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Applying for jobs is exhausting and soul-crushing

I've had a 45 minute phone interview last Wednesday with the hiring manager with a company that I started working at when I got out of college. I had reached out to the VP of the division and she forwarded my resume to the hiring manager. I never officially applied until after the phone interview when the hiring manager told me if I was interested in the job that I should officially apply online. We had a really good conversation on the position and my past experience at the company and where I am at now. I left there about 7.5 years ago to come to the company I am at now. I have gone through so much crap at the one I'm now, I am ready for a change. My commute can vary from 1 hr to 1hr 35 min + at times one way, which is also getting old after 7.5 years.

On Friday, I had a phone interview with the HR recruiter for about 15 min, it was a just to get to know me kind of interview. She talked salary with me just so we aren't wasting each others time. There is about an $8k difference on what I'm making and where the job is at for a base salary, but she told me with the right candidate they can make an exception. About 1.5 hrs later, I hear back from one of their other HR people for me to come in this Friday for an in-person interview for about 1.5 hrs. Things seem to be moving very quickly so far, quicker than many other interview processes I have been through over the last few years.

When I applied last week, they were already at the second round of interviews and they made an exception to get me in this late in the process.

I usually bring enough portfolios with to hand out and leave with everyone I interview with as I have in the past. Do you guys think that portfolios make much of a difference at interviews? I am trying my hardest to get through this with flying colors, I really need a job change. I also have a few letters of recommendation, would it be wise to add them to the portfolios?

Thanks guys, would love any thoughts or feedback.
 

Amentallica

Unconfirmed Member
I still have yet to break my no-interview streak. Luckily I've been working since I started applying in October, 2013, but I have yet to land a single interview despite several thousand applications since then. Not a single call. It's maddening.
 

brerwolfe

Member
I usually bring enough portfolios with to hand out and leave with everyone I interview with as I have in the past. Do you guys think that portfolios make much of a difference at interviews? I also have a few letters of recommendation, would it be wise to add them to the portfolios?
Can you imagine a scenario where this would be a bad idea? If not, then do it.
 

Goodlife

Member
Finally got some movement on my hunt.

Had an interview a couple of weeks ago. Heard nothing, other than the feedback from the recruiter a few days later (which was all positive) so had assumed they'd just offered it to someone else and would let me know at some point.
Yesterday, had a phonecall to say I was the only one left in the process, but the "big" boss wanted to meet with me, just to make sure all is ok, before anything else happens.
That's going to take place next week, so feeling pretty positive about that.

But in the meantime a chance of a contracting job has come up (hopefully interviewing for that next week). It's only a 6 month contract initially, but the money is eye watering....

Don't know what to do. The permanent job sounds great and it's a huge step up for me in terms of salary.
But the contracting role is more again. Basically if I work there for 6 months I'll be better off then doing this new job for a year.
 

Rosur

Member
Got an interview tomorrow for a new role and getting a bit nervous about it... Moving to a more mid level developer role and not being a junior developer anymore.
 
Finally got some movement on my hunt.

Had an interview a couple of weeks ago. Heard nothing, other than the feedback from the recruiter a few days later (which was all positive) so had assumed they'd just offered it to someone else and would let me know at some point.
Yesterday, had a phonecall to say I was the only one left in the process, but the "big" boss wanted to meet with me, just to make sure all is ok, before anything else happens.
That's going to take place next week, so feeling pretty positive about that.

But in the meantime a chance of a contracting job has come up (hopefully interviewing for that next week). It's only a 6 month contract initially, but the money is eye watering....

Don't know what to do. The permanent job sounds great and it's a huge step up for me in terms of salary.
But the contracting role is more again. Basically if I work there for 6 months I'll be better off then doing this new job for a year.

take the permanent. seriously. one is permanent, one isn't. yeah you get more money with that 6 months. what about after that? you can't just risk it and say, "well there will be work afterwards anyway!"
 
I went to an interview last week for an internship as a ui/ux designer. They didn't seem to need someone specifically for what i offer but one person mentioned they can give me some tasks to do. They emailed me the tasks a few days later. I asked them if i can include that on my resume and they said it was fine. I was just wondering if you guys think it is worth it to do these tasks which are unpaid for experience? I am pretty hungry to add experience since i know i need more and have been searching for jobs about 8-10 months now. If anyone is in any creative or design industry that would help. What do you guys think? Should i still do these tasks for i can add to my resume?
 
