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Apple reports Q2 results ($11.6 billion profit/$39.2 billion revenue)
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Is Apple's trackpad just as awesome as it is on Windows? I've had my Zenbook for almost half a year now and I don't think I've used the trackpad much at all (always carry a travel mouse with me on business trips). I did consider MBA when I bought my laptop last Nov, but decided to go with Zenbook since it runs W7 natively and is 1600x900. And also because I think Zenbook is absolutely the best looking laptop available, its stunning in person.
I kinda hope it was the "hippie friends" comment that did it. I'm sick and tired of all the ragging on users of the company's products. it's tiresome and it shits up threads.
The Zenbook looks nice but the parts they use are pretty cheap. Especially the trackpad and keyboard. It's rather insane since it costs just as much as a MBA.
Foliorum Viridum
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Do Apple do a lot for charity? They're in the position now where they really, really should be.
They match employee donations under Tim Cook now.
SirChained
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Yeah, thanks to the stepping down of Steve Jobs.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57370922-37/apple-ceo-tim-cook-donates-$100-million-to-charity/
The only complaints I have with it are the TN screen (god it has such terrible viewing angle), and the lack of backlit keyboard. I have no problem with the keyboard (still can type ~80 WPM on it, though its shit compare to my Das Keyboard at home
) and I don't use the trackpad much at all. Also I think its a bit cheaper than the MBA, not counting student discount and all that.Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
Pleeeeease announce the next gen iPod touch
The iPod touch is dead - I'm calling it.
more awesome. I'd almost buy a MBP/MBA just for the trackpad. Both the size and responsiveness is a level above most windows laptops (haven't used a zenbook)
can't say I agree... that's their entry point for kids or for those who cant afford a pricey phone contract
iphone revenue may dwarf ipod revenue but the touch is still important to Apple as the lowest price point iOS device - a lot of those people will "upgrade" to an iphone or ipad.
If they ever do a 7" iPad, that would be the lowest price iOS device, and they'll kill the iPod Touch. If not, then you're right.
hmm. maybe. I still think there's value in a pocket sized portable computer. not just small bag sized. I hope Apple feels the same way.
I wonder, should they ever release a 7" iOS device, if they'll stagger pricing of base models so it's 150-200 for the touch, then 300 for the 7" thing. then 400 for the low end ipad, and 500 for the current ipad.
Jill Sandwich
the turds of Optimus Prime
That's what I'm pinning my prediction on.
Keylime
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Philosophically, Apple is a pretty polarizing company for tech savvy folks. I completely understand the "Apple is an evil corporation who treats their users as mindless zombies who can't be trusted with a toothpick".
I know I hated them actively...like going out of my way to criticize them angrily...for the longest time until I decided to give the products a try to get what all the fervor was about. Got a Macbook Pro and used it as my main system. Came with a free iPod Touch. Replaced the iPod Touch and my Windows Phone with an iPhone. Ended up getting a Mac Mini for an entertainment center PC. Got AirPort routers for my home networking. Replaced my wife's crappy laptop with a base model Macbook for easier home integration and troubleshooting. Wife upgraded to an iPhone when her contract on her Droid was up...
It's just a slow and steady conversion once you buy into the whole ecosystem. Apple products work with other Apple products incredibly well. Whether that's networking between devices, sharing content between devices, viewing content purchased through iTunes... when you convert to a full Apple experience, computing becomes much less about tweaking and troubleshooting and much more about doing.
Obviously there are benefits to not going this entire route (more personal control, broader selection of devices, cheaper...etc)...but there are benefits to doing it as well (natural product integration of services and content, easier maintainability...prettier...)
I get the angst and hate...I just wish it was presented more rationally. There's valid debate to be had about the subject, but it doesn't seem like rational debate is really ever had except in rare instances of certain threads. I doubt I'd have been very rational when debating the subject myself before actually giving everything a whirl first-hand myself....so again I get it. Doesn't make it any less frustrating.
So Apple = Reapers?
I had some major problems with OSX when I experimented with it 3 years ago mainly stemming from a lack of software. But now that Win7 forces that libraries crap on me that I hate with a passion, I'm ready to go back, since I do most of my work in a VMWare XP box anyways.
