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Don't Rule Out Apple Ruling Your Living Room

Bloomberg said:
The new Apple TV fits into Steve Jobs' entertainment vision

Apple's (AAPL) decade-long run of iPod-, iPhone-, and iPad-fueled prosperity has featured only one notable dud. Introduced in 2006, Apple TV is a set-top box used to play movies and other digital fare on a TV via iTunes on a Mac or PC. Apple has sold fewer than 3 million of them, estimates Kaufman Bros. analyst Shaw Wu. The company sold that many iPads in three months.

And yet, at a Sept. 1 event in San Francisco, Steve Jobs announced that Apple is bringing out a less-than-revolutionary upgrade. The new Apple TV looks different—it's black, not white, and at 3.9 inches square, is 75 percent smaller than the old one—and you now rent rather than buy movies and TV shows. (The price has also fallen, from $229 to $99.) Otherwise, its function is mostly unchanged. "You're still looking at a product for the Apple fanatics," says technology marketing consultant David Clarke of BGT Partners.

So why bother? Even Jobs concedes the device is mainly for tech hobbyists, and most of the Sept. 1 event was dedicated to the revelation of a new line of iPods and a social networking feature that works within iTunes. What Jobs didn't say is that Apple wants to become king of the living room. He tells Bloomberg Businessweek that when the time is right, Apple could open an App Store for the TV that could do for television sets what all those apps have done for the iPhone. Asked if the iPad could evolve into the TV of tomorrow, Jobs shrugs and says, "That's how I do most of my TV watching today."

RIGHTS OBSTACLE
Still, the timing for such an evolution isn't upon us, Jobs says. Apple's biggest obstacle may be that it doesn't have the rights to sell shows the way it wants. Many studios, nervous about angering the cable companies that pay billions for their content, refused Apple's efforts late last year to put together a subscription service, say three media executives involved in the talks, who requested anonymity because they did not have approval to discuss the negotiations. Consumers would have been able to purchase only those shows they want in an a la carte model, rather than pay for hundreds of channels they never watch.

Apple gave up on that idea this past spring, say the executives. Rather than continue to fight a losing battle to replace the cable box, the company refocused on making it iPod-simple to watch shows across all of its devices. With a new software update coming in November, fans of the Fox show Glee, for example, will be able to rent an episode, start watching on their iPhones during the morning commute, watch some more on the PC during lunch, and finish up after work with the iPad or Apple TV.

Rather than seek drastic pricing changes from studios, Apple pressed for the right to rent their TV shows for 99¢ per episode, say the executives involved in the discussions. Apple already was selling many movies for $9.99 and TV shows for $1.99 ($2.99 for high-def) on iTunes. The new thinking: A flat 99¢ price per episode—$4.99 for movies—might spark a change in TV watchers' behavior, just as it did in music a decade ago. Apple executives, led by Internet services Vice-President Eddy Cue, argued that it could mean billions in incremental sales for the studios as 120 million Apple device owners rent missed episodes to watch on the grocery line or airplane, says one of the executives.

Even that proved to be a difficult victory. Studio chiefs are getting hit with new TV schemes from every direction. Netflix (NFLX), Yahoo! (YHOO), and Amazon.com (AMZN) have deals with mobile handset makers, TV set manufacturers, and other hardware companies. Google (GOOG) is coming out with its own offering, which will initially run on Sony (SNE) TVs and Logitech (LOGI) set-top boxes. In the end, only News Corp.'s (NWS) 20th Century Fox unit and Walt Disney's (DIS) ABC have agreed to provide shows for Apple to rent. In News Corp.'s case, the agreement is for a trial period. (Jobs is Disney's largest shareholder and sits on the company's board.)

A LA CARTE IN THE FUTURE?
If Hollywood isn't ready to distribute TV as Jobs would like it, Apple is still well positioned to pull off an a la carte model in the future. All of its devices function easily together, tied by software that no other consumer technology company has been able to match for utility and style. "Today's announcements were just a stepping stone," says Michael Gartenberg, a partner at consulting firm Altimeter Group. "TV is too important for Apple to ignore." If Apple keeps growing the way it has, it may be too big for the media giants to ignore: Apple has 160 million credit-card numbers on file thanks to iTunes, while Comcast (CMCSA) has 23 million.

A big question will be whether Apple opens an App Store for Apple TV. If it does that, and history repeats itself, thousands of developers might then race to create programs suited to the TV. Tim Westergren, chief executive officer of the streaming music service Pandora, is already dreaming of the possibilities for his business. "When I was a kid, I used to stare at album covers for hours," he says. "This could be a big, interactive album cover."

