Dynamite Shikoku
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you're so hip you out-hip apple hipsters
Apple sells 3 million new iPads in 3 days
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you're so hip you out-hip apple hipsters
Raonak
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Now that i've seen wario's other thread
it seems like he's just trying to push the boundaries/troll. so im ok with this thread
it seems like he's just trying to push the boundaries/troll. so im ok with this thread
I remember "they'll nickel & dime us!" and "they'll make us patch all of our games!". On reflection, that wasn't baseless.
michaelius
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Why do people think that Nintendo= console industry ?
The only reason why we are seeing huge YOY drops is because Wii fad is over while Sony and Microsoft are selling as much consoles as they did in previous years.
And honestly you think that facebook is draining money from gamers market? Do you see Call of Duty crowd throwing money at Farmville ?
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
This has nothing to do with gaming. wario does love trolling.
whalleywhat
Member
fuk an ipad.
Once upon a time Atari and Nintendo released drastically inferior consoles that put the shits up the creators of superior arcade gaming experiences and arcade operators. It was a slow and drawn-out death but it happened all the same.
The game is about to change again and people don't like it.
dreamcastmaster
Banned
Great presentation, I agree with that and he's put in historical case studies to support his view.
bigtroyjon
Member
He's cherry picking a specific time period and then for some reason changes the time period when he's talking about Microsoft and Sony's profits from gaming since if he used that same time period Microsoft has made about 3-4 billion dollars.
He's not giving out incorrect information, he is just abusing the data to fit his agenda and the overall message is flawed because the market caps of the newer companies like Zynga are purely based on growth potential due to how new the business is. Should be comparing revenue for all the big publishers and the newer companies and maybe he'd have something worth talking about.
edit-Also like how he completely ignores the success of the PS3 and 360 over the last couple of years. That doesn't fit into the narrative so I guess we can't talk about a console peaking in it's 7th year on the market doing something no other console has.
But sheep have hooves, they can't possibly use a touch screen.
Sorc3r3r
Member
Awesome sales, but without proper controls,buttons and sticks, the game experience will be limited in depth and genres, imho.
It's about needs , no doubt a lot of people are satisfied in their gaming needs with the ipad, and more so the newer generations, i began playing in the great '80s, my gaming vision is very far from what i device are offering right now.
It's about needs , no doubt a lot of people are satisfied in their gaming needs with the ipad, and more so the newer generations, i began playing in the great '80s, my gaming vision is very far from what i device are offering right now.
Wiktor
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Web social games make even less money than 99 cent games. And they have ads all over the place. I don't see how Apple convincing people to pay money instead of playing free flash games actually hurts the industry.
Er, what? Read my post below. Fall of the Wii didn't help, but it was mid 2010 before that happened.
Mario said:
Er, no. I'm saying the opposite. Facebook is bringing in new gamers and money.
Marty Chinn
Member
Read the thread. 99 cents is not a sustainable price point for the long term. That's bad for the industry.
Dafuq
Your argument is that free social flash games on the web is a better way to serve that market?
Finally, the #2 App Store market is China, where consoles like the Wii aren't even sold.
He's subtle in trying to teeter things in his favor. I was confused when I saw it but when he made a comparison between 2005's phone capabilities to consoles, he seemed to pick franchises that had PS3 entries and used images from those games to cater the argument that the console race is slow on building on power. I'm quite sure God of War 3 and Gran Turismo 5 were not PS2 games, let alone released in 2005. He also ignored the rebound the 3DS has had, but specifically highlighted Michael Pachter as the key person to highlight that Nintendo is in disarray.
I find arguments like this hard to accept neutrally when the presenter has already chosen a side, so no shit he's going to defend it to justify that decision. Are people surprised by this?
Marty Chinn
Member
Where did I ever argue that?
.Marty Chinn said:
iOS serves a new market that weren't going to pay $40-60 for games in the first place. You argue that web social gaming and the Wii should serve them.
Marty Chinn
Member
I was arguing that casual gamers had an avenue of games being made for them. That didn't have anything to do with good or bad for the industry. Just that they were being addressed in some fashion.
Isn't it better for the industry that these people are now paying for games instead of playing free flash games?
heliconsoul
Member
What an insightful comment, I don't really feeling the fucking an iPad but thanks.
whalleywhat
Member
Who said anything about fucking one?
heliconsoul
Member
You did. Was just drawing attention to the childishness of your post.
