Apple's Sept. 1st Event |OT| - Now with live streaming!

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grap3fruitman said:
Not mine. Would be great if I could get it Friday in time for my trip. Pull through Amazon, please!
My order shipped today with estimated delivery tomorrow (Amazon Prime). From Kansas to Southern California.
 
numble said:
My order shipped today with estimated delivery tomorrow (Amazon Prime). From Kansas to Southern California.
When did you place your order? I made the mistake of placing and order and then canceling it to reorder at the cheaper price. My original estimated shipping date was the 16th-24th but now it's the 22nd-29th. This blows. Even if it ships tomorrow the only way I'd get it would be if they couriered it overnight since it's delivering to my office. Fffff... =(
 
grap3fruitman said:
When did you place your order? I made the mistake of placing and order and then canceling it to reorder at the cheaper price. My original estimated shipping date was the 16th-24th but now it's the 22nd-29th. This blows. Even if it ships tomorrow the only way I'd get it would be if they couriered it overnight since it's delivering to my office. Fffff... =(
I ordered on the third (cancelled an Apple Store order), but my order is more than one so they might've done those first.
 
Hey apple tv fans - apple started charging credit cards for the apple tv - so it looks like it is going to ship within this week and will indeed be delivered before the end of the month <3
 
My order on Amazon has changed to shipping soon. Estimated delivery September 27th (Prime 1-day shipping). Was hoping to get it by the weekend, damn.
 
Charred Greyface said:
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Is there any particular reason why Apple couldn't put the camera in the center instead of at the corner (and thus fit a better sensor inside the iPod)?

Anyway, I played with one and gave up on the iPod Touch :/

or just have it thicker - my 2nd gen is plenty thin. Then not only would you have enough thickness for an acceptable stills camera (no, not mini SLR), but you could fill the space with more battery so it lasts even longer. Yes the battery is excellent for music, but heavy app usage still kills it quite quickly.
 
DoctorWho said:
My Apple TV just shipped this morning from China.

Dayawm. I ordered mine at like noon Pacific right after the event and mine's still "not yet shipped." What in the damn hell is that bullshit?

Looking forward to seeing what this thing can do, esp. with AirPlay.
 
SuperPac said:
Dayawm. I ordered mine at like noon Pacific right after the event and mine's still "not yet shipped." What in the damn hell is that bullshit?

Looking forward to seeing what this thing can do, esp. with AirPlay.


I'm looking forward to seeing how versatile Airplay really is, but that won't be coming around till November anyway so it's not like there's a rush.

till then, the new Apple TV is just like the old Apple TV except it can stream Netflix and can rent a few TV shows.
 
LCfiner said:
I'm looking forward to seeing how versatile Airplay really is, but that won't be coming around till November anyway so it's not like there's a rush.

till then, the new Apple TV is just like the old Apple TV except it can stream Netflix and can rent a few TV shows.


... and is smaller.

It's also black.

:D
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Don't forget, max power usage of 6 watts. This needs less juice than fluorescent light bulbs.


that's true. but, personally, I would feel like a hypocrite using that talking point while it's hooked up to my 50", marshmallow-toasting plasma set.
 
Flek said:
mine is going to ship soon, its prepared already :) Now iam waiting for it to get jailbroken please :)

I'm curious to see what I'll be able to do with a jailbroken device. The rumor is that it might have as much as 8gigs of storage for streaming purposes. No iPhone games are optimized for the device but if they get my PS3 controller working on it. The possibilites could be interesting. Especially if we can get an external hard drive working through that micro USB port.
 
DoctorWho said:
My Apple TV just shipped this morning from China.
Well that's great. I heard many orders were pushed back by three weeks.

Is a date for when it'll be available in Apple stores? If this is the 4th Apple product this year I'd have to wait in line to purchase...
 
Charred Greyface said:
Well that's great. I heard many orders were pushed back by three weeks.

Is a date for when it'll be available in Apple stores? If this is the 4th Apple product this year I'd have to wait in line to purchase...

Apparently, the rumors of a delay were false. No one is sure why people were having their expedited shipping charges refunded though. If they are shipping, you might want to check an Apple Store this Thursday or Friday. It doesn't have a specific release date so there is no "line up" that you should have to worry about. Still, the earlier the better.
 
Quick question. Looks like they bumped up my delivery to the 29th. Is there anyway to change the delivery location once the item has shipped?
 
Got my AppleTV shipping notice this morning! I cannot wait for this thing to show up. I was excited before, but since I loaded iOS4.2 on to my iPad I am even more excited. I'll have AirPlay support from day 1! Woot!