Is the job market improving like the numbers suggest?
You guys notice anything different?

I just helped a friend get hired at a company I work for, and the process took 4 months!!!!!
3 interviews. Be patient, and hang in there.
 

Replicant

Member
I went to an interview last week for an internship as a ui/ux designer. They didn't seem to need someone specifically for what i offer but one person mentioned they can give me some tasks to do. They emailed me the tasks a few days later. I asked them if i can include that on my resume and they said it was fine. I was just wondering if you guys think it is worth it to do these tasks which are unpaid for experience? I am pretty hungry to add experience since i know i need more and have been searching for jobs about 8-10 months now. If anyone is in any creative or design industry that would help. What do you guys think? Should i still do these tasks for i can add to my resume?

Absolutely. Especially if you know you can do the best job at it.

I did one for a job I wasn't sure of and I'm glad I did it because I got the job and it turns out to be an awesome job.

Even if you didn't get it, at least you have one extra portfolio for yourself.
 
You have to keep at it. I kept myself smart in college, worked my ass off and worked part-time nearby, some days I was at school + working from 9AM - 12PM. From there I did get a job but it was pretty bullshit and the pay was crap for what my skills were, I tried for over 2 years to get into the Financial space in NYC, looking everyday all over for a job, having my brother look, etc.

During that time I kept my wits about me, got my Master's in Networking Security and what do you know, a month after that landed my dream job for a big Financial Firm.

My advice to everyone would be to keep at it, keep yourself busy, LEARN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN about the field you're going into.
 
You have to keep at it. I kept myself smart in college, worked my ass off and worked part-time nearby, some days I was at school + working from 9AM - 12PM. From there I did get a job but it was pretty bullshit and the pay was crap for what my skills were, I tried for over 2 years to get into the Financial space in NYC, looking everyday all over for a job, having my brother look, etc.

During that time I kept my wits about me, got my Master's in Networking Security and what do you know, a month after that landed my dream job for a big Financial Firm.

My advice to everyone would be to keep at it, keep yourself busy, LEARN AS MUCH AS YOU CAN about the field you're going into.

what if you don't know what you want to do? it's not like most jobs are being taught in schools. most are menial, repetitive, and not creative/exciting.
 

Nelo Ice

Banned
Being trapped in a shit job you hate is just as soul-crushing
The costco job I got isn't bad but it feels soul crushing seeing seemingly everyone else I know having a hilarious amount of expendable income and able to eat out all the time, travel, etc. I know I shouldn't compare and maybe it's all show but it's kinda soul crushing when I feel like a failure and struggling where everyone else seems to be well off. Even if I don't know the full story, it still sucks when I'm using valuable time working for a low wage. I want to do better for myself but its a struggle trying to focus on learning how to program while juggling responsibilities and trying to enjoy life with the $$ I do have when I'm not working.
 

vypek

Member
this sucks, all my friends that I graduated with are making pretty good money but im working for about a quarter of what they make

they didnt have much experience at all either when we graduated

I'm in a somewhat similar situation except for the fact that I can't find a job at all. It sucks as a recent grad seeing so many people around you successfully getting work while you only get a few leads. I had a phone interview on Tuesday though and waiting for a potential call back since they said they would schedule within a week or so.

At this point, I'm definitely ready to take a crappy job almost anywhere. I'm actually getting ready to stem out and look in new areas because there seems to be a general lack of positions in my area anyways.
 

Coolluck

Member
Keep getting passed over at work. Guy who came 3 months after me getting the same job I was going over with less experience and a degree that was no more relevant is disheartening and the final straw. Looking for Accounting jobs again but it feels like a year wasted. I'm just starting to feel trapped in my current role though I like the company.
 

Slo

Member
Keep getting passed over at work. Guy who came 3 months after me getting the same job I was going over with less experience and a degree that was no more relevant is disheartening and the final straw. Looking for Accounting jobs again but it feels like a year wasted. I'm just starting to feel trapped in my current role though I like the company.