Marty Chinn
Member
It's not that simple. How do we know those people aren't just playing free iOS games? It's not as black and white as you are trying to ask here.
I've been replacing my iPad every year since the original. The how is very simple, I just make an order and it arrives to my place after whatever time it takes. Buying from Apple's online store is very straightforward. The why, is also easy, it is cheap enough that I can buy a new one every year without even registering on my balance sheet.
Are you saying that the people buying iOS games would've been purchasing console games to begin with?
What about the iOS games sold in China, where consoles and handhelds aren't even sold? The top 3 apps sold in China are Modern Combat by Gameloft, Where's My Water, and Fruit Ninja. These people wouldn't have been buying console games because they can't buy them outside of the marked up gray market.
I don't think its as black and white as you are trying to put it, either.
In November, one of our paid 99c games was at #6 in the Top Overall US charts. It was making great money. That game has a corresponding free version which has cut down functionality. The free version was making 3 times as much money as the paid version in ad revenues.
What is wrong with "free" exactly?
I bet I can trace your lineage right the way back to King Canute.
Now that is interesting.
Yeah if the rest of the console manufacturers want to impress me, have preorders delivered to my door on launch day for free shipping.
OneMoreQuestion
Member
I think this is much worse. But yeah, Xbox was pretty bad too.
You are in no place to demand anything. iOS is a gaming platform, Android is not, at least not in any significant way that is worth mentioning.
Ads?
What? Why is one considered a game platform and the other is not when they're in the same market?
If "dudebro" and "PC master race" are bannable offences and this kind of posts aren't, I don't want to live on this board anymore.
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/apple_continues_make_huge_margin_new_ipad
Jesus Christ, dat profit. I dare anyone to say they aren't overpricing this goddamn thing.
Why do some people assume R&D is free? There is a lot of hours of design and engineering and testing that went into the iPad before the 1st one was made.
Maybe the number of games or the amount of 3rd party support?
Baloonatic
Member
One is owned by Apple and is very successful and the other isn't.
katsubento
Member
That's pretty awesome.
Ride it out. I figure we've got 6 more months before people resign themselves to the obvious: it's a valid games platform.
What a horrible pill to have to swallow. More choice! Tiered pricing! Free updates! It's all so horrible!
These kinds of threads are made because they hit a nerve for a lot of people here. Posting Android figures wouldn't have the same effect.
So they've basically made at least a billion in profit in the first few days of release.
What other company on the planet can boast that kind of return, ever?
perfectchaos007
Member
Not surprising at all really. I would imagine most developers would prefer people download the free games w/advertising as opposed to the $.99 version w/o advertising. The latter is a one time sale, while the former will continuously generate a stream of cash flow from advertisers. The more people who play the free version with advertisements, the more money the developer will accumulate because the impressions would be higher and advertisers will naturally pay more for more impressions
How did 3 million units translate to 1 billion dollars profit? If Apple makes $200 on every unit sold (unrealistic) then they would have made 600 million dollar in profit. But that's moot because it doesn't take into account the initial cost of developing the iPad. Apple employs 60,000 and none of them are as assembly workers.
That's a silly reason. The 32X and Wonderswan are game platforms, even if they have a small number of games and had a lack of third parties making games for it.
If iOS is considered a game platform because it has games on it now, the same applies to Android in principle, even if it's not as successful or rich in content.
Apple's gross margins are clear in their financial reports (44.7% last quarter), and their margins are lower than Microsoft (73% last quarter) and Google (65% last quarter).
Unlike Microsoft and Google, Apple has to pay for retail stores and retail employees to man those stores, including on-site warranty replacements instead of having people ship it to a depot and wait a couple of weeks to get their devices back.
I can't claim to be able to draw the line at just the right mark however the way I see it is similarly to why Windows was considered a gaming platform but Mac wasn't. With software platforms (OSes) it isn't as clear cut because they weren't purpose made for gaming. And also the 32X and Wonderswan were from a bygone era. In that time context they were gaming consoles.
Haunted
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Someone really needs to find a solution to the no-button conundrum before sceptical GAFers can take touchscreen-only devices seriously as a possible replacement for their main gaming systems. Competent graphics and high production values (while keeping prices low) are already going a long way to reconcile gamer's fears, but the limited controls are still a major barrier.
edit: obviously applies to console only people
edit: obviously applies to console only people