When I checked this morning it said the expected delivery date was Thursday Sept 30. Now it says there is an exception and the estimate delivery is Oct 5. :( I am hoping it is just a customs thing and it will be back on track shortly.

Is anybody else showing an exception?
 
DoctorWho said:
Quick question. Looks like they bumped up my delivery to the 29th. Is there anyway to change the delivery location once the item has shipped?

Don't think so but the tracking page for mine says that you can optionally have it held at a FedEx location for pickup. You can also pre-sign for it so you don't need to be there for the delivery guy. You can print that form from your Order Status page on Apple's website and just tape it to your front door the morning of the scheduled delivery.

I'm wondering how yours got bumped from the 30th to the 29th, but mine went from the 30th to the 5th. Are you on the west coast? That would explain it I think (I'm in Florida).
 
Dammit. My Apple TV went from delivered by Oct. 1 to delivered by Oct. 5. WTF is this shit? I guess I will have to warm myself with my original model Apple TV instead.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's not going to work until November when 4.2 with AirPlay comes out for every iOS device.
AirPlay already works. I can stream audio from a YouTube video to my AirPort Express and have it play on my speakers. AirPlay is already working on AppleTV. It's using AirPlay to stream video from Mac to AppleTV. The wait until November is for iPad and iPhone to stream to AppleTV. AppleTV supports AirPlay out of the box, so it should work with my iPad running iOS 4.2. I'll hopefully confirm later today, since my AppleTV is currently out for delivery :)

I'm basing this on this quote from AppleTV's website.

You can already stream music, photos, and video from your computer to Apple TV. With AirPlay, you can stream it all from your iPhone, iPad, and iPod touch, too.

Since AppleTV can already receive streaming content, it shouldn't need an update in November. Only iPad and iPhone will.
 
Anyone get there's yet? Mine is out for delivery but I'm not home to get it. Hoping that someone will be home to pick it up. Supposed to arrive before noon.
 
StrikerObi said:
AirPlay already works. I can stream audio from a YouTube video to my AirPort Express and have it play on my speakers. AirPlay is already working on AppleTV. It's using AirPlay to stream video from Mac to AppleTV. The wait until November is for iPad and iPhone to stream to AppleTV. AppleTV supports AirPlay out of the box, so it should work with my iPad running iOS 4.2. I'll hopefully confirm later today, since my AppleTV is currently out for delivery :)

I'm basing this on this quote from AppleTV's website.



Since AppleTV can already receive streaming content, it shouldn't need an update in November. Only iPad and iPhone will.
AppleTV is running 4.1, dude.

Mac to AppleTV streaming right now isn't AirPlay, it's the same old Mac to AppleTV streaming that's been around for 4 years. Note the wording in that quote you chose.
 
It's using the classic AirTunes functionality which iTunes and every Apple device always had. You can stream music and audio anywhere. That used to be a pretty killer feature for Apple TV to the niche that had it hooked up to a big audio system.
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
It's using the classic AirTunes functionality which iTunes and every Apple device always had. You can stream music and audio anywhere. That used to be a pretty killer feature for Apple TV to the niche that had it hooked up to a big audio system.
Yep, what a bummer. Engadget review confirms that even on their iPad running 4.2, only audio would stream to the AppleTV, not video. Bummer. I guess I'll be waiting for November anyway :(
 
[iLounge] Editorial: Five Reasons To Pass On Apple TV 2, For Now

Editor-in-chief of iLounge said:
Back in 2007, when Apple was hyping up the original Apple TV as a smart way to play iTunes content through televisions, we urged readers to be cautious in a series of editorials: our original take was “it’s nice, but,” followed by a more explicit “we don’t think Apple got it right this time”, and then a stronger suggestion: “hold off on this one.” Our recommendations came months before Apple started to downplay the device as a “hobby,” conceding that it hadn’t quite delivered the product people were looking for, and then lapsed into what became a pattern of modest software updates. As the second-generation Apple TV prepares to launch again this week, and Apple is once again trying to generate hype by giving units to friendly, less critical reviewers, we wanted to offer our honest thoughts on Apple’s latest endeavor into the living room—and why you might be best off saving your money for the time being. As in our prior articles, we provide counterpoints to each of these points for your consideration.

1. Apple’s Shipping An Incomplete Product (Again). Once upon a time, Apple used to chide Microsoft for releasing products that didn’t work fully on the day of release, requiring subsequent updates to perform as advertised. While Apple TV will arrive on day one with the necessary software to play content streamed from a computer or the Internet, its most intriguing feature—its ability to stream videos and photos directly from certain iOS devices—won’t be available until some point in November, when Apple releases iOS 4.2.