Maybe in the next one on one you have with your boss you could ask for constructive criticism. Don't come off confrontationally, like "how come Cletus got that promotion and not me?!?!". Don't frame it like you're mad about being passed over, but more like you're trying to get better. Say something like "My goal is to get X job in the next few years, and I notice that I'm not getting chosen for the jobs I apply for. Can we talk about how I need to improve to become a better candidate?"
 

Gnome

Member
I'm stuck unemployed with an Art degree.

I've been considering going back to school for an applied science. First by going to a community college for the fundamentals then hopping into a Post Bacc then Masters program somewhere, I'm struggling with the decision however, don't want to waste another 3 - 4 years a second time and go further into debt without a good job outlook.
 

WillyFive

Member
I'm stuck unemployed with an Art degree.

I've been considering going back to school for an applied science. First by going to a community college for the fundamentals then hopping into a Post Bacc then Masters program somewhere, I'm struggling with the decision however, don't want to waste another 3 - 4 years a second time and go further into debt without a good job outlook.

What do you mean by Art degree? What did you study?
 
Specifically it's a degree in Digital Art, I mainly focused on doing 3D.

Is there not any visual merchandiser jobs in your area? There's quite a few jobs around TX that need designers to produce renderings in 2D and 3D, for instance I was browsing around Indeed and found this job working for Fossil that looks like it might be up your alley. I'm just using it as an example.

https://sjobs.brassring.com/TGWEbHost/jobdetails.aspx?jobId=499822&partnerid=25613&siteid=5179&codes=IND
 

Coda

Member
Just had to quit my cafe/cooking job as I wasn't getting any hours. Definitely not going back to working in a kitchen, it's way too stressful and sweaty. Trying to find other work has been difficult though. I'm one of those jack of all trades, master of none kind of person so it's been pretty tough to convince an employer that I can do a particular job well. Anyone else find themselves in a similar position?
 
Got a phone interview on Monday with a biotech lab. It was the last day for the listing to be active on my school's job portal so I didn't think too much of it, but I got an e-mail from the CSO/VP less than 2 hours after I applied for it. Super nervous and excited.
 

LaNaranja

Member
Had an interview which I nailed last week with the founder of the company, the manager, and two members on the board of directors. I finally heard back from them today.
"We decided to go with someone else." :(

Anyway, how long do you guys take applying to each position? I found that it takes me about three hours to edit my resume and write a cover letter.
 

Mogwai

Member
I'm starting to feel exhausted and soul-crushed...

Been applying for jobs for over 6 months now. I was among a lot of people that was laid-off at the end of last year as my company (engineering) didn't get new projects. I was hired there as newly graduated and managed to get 1 year worth of experience. I imagined it would be easier to land a new job as I had some experience now. But after 10 interviews at various well-respected companies I'm still at square one. It's always "Hello. We're sorry to inform you that we've chosen another candidate... you did a great impression... someone with more experience... etc.". I landed my first job after 3.5 months which was fine. Now it seems like a damn impossible task, even though I got bit of experience.

Despite being laid-off I was quite optimistic about finding a new job within some months. Buuut as it looks now it's getting harder and harder to stay motivated.

Any good tips on how to keep up the spirit and motivation?
 
I'm starting to feel exhausted and soul-crushed...

Been applying for jobs for over 6 months now. I was among a lot of people that was laid-off at the end of last year as my company (engineering) didn't get new projects. I was hired there as newly graduated and managed to get 1 year worth of experience. I imagined it would be easier to land a new job as I had some experience now. But after 10 interviews at various well-respected companies I'm still at square one. It's always "Hello. We're sorry to inform you that we've chosen another candidate... you did a great impression... someone with more experience... etc.". I landed my first job after 3.5 months which was fine. Now it seems like a damn impossible task, even though I got bit of experience.

Despite being laid-off I was quite optimistic about finding a new job within some months. Buuut as it looks now it's getting harder and harder to stay motivated.

Any good tips on how to keep up the spirit and motivation?

The longer your out of the game the harder it is to get good positions, that's just the way it works.

IMO, things are actually easier fresh out of school, once your out of that past your first grad school job things get questionable.