None of this will come cheap for Apple. The company is putting the finishing touches on a $1 billion, 500,000-square-foot data center set off a two-lane road in rural Maiden, N.C., population 3,200. If you stand by the cemetery behind Cedar Grove Baptist Church, you can get a pretty good look at the site through the trees. Code-named Project Dolphin by local officials, Apple's facility could be used for storing your iTunes music and video, or to take on Facebook in a bigger way. Apple isn't saying. Whatever the company is cooking up, it'll be big, says David J. Cappuccio, an analyst with Gartner (IT): "Any company that is investing a billion dollars must have some serious plans."

The bottom line: The Apple TV update won't wow consumers, but it's a long-term bet on Apple's place in the living room.
 
Charred Greyface said:
The screen has already been mentioned. The iPod touch doesn't have flash. It's as yet unknown if the microphone on the back is equivalent to the noise cancelling technology in the iPhone4. The battery life of iPhone4 is better. The iPod Touch only has WiFi assisted GPS.
oh ok, I see where you are coming from (except for Flash & GPS???)

I suppose it becomes an issue of complaining on principle or because things actually bother/disappoint me.

Is the screen not perfect at every angle like the iPhones disappointing? Of course.
Will I ever use my iPod at extreme viewing angles to notice the difference? No.

Is it possible the microphone lacks noise canceling, and would it be disappointing if true? Of course.
How often am I going to use the microphone, let alone in situations where I need noise canceling? Rarely, if ever.

Is a slightly shorter battery life and low MP camera disappointing? Of course.
Is it worth denying myself an iPod yet another year in hopes apple with finally get it perfect? Not really

Everyone is different and if these issues bother you then I can see why you would hold off. Personally most of this stuff is trivial to me and the new Touch added almost everything I wanted. Enough for me to purchase one anyways.

mrklaw said:
I wouldn't. Seriously, even with the best sensor on the planet (which it won't be because its a tiny webcam type thing), you won't get anything remotely usable for photos at such a low resolution.
Define "remotely usable". I'm not looking to take high quality photos for prints. What I have in mind is more nice looking clean photos for stuff like Facebook. Like I said, as long as it's nice and clear and not cell-phone-camera grainy then I'm satisfied.

Assuming the sample footage on apples site isn't complete bull, I have a feeling it will be fine for what I want. Not the ideal 5MP I was hoping for, but not "garbage". Just waiting to see some actual shots.
 
AlexMogil said:
DING DING DING. They could then finally start retiring the classic.

Yep, I guess Apple decided on iPhone feature parity over storage. My beaten, battered iPod 5G (modded with an 80GB drive) will have to live until next September. My music is now past 85GB and I. Want. All of it. On one. Device.
 
I think the only way for the apple tv to get better is for people to buy it. When companies see that it's successful they'll be more likely to put their content on the device. I do like the idea of having a movie instantly though.
 
ChoklitReign said:
Is the Apple TV supposed to be a replacement for cable TV? They mentioned only ABC and Fox shows but it has to have others right?

Apple's had a hit-or-miss relationship with the studios over the years. You can still buy CBS/NBC/etc. shows and stream them from your computer, but if you want to stream directly to the AppleTV as a rental for $0.99, you can only choose from ABC/FOX right now.

Given that Amazon is selling stuff for $0.99 an episode including NBC/CBS, I expect they'll eventually come around.
 
RuneFactoryFanboy said:
oh ok, I see where you are coming from (except for Flash & GPS???)

I suppose it becomes an issue of complaining on principle or because things actually bother/disappoint me.

Is the screen not perfect at every angle like the iPhones disappointing? Of course.
Will I ever use my iPod at extreme viewing angles to notice the difference? No.

Is it possible the microphone lacks noise canceling, and would it be disappointing if true? Of course.
How often am I going to use the microphone, let alone in situations where I need noise canceling? Rarely, if ever.

Is a slightly shorter battery life and low MP camera disappointing? Of course.
Is it worth denying myself an iPod yet another year in hopes apple with finally get it perfect? Not really

Everyone is different and if these issues bother you then I can see why you would hold off. Personally most of this stuff is trivial to me and the new Touch added almost everything I

Oh no, I must not have explained myself properly. If you were waiting to buy a Touch then this is a great update; don't wait another year. I wouldn't advise anyone, like say Jasoco for instance, who I know definitely won't be getting a smartphone, to not get the iPod Touch. If you're looking at the iPod Touch's update history then there isn't much to be disappointed about.