Counterpoint: Even though iOS 4.2 may wind up being a late November release—Apple typically releases things at the end of a promised month, not the beginning, or infrequently delays them—it’s not that far away. Until then, developer betas of iOS 4.2 may provide some insight into how well the feature works. Also, according to information Apple leaked to Fox News, the new Apple TV will temporarily offer iOS device music streaming using an updated version of its Remote application (version 2.0, released today), providing some relief for users, as well as a preview of AirPlay’s performance before iOS 4.2 comes out.

2. It’s Very Unclear How Well iOS Devices Will Stream Video to Apple TV 2. The new Apple TV relies upon “AirPlay,” an updated version of AirTunes, to stream videos and photo content from iTunes and certain iOS devices—some with 802.11n support, some without. Devices with older 802.11g hardware might or might not send smooth video to the Apple TV using AirPlay, and even iOS 802.11n devices differ enough in internal hardware that there may be some compatibility issues. iPads, for instance, work on 5 GHz 802.11n networks, while iPhones and iPod touches do not, so networking changes may be needed in some homes just to let the latter devices talk with the Apple TV, let alone send video to it.

Counterpoint: We won’t know for sure until iOS 4.2 is out, but we hope (and expect) that the feature will work well with all iOS hardware and networking environments. Apple would likely argue that buyers of most of its devices never expected to be able to stream video from them at all, so whatever they’re capable of is better than nothing.

3. Apple TV 2 Does Even Less Than The Version That Flopped—And Has Less Expansion Potential. Once in a while, Apple takes a product that’s doing pretty well and chops out a bunch of features, only to restore them in next year’s release. This happened in recent years with the iPod shuffle and iMovie, and like the just-released iPod nano, the second-generation Apple TV dropped some really big features this time. One obvious, huge omission is virtually all of the prior 160GB model’s storage capacity; the new Apple TV can’t store any content, which doesn’t just impact videos, music, and photos this time—it also limits the imagined potential of Apple TV 2 as an app and gaming device (discussed further below), while requiring users to keep computers or iOS devices turned on to provide access to their existing libraries of content. A more expensive version of Apple TV that adds back storage, albeit with iPod touch-like capacities, would be the most likely follow-up product.

There may be other, more subtle changes, as well. Will the new Apple TV be able to stream HD videos that were rented on a computer? This seems like it should be an obvious “yes,” but users of Apple’s iPad VGA Adapter have discovered that they can’t play back all the content they acquired from the iTunes Store, a problem Apple hid in Knowledgebase Articles and legalese disclaimers. Will iTunes Store content suffer similar restrictions in an AirPlay world?

Counterpoint: Unlike the iPod shuffle, iPod nano, and iMovie, which debuted at the same or higher prices than the better versions they replaced, the second-generation Apple TV sells for $99—less than half the cost of the prior model when it was discontinued. With some software tweaks, it may be able to rely on wireless networked storage other than a Mac or PC, such as a Time Capsule, which would be great. The addition of Netflix subscription streaming video also suggests that Apple may be moving in the direction of its many competitors, which offer multiple app-like options for accessing video and audio content from a variety of third-party sources, rather than forcing everything to be bought or rented through the iTunes Store.

4. The App Store’s Not Announced, Ready To Go, Or Likely In The Near Future. When the first Apple TV began to flag, Apple fans began to imagine all of the cool things the device could do with new accessories and software—some people even assumed that an ecosystem would develop around Apple TV because one had emerged for the iPod and iPhone. But Apple instead kept the Apple TV locked down, making only vague statements about its own free future software updates that would “surprise and delight” users. Since then, it has done little to pave the way for bigger developments on the new Apple TV; even if Apple wants to release an “App Store for Apple TV,” the current model will have little to no space for apps as we know them. Although adding an App Store would be a major step forward for the device, this doesn’t seem to be a priority for the company right now, and would require developer involvement that isn’t likely to start until Spring or Summer 2011, at the earliest. It might also require some changes to the device’s user interface.

Counterpoint: The Apple TV runs iOS 4.1, which means that developers will be able to rush applications out quickly in the event that Apple does announce an App Store. And there’s no doubt that developers would love to try.