I would say maybe go for something you're over qualified for? Hell I worked for a guy in Frito Lay who ran a route who had a degree in architecture and a good job designing floor plans for apartment layouts. Once he got laid off he couldn't find anything and was working overnight at Kohl's and crap for a while and had to sell everything.

It's not uncommon to go through what you are going through man.

edit: meant over qualified :p
 

numble

Member
Anyway, how long do you guys take applying to each position? I found that it takes me about three hours to edit my resume and write a cover letter.

It really should not take 3 hours. That's like saying you only have the time to send out 2 job applications per day. Maybe you have a couple of resumes and then a couple of standard cover letters where you change some words around.
 

Goodlife

Member
take the permanent. seriously. one is permanent, one isn't. yeah you get more money with that 6 months. what about after that? you can't just risk it and say, "well there will be work afterwards anyway!"

Yeah, decided to go down this route. If I don't get the permie job then I can always look into going contracting in another role, there are a few about.


Got my "final" interview Thursday now. Need to do a 15 minute presentation, which is pretty much fine I think. I'm the only one they have called back, so down to the final one.
Also been asked to bring along documentation (passport) as "Before any new employee takes up a position within xxxxxx, certain checks need to be made to ensure that you are eligible to be employed in the UK in the position that you have been offered"

So I'm thinking/hoping as long as I don't screw up this presentation, the job will be offered to me.

However.... the chance of voluntary redundancy has come up again for me. I've applied for it, but won't hear until the 26th. If I get approved for it, by last day would be 31st July. That's obviously a fair bit past my "4 week notice period".

Not sure how to play it. If I'm offered this job, should I say, yes, but I can't start until 1st August because I might get redundancy? Should I say yes and just hand in my notice to my current job and start within 4 week?

Am tempted to say yes, but I've got a holiday booked the last 3 weeks of July, so won't be able to start until August.... but I want this job so if that is going to cause an issue I can look to cancel the holiday.

End of the day, as nice as this redundancy money would be (about a years wage!) I don't want to risk not getting this job, especially as I'm not guaranteed to get granted redundancy.
 

LaNaranja

Member
Sorry to hear that. What kind of position was it?

Assistant Program Manager.


It really should not take 3 hours. That's like saying you only have the time to send out 2 job applications per day. Maybe you have a couple of resumes and then a couple of standard cover letters where you change some words around.

Probably not but I like to personalize my cover letter as much as possible as I research about the company and the position. Also, yeah, I'm at about 2-3 per day.
 

Slo

Member
Well, got a temporal job. Need to test some software for a few months.

First professional experience. Let's see how this goes.

Awesome. Make sure to get your face out there and don't just hide in your cube/dungeon. the networking opportunity is just as important as the professional experience.
 

Linkark07

Banned
Awesome. Make sure to get your face out there and don't just hide in your cube/dungeon. the networking opportunity is just as important as the professional experience.

Thanks for the tip. Gonna need to start using everything I know tomorrow.
 

entremet

Member
Jobs report in the US is looking good.

Stay persistent fellas and ladies.

I'm starting to feel exhausted and soul-crushed...

Been applying for jobs for over 6 months now. I was among a lot of people that was laid-off at the end of last year as my company (engineering) didn't get new projects. I was hired there as newly graduated and managed to get 1 year worth of experience. I imagined it would be easier to land a new job as I had some experience now. But after 10 interviews at various well-respected companies I'm still at square one. It's always "Hello. We're sorry to inform you that we've chosen another candidate... you did a great impression... someone with more experience... etc.". I landed my first job after 3.5 months which was fine. Now it seems like a damn impossible task, even though I got bit of experience.

Despite being laid-off I was quite optimistic about finding a new job within some months. Buuut as it looks now it's getting harder and harder to stay motivated.

Any good tips on how to keep up the spirit and motivation?

Here's what helped me. A lot of this is winning in the game life stuff. Sounds corny, but its effective.