However, I'm not "complaining on principle". I'm looking at the new iPod Touch in the context of the iPhone4 (and other smartphones). Apple likes to say that the iPod Touch is the iPhone without the phone but anyone who checked the fine print saw the iPod Touch was gimped in the other ways. The most obvious one was that it was the iPhone without the phone and camera. But one model of the iPod Touch didn't have a silent/ringer switch. Another didn't have bluetooth when the iPhone got it. The iPod Touch didn't have a speaker. Or a microphone for that matter. You get the picture?!

This was supposed to be the year when the iPod Touch finally caught up in all the important features so you could truly call it a iPhone without the phone (and with Facetime and backgrounded Skype even that final distinction was moot). But Apple failed to deliver imo so I'm still stuck on the smartphone bandwagon instead of carrying around a feature phone + iPod Touch + point-and-shoot camera plus cables/adapters/sd card/software to connect all three.
 
Stumpokapow said:
Apple's had a hit-or-miss relationship with the studios over the years. You can still buy CBS/NBC/etc. shows and stream them from your computer, but if you want to stream directly to the AppleTV as a rental for $0.99, you can only choose from ABC/FOX right now.

Given that Amazon is selling stuff for $0.99 an episode including NBC/CBS, I expect they'll eventually come around.
Amazon's 99c episodes are also limited to ABC and FOX.
 
Mr. Snrub said:
Torn between waiting for Apple TV, grabbing Roku now, or crossing my fingers for Google TV. God dammit.
I preordered Apple TV but I'm also considering Roku as well. The reason I like Apple TV is that it will work perfectly with all my other iDevices without issue.
 
Gary Whitta said:
What's dark grid view?

preferences -> general -> grid view: dark

the background is a charcoal instead of white

i like the way the album art looks on it better

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I really want that iPod touch, but part of me wants an ipad more. I guess ill have to wait and see what the new ipad will offer before I make a purchasing decision.
 
Well, i have decided that the iPad is the iOS device for me. But I'm still holding because its already out-specced by the iPhone and now the iTouch. Mostly the lack of Gyros. Is the new iPad still far away? A $99 iOS Apple Tv would have been a no brainier also. :(
 
Lonely1 said:
Well, i have decided that the iPad is the iOS device for me. But I'm still holding because its already out-specced by the iPhone and now the iTouch. Mostly the lack of Gyros. Is the new iPad still far away? A $99 iOS Apple Tv would have been a no brainier also. :(
if the device's previous announcement is considered, it'll probably be announced towards the end of January with release a few months later. i'm putting off a tablet purchase at least till Apple's (self-flagellating) keynote.
 
Gary Whitta said:
What's dark grid view?
Preferences>General. Then there's a little drop down box of that says grid view. It's just the grid view with a darker background, it does look pretty nice. I should do another album art overhaul.
 
Any Bets that Apple is going to make it very hard to hack the apple tv? If they get safari up and running on the apple tv be sweet little internet thing for my mom.
 
kaskade said:
Preferences>General. Then there's a little drop down box of that says grid view. It's just the grid view with a darker background, it does look pretty nice. I should do another album art overhaul.
It does look nice, but I couldn't survive in grid view.

Album List view + top column browser or nothing at all.
 
I'm one of the few people who prefers the white background for grid view. makes the whole iTunes app feel "lighter" and cleaner to me.

so after a day using Tunes 10 I really feel like they've made significant speed gains across nearly every part of the app. opening the app is way faster. switching between sources is faster. there's less beachballing when plugging in an iphone to sync. library search is faster.

I also don't mind the look of the monochrome source list. reminds me of the iPad app UI.

I'm still disappointed that there's no real functionality gains with cloud streaming, wifi syncing but at least this version didn't slow everything way down the way iTunes 7 and 8 did.
 
Technosteve said:
Any Bets that Apple is going to make it very hard to hack the apple tv? If they get safari up and running on the apple tv be sweet little internet thing for my mom.

I'm sure they are going to try and make it hard but that USB port on the back gives hackers options.

Apple hasn't even said what the USB port does. Can I hook up an iSight to it and do video conferencing on my TV? Is it an alternative for external storage?
 
DoctorWho said:
I'm sure they are going to try and make it hard but that USB port on the back gives hackers options.

Apple hasn't even said what the USB port does. Can I hook up an iSight to it and do video conferencing on my TV? Is it an alternative for external storage?

http://www.apple.com/appletv/specs.html

Ports and interfaces

* HDMI2
* Optical audio
* 10/100BASE-T Ethernet
* Built-in IR receiver
* Micro-USB (for service and support)
 
Opus Angelorum said:
Gizmodo are claiming the panel is IPS, strangely.