5. Apple Still Views Apple TV As A “Hobby,” And So Does The Industry. The iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad have been huge hits for Apple over the past few years, and the company has devoted whatever resources were necessary to make sure that each product and its sequels were ready to launch on schedule every year. By contrast, Apple’s repeated description of Apple TV as “a hobby” isn’t just idle chatter—that’s code for “something that isn’t receiving Apple’s full attention and passion.” The software updates Apple has issued each year for Apple TV have been as much about fixing big interface problems as adding new features, and Apple has not enunciated any broad vision for growing the Apple TV as a platform. This year’s strategy is just “make it cheaper,” while competitors are offering comparable or better options at the same or lower prices. TV networks appear to be extremely reluctant to support the new Apple TV’s rental model, and some have been publicly negative about becoming involved.

Counterpoint:: Apple’s approach this time is “go cheap,” and cheap alone is enough to sell some products… particularly ones priced at $100 or less. Once iOS 4.2 is out and Apple TV becomes useful as a wireless display option for iOS devices, it may just take off as an iPod/iPhone/iPad accessory, selling enough units that networks and developers will want to jump on board to support it—or future versions with on-board storage. Only time will tell whether the “hobby” becomes a full-time business or fades away.


Readers, what do you think? Are you going to buy an Apple TV this week, or hold off until it evolves into something else? We look forward to seeing your comments below.

I'm still undecided :/
 
Engadget's rumors have now proved to be 100% correct. Apps will be exposed through airplay and it has 8 GB of storage. Obviously they got the iOS and form factor stuff correct as well.

I think this device is a home run and will be buying one as soon as I have the money.
 
Alright, I've got it hooked up and running. It was quick to hook up and start running but it took a little longer than I thought it would to start up home sharing. Everything appears to be working now.

Big issues though!! I have my iMac in the same room with this thing and my iMac is accepting input from the Apple Remote I got with my Apple TV. PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS!! When I hit the menu button, Front Row pops up and all sorts of weird shit. Any way to disable my iMac so it doesn't accept IR signals??

Driving me fucking nuts!

EDIT: NVM Found it!
 
DoctorWho said:
Alright, I've got it hooked up and running. It was quick to hook up and start running but it took a little longer than I thought it would to start up home sharing. Everything appears to be working now.

Big issues though!! I have my iMac in the same room with this thing and my iMac is accepting input from the Apple Remote I got with my Apple TV. PAIN IN THE FUCKING ASS!! When I hit the menu button, Front Row pops up and all sorts of weird shit. Any way to disable my iMac so it doesn't accept IR signals??

Driving me fucking nuts!
Pair the Apple Remote so only one Apple device is tied to it: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.4/en/mh2275.html
 
Liu Kang Baking A Pie said:
Pair the Apple Remote so only one Apple device is tied to it: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?path=Mac/10.4/en/mh2275.html

You found a different solution than me. But I'll look at this option as well. I just went under SysPref/Security and disabled the IR port. I never use it anyways. Thanks.

Edit: Hmm... I thought this thing was running 4.1. It's only on 4.0. At least mine is.

I wonder if that's for Canada. We don't have a TV section.
 
im so confused about engadgets review with networked drives. basically all i want is to have an external hdd hooked up to my mac mini via firewire and load it with video content.

will that setup be compatible with the new apple tv???
 
cabot said:
im so confused about engadgets review with networked drives. basically all i want is to have an external hdd hooked up to my mac mini via firewire and load it with video content.

will that setup be compatible with the new apple tv???
From what I understand, all the content needs to be in your iTunes library with Home Sharing enabled. As long as you import the stuff on the drive to your iTunes library it should be fine.
 
Hellsing321 said:
From what I understand, all the content needs to be in your iTunes library with Home Sharing enabled. As long as you import the stuff on the drive to your iTunes library it should be fine.

Thanks for the info, this is most excellent news.
 
cabot said:
Thanks for the info, this is most excellent news.
Make sure you turn off "copy media to iTunes folder when adding to the library" in iTunes preferences. Otherwise you'll just copy everything from the drive to the mac mini, which is probably not what you want.
 
Hellsing321 said:
Make sure you turn off "copy media to iTunes folder when adding to the library" in iTunes preferences. Otherwise you'll just copy everything from the drive to the mac mini, which is probably not what you want.

Alternatively, you could just make sure your iTunes Library folders is on the external drive (but then when you went on the road there would be nothing in it).
 
Charred Greyface said:
revDh.jpg

Is there any particular reason why Apple couldn't put the camera in the center instead of at the corner (and thus fit a better sensor inside the iPod)?
Well, the thing is thin enough as it is, they can't have two cameras in the same location. One has to be offset. Might as well be the one on the back.
 
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