Physical--get exercise--it boosts feel good chemicals and helps you with your confidence, get enough sleep, eat well.
Emotional--spend time with people you love-family, friends, bf/gf/wife/husband if you have one. Cut off people who drain you.
Mental--Read. Read about your field. Read stuff on communication skills, sales, negotiation, persuasion, novels, whatever you like. Keep your brain engaged.
Spiritual--This doesn't have to be religion and doesn't need to you believe in anything, but think of things to be grateful daily. Write it down. You want to work on your optimism muscle.

Do these daily if you can. It starts to compound on itself. Don't be afraid to hire pros as well--career counselors, resume writers, etc.
 

Earendil

Member
I'm having a blast at my current job. And by 'blast', I mean soul sucking hell. When I accepted the job, I was told that if I needed to work from home, it wasn't a problem. Then after I start, they tell me "oh no, you can only work from home with special permission." So I work it out that I can be at home on Mondays, and then also every 11th and 12th business days when we have all day long client meetings. After having done this for several months, yesterday they tell me they never agreed to that, and I have to be in the office all the time.

None of this would be an issue, if the office wasn't a playground. At any given time, there are people yelling, shooting Nerf darts at each other or various other loud distractions. I like to have fun as much as the next guy, but when I'm head down on a project and I'm getting hit in the face with Nerf darts, it's not a good place for me to work. I've brought this up to management numerous times, and I've basically been told to shut up and deal with it. They care more about their culture than they do about productivity.
 

entremet

Member
I'm having a blast at my current job. And by 'blast', I mean soul sucking hell. When I accepted the job, I was told that if I needed to work from home, it wasn't a problem. Then after I start, they tell me "oh no, you can only work from home with special permission." So I work it out that I can be at home on Mondays, and then also every 11th and 12th business days when we have all day long client meetings. After having done this for several months, yesterday they tell me they never agreed to that, and I have to be in the office all the time.

None of this would be an issue, if the office wasn't a playground. At any given time, there are people yelling, shooting Nerf darts at each other or various other loud distractions. I like to have fun as much as the next guy, but when I'm head down on a project and I'm getting hit in the face with Nerf darts, it's not a good place for me to work. I've brought this up to management numerous times, and I've basically been told to shut up and deal with it. They care more about their culture than they do about productivity.

Start looking for new jobs.

Remember fit isn't just one sided. It's for you as well.
 

Red Comet

Member
Hmm, I had a phone interview scheduled for 1 PM today, but they never called. That ever happen to any of you? I only have the number of the recruiter who called me, so I guess I should give here a call tomorrow and see whats up.

On a more positive note though, I had another phone interview today that is resulting in an in-person interview on Friday. Got another phone interview tomorrow as well.
 
Be careful of trade jobs, one thing people don't tell you is about is the chronic injuries. Just watch the experienced persons. Young folk will go in guns blazing and wind up with all sorts of chronic issues. Make use of your tools no matter what your boss says.
 

BobLoblaw

Banned
I'm having a blast at my current job. And by 'blast', I mean soul sucking hell. When I accepted the job, I was told that if I needed to work from home, it wasn't a problem. Then after I start, they tell me "oh no, you can only work from home with special permission." So I work it out that I can be at home on Mondays, and then also every 11th and 12th business days when we have all day long client meetings. After having done this for several months, yesterday they tell me they never agreed to that, and I have to be in the office all the time.

None of this would be an issue, if the office wasn't a playground. At any given time, there are people yelling, shooting Nerf darts at each other or various other loud distractions. I like to have fun as much as the next guy, but when I'm head down on a project and I'm getting hit in the face with Nerf darts, it's not a good place for me to work. I've brought this up to management numerous times, and I've basically been told to shut up and deal with it. They care more about their culture than they do about productivity.
Just pointing this out so that other people can learn something. ALWAYS gets stuff like this documented in an email or on paper. If you ask someone for something and they say sure, either send them an email "thanking" them for the agreement or see if you can get them to send one confirming it. People being liars in the workplace is definitely a thing.
 

Slo

Member
Be careful of trade jobs, one thing people don't tell you is about is the chronic injuries. Just watch the experienced persons. Young folk will go in guns blazing and wind up with all sorts of chronic issues. Make use of your tools no matter what your boss says.

