brain_stew
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I've just done mania travelling from the UK and it's one of the best experiences I've ever had. You won't regret it.
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I've just done mania travelling from the UK and it's one of the best experiences I've ever had. You won't regret it.
The Frankman
Banned
So Kofi Kingston has been relegated to Saturday Morning Slam?
Arrowgigantic
Member
Lambda Pie
Banned
< screaming Lesnar is broken, gonna be 99 overall in WWE14.
The Frankman
Banned
brb gotta make a phone call.
Keyser Soze
Member
Both Rangers and Wolves played Fandango at half time.
Good day!
Good day!
No this is our thing, you can't have it.
BIONIC-ARRRMMM!!
Member
Well, Fandango had a good run. I'm ready for them to fuck it up next Monday.
Reminded of Smackdown
JBL was amazing during Ziggler's entrance and him wearing the title on his arse
JBL isn't a shill for heels or faces, he has his favorites and he calls it like that. If he sees something he doesn't like (no matter their allegiance), he is quick to point it out
Something I use to love about Heenan and Jesse..
JBL was amazing during Ziggler's entrance and him wearing the title on his arse
JBL isn't a shill for heels or faces, he has his favorites and he calls it like that. If he sees something he doesn't like (no matter their allegiance), he is quick to point it out
Something I use to love about Heenan and Jesse..
Daniel who? You mean goatface?
All right, I think Dolph has finally gone too far with the selling.
"My only regret is that I have... Boneitis."
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
Good, good. Embrace the fan art. You can join my Fanartists stable.
Was waiting for this gif. Couldn't believe my eyes when I saw it live.
funkystudent
Member
God the smackdown crowd edits make it nearly unwatchable.
Ziggler is good on the mic though. Dude is the total package. Its going to suck to see his career set back 3 years once Triple H decides he needs to feud with him and put him in his place.
Ziggler is good on the mic though. Dude is the total package. Its going to suck to see his career set back 3 years once Triple H decides he needs to feud with him and put him in his place.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
unmatchable indeed
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
Put that cheerleader uniform back on and get ready to eat some pedigrees
Unwatchable? Yeah. I can't stand Smackdown with that piped in crowd. It's a shame because it's not a bad show otherwise.
Lambda Pie
Banned
damn, ice cold...
British Monsoon
Member
Watching Botchamania 299, that Rollins "botch" on the suicide dive is entirely Orton's fault. Watch any match with any remotely high-flying dude on any indie promotion and you'll see a better catch than Orton provided. He's meant to be slammed backwards into the barrier by the force, because his body is the crash mat that prevents Rollins head from hitting the barrier, instead he just rolls to one side and Rollins crashes & burns. I'm reminded of the time Orton completely fucked up his positioning when taking a 450 from Gabriel, which resulted in Gabriel being told to do a shitter/safer version of the move.
By trying to liven it up, it always makes the show feel more dead than if it was just people sitting on their hands for 2 hours. It just brings more attention to the dead crowd. That and that nothing of importance ever happens is why people don't watch Smackdown.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
It's been a few months since I've watched a smackdown, and I only had to watch it becuase I was there live, but I remember SmackDown having better wrestling but less story. Maybe I was just trying to justify watching SmackDown.
funkystudent
Member
Blahhhh.
Still I guess the pipped in crowd is probably justified by WWE because SD tapings can have pretty shitty turn outs these days. It might sound completely dead a lot of the time without it but it just sounds fake as hell compared to a actual crowd reaction.
Doesnt help they use the same reaction sound clips over and over.
Lambda Pie
Banned
last time i watched SmackDown, Eddie was still alive.
British Monsoon
Member
He's a heel, plus, he's not the biggest dude - Ziggler's title run was always going to be about him escaping situations by the skin of his teeth, much like Bryan's was, or via cheating to win with the help of Big E & AJ.
I really would like to see more heel champions booked to be a dangerous threat - even Punk seemed to waver back and forth between being shown as competent and deadly to being shown as a coward.
I really would like to see more heel champions booked to be a dangerous threat - even Punk seemed to waver back and forth between being shown as competent and deadly to being shown as a coward.
-Pyromaniac-
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as far as I remember there was a time where jeff hardy who is a small dude was having clean wins left and right, even over fucking triple H.
It's a good way to make a guy look credible. Not everyone has to be a weasel or a super soldier. Why not make Ziggler look like the athletic super crafty champion who finds ways to win matches CLEAN, at least sometimes I mean. Obviously they'll continue to use the AJ/Langston thing for heel tactics.
Lambda Pie
Banned
seriously. we need to send some WCW-era Vader to show them how to book a heel champion.
British Monsoon
Member
Uh...so which one of you guys is this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC6gDuIB_cE#t=20s
Yeah, but Jeff, like Rey, was a face champion - completely different situation. WWE love their super human faces and that goes doubly so for a small guy overcoming the odds! But if it's a heel? They're either a coward who cheats or has amazing luck, or they're an unstoppable monster.
I couldn't agree more. The dude's "The Show-Off", he should be made to look competent and dangerous in the ring. Why? Because he's the fucking champion, that's why! WWE's booking can be SO ASS BACKWARDS, it's infuriating.
Hell, '96 Vader wasn't far off his prime and look what they did to him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC6gDuIB_cE#t=20s
Yeah, but Jeff, like Rey, was a face champion - completely different situation. WWE love their super human faces and that goes doubly so for a small guy overcoming the odds! But if it's a heel? They're either a coward who cheats or has amazing luck, or they're an unstoppable monster.