Actually quite a lot of sites/blogs are...
Well, Gizmondo wasn't at the event. The folks who got hands-on time with the device say it's not the same screen as on an iPhone 4...
 
giga said:
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Ta-da.
Using the small setting shows the art for albums with as low as three songs now. Good shit. Here's the Hoppipolla single which only has three tracks.

3ndbl
 
Charred Greyface said:
Oh no, I must not have explained myself properly. If you were waiting to buy a Touch then this is a great update; don't wait another year. I wouldn't advise anyone, like say Jasoco for instance, who I know definitely won't be getting a smartphone, to not get the iPod Touch. If you're looking at the iPod Touch's update history then there isn't much to be disappointed about.

However, I'm not "complaining on principle". I'm looking at the new iPod Touch in the context of the iPhone4 (and other smartphones). Apple likes to say that the iPod Touch is the iPhone without the phone but anyone who checked the fine print saw the iPod Touch was gimped in the other ways. The most obvious one was that it was the iPhone without the phone and camera. But one model of the iPod Touch didn't have a silent/ringer switch. Another didn't have bluetooth when the iPhone got it. The iPod Touch didn't have a speaker. Or a microphone for that matter. You get the picture?!

This was supposed to be the year when the iPod Touch finally caught up in all the important features so you could truly call it a iPhone without the phone (and with Facetime and backgrounded Skype even that final distinction was moot). But Apple failed to deliver imo so I'm still stuck on the smartphone bandwagon instead of carrying around a feature phone + iPod Touch + point-and-shoot camera plus cables/adapters/sd card/software to connect all three.
I seriously doubt it will ever "catch up," especially if you think of the economics of the situation. iPhones are $599 and up worldwide, to be discounted to $499 and up in a year. Apple sees this payment regardless of whether or not the consumer got a subsidy on the phone purchase. The iPod Touch starts at $229 and a ton will be given away free after 9 months as part of the Back to School sale.

Until prices are similar, like the smaller $129 gap between iPad and iPad 3G, they will always be cutting costs on the Touch to increase margins.
 
The more I think about it, the more disappointed I am with AppleTV. It's not really the rental pricing structure so much as it is a missed opportunity.

AppleTV is a "me-too" product. There are other boxes that do the same thing (if not more, or better) for the same price or less.

But Apple had an opportunity to just leapfrog ahead of everyone else by miles & create the ultimate set-top box, and they didn't do it.

AppleTV should have been an iOS device with apps. It could have had all of the media streaming apps available for iPhone & iPad. New streaming media apps, whether free, pay per view, subscription or some combination could have been added by third parties, with only Apple's approval process standing in their way. Content could have been limitless.

And of course, it would have instantly become a game console with a ridiculous number of titles, all available on day one.

The box could have been controlled by any iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, or even a Magic Trackpad.

Hell, even at $199 this would have been a killer device.

Oh sure, Apple may go this route in a year, but by that time Google TV will be out and once again it'll be a "me-too" product. And sure, even then it might very well be a huge success. But it could have been FIRST.

It's just such a missed opportunity. Very very disappointing.
 
GG-Duo said:
I really wish they would put the album text below the album text (when it's possible).
That saves me some horizontal pixels.

I hate the new positioning of the text, I have a fuck-ton of white space all over the lower part of the window now because of it.

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It's just so empty looking now.
 
edgefusion said:
I hate the new positioning of the text, I have a fuck-ton of white space all over the lower part of the window now because of it.

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It's just so empty looking now.
Guessing that they didn't put it below because it would require a higher number of tracks on an album to show the artwork.

Small: 3 tracks
Medium: 5 tracks
Large: 7 tracks

Putting the text below it would add 3 additional tracks minimum.
 
I hope everyone with an iDevice has downloaded Epic Citadel. the Epic castle demo.

it's so amazing, it's...it's just shockingly awesome. it's free in the appstore. go get it nao.
 
brianjones said:
once you go grid you never go back

i respond more to visual album art than text lists
I went grid for awhile. ran quickly back to list view when I realized how much longer it took me to find stuff without being able to quickly sort genre/artist/album.

pictures don't do it for me.
 
Dreams-Visions said:
I hope everyone with an iDevice has downloaded Epic Citadel. the Epic castle demo.

it's so amazing, it's...it's just shockingly awesome. it's free in the appstore. go get it nao.

It really is mindblowing that our iDevices are capable of this. Can't wait for that Rage game to hit later this year too.
 
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