As someone who comes from a long line of hammer swingers, I'll agree that your body will be used up by the time your in your 50s. That said, absolutely don't avoid trades jobs. A union construction job will pay you over $30/hour, plus benefits, maybe even a full pension. My dad just retired at 56 with 35 years in, gets paid the same to not work as he did to show up everyday and bust his ass. It's a good living. Beats the fucks out of spreading guacamole for $9/hour.
 
So far this summer, I only applied for one job and got an interview for the place. Just went to the interview yesterday and it went really well and got a job offer a few hours later.

A student summer job for $14 an hour, 40 hours a week . I feel better now, since now I'll finally have some paid-work experience instead of my volunteer experience before I graduate college in the next couple years.
 

Oscar

Member
My gf has Texan parents who briliantly named her "Jimi". A few months ago she was bummed out about not being able to find a better job. I told her, try swapping "Jimi" with your middle name (Kaci) on her résumé. She did that and was flooded with email responses and calls the following day.

2 month job hunting stint ended with a sample change.
 

Pancakes

hot, steaming, as melted butter slips into the cracks, drizzled with sticky sweet syrup OH GOD
Current job has gotten pretty monotonous and I basically don't do anything anymore. Talked a bit to a buddy of mine and he recommended I jump ship over to his employer with his referral. So here's hoping this works out.

My gf has Texan parents who briliantly named her "Jimi". A few months ago she was bummed out about not being able to find a better job. I told her, try swapping "Jimi" with your middle name (Kaci) on her résumé. She did that and was flooded with email responses and calls the following day.

2 month job hunting stint ended with a sample change.

IIRC there was a study about how employers avoid foreign sounding names. It's pretty crazy how something like that can affect you.
 

Earendil

Member
Start looking for new jobs.

Remember fit isn't just one sided. It's for you as well.

I have been for a few weeks. If I wanted to commute an hour and a half to Denver every day, I'd already have one. But since we are moving to Fort Myers within the next year, I've been trying to find something remote. That has greatly limited my options.

Just pointing this out so that other people can learn something. ALWAYS gets stuff like this documented in an email or on paper. If you ask someone for something and they say sure, either send them an email "thanking" them for the agreement or see if you can get them to send one confirming it. People being liars in the workplace is definitely a thing.

One of my biggest flaws is that I am too trusting. But that has ended with this job. I'm having a "meeting/scolding" tomorrow with HR, and I will definitely get any agreements we come to, down in writing. Thanks for the advice.
 

Goodlife

Member
Yeah, decided to go down this route. If I don't get the permie job then I can always look into going contracting in another role, there are a few about.


Got my "final" interview Thursday now. Need to do a 15 minute presentation, which is pretty much fine I think. I'm the only one they have called back, so down to the final one.
Also been asked to bring along documentation (passport) as "Before any new employee takes up a position within xxxxxx, certain checks need to be made to ensure that you are eligible to be employed in the UK in the position that you have been offered"

So I'm thinking/hoping as long as I don't screw up this presentation, the job will be offered to me.

However.... the chance of voluntary redundancy has come up again for me. I've applied for it, but won't hear until the 26th. If I get approved for it, by last day would be 31st July. That's obviously a fair bit past my "4 week notice period".

Not sure how to play it. If I'm offered this job, should I say, yes, but I can't start until 1st August because I might get redundancy? Should I say yes and just hand in my notice to my current job and start within 4 week?

Am tempted to say yes, but I've got a holiday booked the last 3 weeks of July, so won't be able to start until August.... but I want this job so if that is going to cause an issue I can look to cancel the holiday.

End of the day, as nice as this redundancy money would be (about a years wage!) I don't want to risk not getting this job, especially as I'm not guaranteed to get granted redundancy.

Any ideas anyone?

Interview today, still don't know how to play it!
 
Current job has gotten pretty monotonous and I basically don't do anything anymore. Talked a bit to a buddy of mine and he recommended I jump ship over to his employer with his referral. So here's hoping this works out.



IIRC there was a study about how employers avoid foreign sounding names. It's pretty crazy how something like that can affect you.

man that is the one thing im really scared of employers doing to me. Going into my junior year in college and Ill be looking for internships for next summer through job fairs and just sending in applications. I hope my name isn't going to affect this but I feel like it will.
 
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