This is fucking amazing. Has there ever been a product that has had this kind of growth with such a revision?Found this on Verge comment thread, crazy growth.
Anyway, what hit me is how low iPod's impact is now. That's crazy low and it never really hit me until now.. Oh and is there an iPad chart like that, showing the quarter-by-quater growth?
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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This better mean they're finally bringing the iPhone to t-mobile.
Keylime
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I don't know...considering Sprint had to commit to something like $15-20 billion dollars in iPhone purchases before Apple would let them carry it, I don't think T-Mobile would really have any kind of ability to make it worth it to Apple to support them.
Although Apple let's little Mom+Pop carriers have the iPhone these days...so who knows.
What's the benefit of T-Mobile, anyways? Do they just have crazy cheap plans or something?
TMobile would easily raise the cash, they just got $3 billion for free from AT&T. The iPhone is on something like 6 or more regional US carriers now. They're already converting spectrum to be iPhone compatible and giving out microSIM cards for unlocked phones.
People stick to carriers because of grandfathered contracts, business plans, or what have you.
They work better in certain areas of the country. Still, all they need to do is include support for T-mobile's weird 1700Mhz 3G band on the iPhone.
Getting an iPhone with a plan is stupid now since Apple sells the iPhone unlocked. $649 iphone + $45/month unlimited service from Straight talk for 2 years costs less than $199 iphone + $70/month limited service from AT&T.
Is the "straight talk" plan a t-mobile thing? wouldn't you be limited to EDGE speeds if you were on t-mobile with an iPhone because of their 3G frequency? that's gotta be a deal breaker for a lot of people who want to use the iphone more as a connected device and not just a phone
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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The new plan that T-mobile has for prepaid is a lot cheaper. $30 for unlimited data (4G speeds for first 5 GBs), unlimited text, and 100 talk minutes.
All they have to do now is support t-mobile's band. You can use one right now with no problems except MMS I think (that might even be fixed) if you buy one of the unlocked ones, you're just stuck with edge speeds though due to the lack of support for the t-mobile 3g band.
Straight talk is a different company I believe, don't think it's anything with t-mobile. And ya, that's why he said they just need to support the band, you can use unlocked phones on t-mobile prepaid but if the phone doesn't support the band you get the slower speed. Any unlocked phone that supports the band works like any other phone you would buy from t-mobile.
Keylime
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Apple is working on their global distribution hardcore, opening stores all over the place. They're only realistically hitting like 1/5 of the Chinese market right now or something if I'm remembering that stat correctly.
Don't think they're anywhere close to market saturation.
- Keep increasing global availability
- Keep releasing good products
- Keep banking insane stacks of cash
Stumpokapow
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The bull case on Apple, without commenting on whether I agree or disagree with it, is:
a) China
b) Retail
c) While Apple enjoys strong marketshare in virtually every field it operates in, many of those fields have not yet expanded to the size they're likely to (IE Apple has a strong marketshare in smartphones, but so many dumbphones are still sold and those people will eventually transition to smartphones)
d) While Apple enjoys strong marketshare in many fields, often #1, they have not achieved a majority marketshare in phones or laptops/desktops. So there's "growth" not in Apple vs HP or Apple vs Toshiba, but in Apple versus ALL PC MANUFACTURERS.
e) Apple has thusfar been good at achieving greater than 1:1 substitution as new products transition in and old products transition out.
The profit margin per phone is probably more important for sustainability. The growth is something extra that shoots the stock price higher. They're still only 6% of the total market, the free iPhone 3GS is basically an AT&T exclusive and presumably a free iPhone 4 will have major availability at the end of this year, they're still not on the largest China carrier or TMobile, so there's lots of room for growth.
