ordered through Apple.com.
My label was made yesterday and I have next-day air ready to get me by 9/19.
Awwww yis.
Mine is still listed as Preparing for Shipment. Try this trick to see if you're OK.
Yes, and I'm honestly not expecting it to change until tomorrow.
This works for me too. Billing phone number, not mobile phone number.
Haloid1177
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Called AT&T yesterday it see what models they'd have for walk ins. Guy told me that they weren't sure but they expect to have some amount of each. Not encouraged.
bodyofanamerican
Member
Thanks! Looks like the shipping label is created. Is that where yours is at now?
Keylime
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Yep yep. We should be all good to go.
If things don't look different tomorrow later in the day, we can initiate full blown panic mode.
noomi
Member
What a great analogy! This makes sense, makes me feel a bit better about going with the 6 over 6+. Either way, I'm sure both phones will be great
Maninthemirror
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the performance of 6+ is still on par if not better than 5S. if 5% less than 6 is not being on par then we go into semantics
HUELEN10
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5 percent is sizable, specially when considering the cost.
It's painfully obvious; if you have a 5S, getting this phone, ESPECIALLY the larger variant, is a complete waste of money.
Keylime
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I'm really not overly worried about it. The main thing I was looking for in the reviews was that nothing obviously was falling on it's face with the 6+ compared to the 6, which holds up at least so far.
I do expect Anandtech's review to give me a better understanding of the true impact of all of this, but until them, from a layman's perspective, it seems like all is well.
Well, that is if you don't want a larger screen, a thinner phone, a better camera, larger capacity, larger battery or Apple Pay!
Maninthemirror
Banned
a quote on OIS in the 6 Plus from one of the reviews
Yeah, I hope this was said in jest.
I don't agree. It depends on what you are getting the phone for. If you think the 5s or any phone before it was too small, and the 6 isn't big enough, then the + is a huge deal for someone that wants a bigger screen. Plus, the 6 and 6 + have different builds (IMO I prefer the slimmer/curved physical build to the squared/tapered off of 4 and 5. I think 4 and 5 looked better, but I mean in terms of ergonomics).
The display is also better on the 6 + then 5s, and has a much better battery. So I would say, it seems like a very good media device compared to 5s. If the 5s already felt instant for some folks, I don't think 5% really is that massive of a deal (personally). Now, if the phone lagged and was crashing (and this was a constant problem), then yeah that would be unacceptable.
I just don't agree that it's painfully obvious that it's a complete waste of money if you have the 5s. Depends on your needs, and what you are getting a bigger phone for. I can agree though that in the larger scheme of things, the 6 and + are a disappointment in terms of spec upgrades to 5s. Folks that don't need an upgrade should probably hold off until a better revision is done.
EDIT:
I can agree with this though:
HUELEN10
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Nah, I'm serious. IMO, if you have a 5S, you should plop down the 650+ USD on next year's phone (S to S) as opposed to getting this one; it will end up being a better value.
Keylime
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David Pogue's review over at Yahoo actually tests the OIS in an extreme case (clipped to a bike and recording video) and it's actually really nice: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/when-apple-unveiled-the-iphone-6-last-week-it-97685451544.html
Granted, an extreme example, but it was enough of a test to show me that the feature is more than just a talking point.
Maninthemirror
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the performance being better than 5S which is still a better performing phone than 90% phones on the market is a plus. with the size benefit going to 6 plus and the mobility factor going with 6q