-Pyromaniac- said:
I couldn't agree more. The dude's "The Show-Off", he should be made to look competent and dangerous in the ring. Why? Because he's the fucking champion, that's why! WWE's booking can be SO ASS BACKWARDS, it's infuriating.
Lambda Piscium said:
Hell, '96 Vader wasn't far off his prime and look what they did to him.
Lambda Pie
Banned
1996, such an odd time. him, Sid and Austin were proto-attitude era guys stuck with dumb cartoonish gimmicks around them.
96 Vader was far enough from his prime that I'm okay with him not having had a dominant run like he did in WCW. He put on a TON of weight between 1994 and 1996 and it really hampered him. As good as HBK vs Vader was, imagine how good it could have been with 96 HBK and 1993 Vader.
That's not true at all. Austin kind of did with The Ringmaster, which was really just "HEY THIS GUY IS A SUPER AWESOME WRESTLER, HE'S THE MASTER OF THE RING", not some circus gimmick and it only lasted about 2-3 months before going into Stone Cold. Vader's second appearance had him beating up Gorilla Monsoon and a bunch of refs. He never had a cartoon gimmick. And Sid had the same gimmick he always had, which was SID.
EDIT: Never mind, I totally read that wrong.
That's not true at all. Austin kind of did with The Ringmaster, which was really just "HEY THIS GUY IS A SUPER AWESOME WRESTLER, HE'S THE MASTER OF THE RING", not some circus gimmick and it only lasted about 2-3 months before going into Stone Cold. Vader's second appearance had him beating up Gorilla Monsoon and a bunch of refs. He never had a cartoon gimmick. And Sid had the same gimmick he always had, which was SID.
EDIT: Never mind, I totally read that wrong.
Him and Owen and Davey beat the crap out of Warrior.
That's the greatest accomplishment any wrestler can have.
Lambda Pie
Banned
Goldust was also around, another proto-Attitude gimmick that would get refined. i really didn't watch the product at the time, gotta be more out of place guys during that year.
Dave Meltzer
Banned
I'm already sick of Ziggler. Hope he jobs at Extreme Rules.
UberTag
Member
I think the last heel champion they booked as crafty and not cowardly in a compelling way was Edge. Although to be fair they got away with not booking him as a coward because they never kept the title on him all that long.
Everyone else, though (ignoring Mark Henry for obvious reasons)... namely CM Punk, Christian, Daniel Bryan, Del Rio... they've gone with the chickenshit heel approach. Which is just disgusting.
Although I might actually consider that approach a step-up for their heel mid-card champions whom they just book to lose non-title contests all the time and look weak.
No, they know. Vince is FAR more interested in giving a "Fuck you" right back to his enemies (the Internet) than he is in making stars or money. Half of wrestling since the death of WCW has been exactly that.
I think that's how all champions should be booked
Always the problem with Cena. You never feel he is in trouble because he can literally power through everyone on the roster as he has shown.
Compared to someone like Punk last year, face and heel, and on any night you thought Jericho or Bryan or Kane or Show could have bested him and won the title.
An element to that of course would be losing the title.. like Austin's 1st and 2nd reign
As I recall though it took the combined efforts or Taker and Kane to strip the title off Austin in both of those runs.
Till then he powered through everyone.
Nocturnowl
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While Bryan was booked as a pretty fluky heel that would win by the skin of his teeth until getting his "comeuppance" in 18 seconds i'd say they actually did this rather well, Bryan was less cowardly and more wily, he used his smarts to out match Show and Henry who are booked to intimidate anyway and even later on in the CM Punk feud he'd do things like set Kane off on Punk with some tactical chair use.
The rest I agree with, funny that while Bryan was booked the weakest out of this lot in an underrated sort of way but he at least came across without the super levels of chicken shit that say Christian and ADR reached, probably because he didn't have to deal with any of the Golden Boys (Cena, Orton) in his feuds.
Edge started out strong as a cunning heel, then he went to Smackdown and became the chickenshit supreme with monthly ULTIMATE OPPORTUNIST moments that lacked much punch like sitting outside the ring in a battle royale, let's not so quickly forget the la Familia angle where even with a faction and authority figure Edge spent most of his time fleeing from Taker and Batista, I hated that angle, I really did, this may be blinding me to his actual cowardice levels.
jobber
Would let Tony Parker sleep with his wife
Smackdown was fun in the first segment...well only the part when Swagger came out. Swagger and ZIG ZAG were tag partners. Swagger's downfall into leaving was losing the services of Vickie to ZIG ZAG.
Then it was Swagger going to attack ZIG ZAG, stopped to see Big E standing there, paused, then walk away.
I'm a sucker for heel vs. heel dynamic.
Speaking of which...what happened to Vickie trying to screw over ZIG ZAG.
That whole storyline was dropped at the Rumble and with Vickie being in charge of Raw, she should've made him defend the title later that night.
Then it was Swagger going to attack ZIG ZAG, stopped to see Big E standing there, paused, then walk away.
I'm a sucker for heel vs. heel dynamic.
Speaking of which...what happened to Vickie trying to screw over ZIG ZAG.
That whole storyline was dropped at the Rumble and with Vickie being in charge of Raw, she should've made him defend the title later that night.