Whenever growth stops--it settles down to people upgrading their phones every 2 years--even if they're just upgrading the free model, there is similar profit margin. If growth has just stopped today and it settles at 30-35 million iPhones per quarter, that's still more profit than nearly every other company. Of course, Apple would need to worry about people switching, but the ecosystem is pretty good at locking people in.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Well the idea is, as well, that if the iPhone "tops out", newer products will be in growth cycles, same way as the iPhone was in a growth cycle when the iPod "topped out". I can't speculate on what future products would be, clearly the Holy Grail Apple Television is something analysts have worked themselves into a frenzy about (I think in part due to the biography choosing to mention that particular project)
The iPod topped out because people transitioned to using their phones for music and there came a point when upgrades where marginal and incremental ala PCs and laptops. I think there's a difference with phones because the carriers basically bribe you to upgrade every 18 months to 3 years. And Apple has positioned to take advantage of this even in the "free phone with contract" space. Nobody is bribing you to upgrade your iPod (sometimes for free) every 2 years.
I think the iPad might have a higher risk of "topping out" than the iPhone. Nobody is bribing you to upgrade every 2 years. But it's growing faster than the iPhone was, so who knows.
Straight talk is a MVNO with deals with all the big carriers. You get to choose which network you want. You can choose between AT&T and T-mobile. You get proper 3G/4G just like you would with AT&T if you choose AT&T.
hey, thanks for clearing that up. that definitely makes some sense for someone considering AT&T if they can handle that upfront phone cost. And especially if they can use the unlocked phone in other countries with travel.
You should have seen the cascade of meltdowns in the locked thread about iPad sales that appeared in the gaming side forum yesterday.
maybe I'm glad I missed it. I barely skim through gaming side these days.
I might search for it just for kicks now that it's locked, though
maybe I'm glad I missed it. I barely skim through gaming side these days.
I might search for it just for kicks now that it's locked, though
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=471537
Post #9 is where things get interesting. Lol.
Phoenician_Viking
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Why not converge MAC and IOS?
because their UIs are made for entirely different input methods. because their memory management is designed for different limitations (No VM on iOS). because developer APIs and restrictions are different for each device (files can't be stored where a user wants them to on iOS). because converging them into one product would restrict the release schedule of one product based on the needs of another.
there's no good reason to merge them. I've never read one compelling reason why they should be one OS. it's always just an appeal to theoretical simplicity.
@Tobor. that vita call out in the thread was brutal. and very likely to be true, too. ouch.
Cygnus X-1
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WTF. Seriously? These are numbers that are more similar to a budget of an entire year of a small country.
Post 16 is the one that left me speechless.
$649 + ($45*24 months) = $1729
$200 + ($70*24 months) = $1880
The difference between contract and no-contract is actually pretty negligible unless you are able to get your phone for $300 or less. Paying Apple's full price on an unlocked phone more-or-less negates the price advantage of using a prepaid carrier.
Straight Talk's speeds are throttled by AT&T, so you get unlimited use but not at the speeds you want.
Once T-Mobile's 3G works with the iPhone, that will be the best deal in cellular for heavy data users.
Cygnus X-1
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They have so much money right now that the next incredible step they could undergo for the american manufacturing is to shift all the production to the USA. What an amazing thing would be for so many unemployed people.
Thanks, beat me to it.
Yes, and then not being able to sell iPads, which would probably double in price.
The $70 plan with AT&T does not include:
- taxes ($5-10 depending on where you live)
- $36 activation fee
- texting
- unlimited talk vs. pathetic 450 minutes with AT&T.
So not only you have to add at least $120 to AT&T cost, you need to add more if you need more minutes or texting.
Also, the data throttling only happens after the 2GB cap has been exceeded, which is the same cap as AT&T. I know from my friend who uses it daily on his iPhone.
Therefore your math is flawed, the AT&T route costs a good $300 more at least.
You can also sell your phone every year when the new iPhone comes out. This can be very profitable if you go abroad. AT&T won't unlock your iPhone unless your contract is up.
In other words: lol Windows 8 you so dumb. And I can't say I disagree. It's a shame too because I like Windows 7, whereas I'm not sure I see the point in buying a new version whose focus was for tablets -- a category of products which doesn't cover all the same uses as a regular computer and uses a vastly different interface.
Look, I love me some Apple products, but this is classic Apple PR spin.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/25/tech/mobile/apple-ceo-windows-8/index.html
With all the changes to OS X in Lion and Mountain Lion, convergence between iOS and OS X is inevitable. Maybe not in the same way as Windows 8, but probably close. This just seems like a classic "who reads anymore?" or "Who would ever want to watch video on their iPod?" type of misdirection.
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