ECW was always not the greatest on storytelling. The only really memorable thing to happen was Mick Foley's heel turn.
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ECW was always not the greatest on storytelling. The only really memorable thing to happen was Mick Foley's heel turn.
No way. 1994-1997 had great, interesting, and cutting edge story lines. This stuff is wrestling 101 with a bunch of tables. The only guys that have a real, defined storyline are Dreamer vs Raven and Dreamer/Raven vs Impact Players. The story telling was really the defining characteristic of ECW during the "glory years". The way that seemingly every feud was connected all up and down the card and would bleed into each other while doing more than just "good guy is mad at bad guy, x wants x's title" was a massive departure from what was going on in the big two at the time.
This era suffered from WWF and WCW stealing their style and doing it with a lot more money and talent. So it has this weird rip off of Russoish stuff vibe when it's really the other way around. It's like ECW was ripping off WWF/WCW ripping off ECW. That's kind of what these shows are feeling like.
This era suffered from WWF and WCW stealing their style and doing it with a lot more money and talent. So it has this weird rip off of Russoish stuff vibe when it's really the other way around. It's like ECW was ripping off WWF/WCW ripping off ECW. That's kind of what these shows are feeling like.
Mr. Enigma
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Yep, ECW in 1995-1997 was Taz vs. Sabu and EVERYTHING else was some kind of byproduct of Raven vs. Tommy Dreamer. Everyone had their own feuds with their own issues, but on the outside it still came down to their allegiance to either Raven or Dreamer. Taz and Sabu were the only two guys who had no stake in that feud.
Looks like my memories are betraying me, though to be fair I watched almost no wrestling back then, only hung out with people who did. I basically stopped cold turkey sometime in 1992 and picked it up the night after Wrestlemania XV I think, the one in Boston where Austin became Champ. What a fantastic RAW that was and Nitro wasn't bad either.
You missed out on a lot of great (and a LOT of awful) stuff from all 3 US companies. You missed Dustin Rhodes vs The Studd Stable in WCW, all of peak ECW, pre-injury Stone Cold, the US vs Canada angle, peak-post Hogan WCW in the height of the nWo and best mid card in the world.
But you also missed out on horrendous gimmicks like most non-Sting/Dustin/Blondes related stuff in WCW from 1993-1996, almost everything in WWF 1995, and a lot of ECW stuff that was mixed in with the great things they had going. I mean if you missed most everything from 1992-1998, you missed most of the best wrestling in the US in the 90s. I don't even know how you could catch someone up on something like that.
But you also missed out on horrendous gimmicks like most non-Sting/Dustin/Blondes related stuff in WCW from 1993-1996, almost everything in WWF 1995, and a lot of ECW stuff that was mixed in with the great things they had going. I mean if you missed most everything from 1992-1998, you missed most of the best wrestling in the US in the 90s. I don't even know how you could catch someone up on something like that.
Owen Hart vs Diesel for the WWF Championship
ACTION ZONE. Who remembers that?
This was right after Bret and Diesel had an amazing match, which Bret says is still his favorite match.
ACTION ZONE. Who remembers that?
This was right after Bret and Diesel had an amazing match, which Bret says is still his favorite match.
I had an Action Zone tape from probably 1996 that had a number of good matches on it. I wish they still did stuff like they did up until 1997ish and would tape matches that wouldn't go on main shows and release them on comps. Some of the best matches from 1992-1996 were on Colosseum Home Video releases and not on TV or PPV. Like all the best Macho stuff from 1992 until he left, a ton of awesome Bret and Shawn stuff, things like Bret/Owen vs The Steiners, and so on.
So if anyone likes Chikara, and want more of the silly stuff. There is always Osaka Pro Wrestling. If you want serious wrestling that accepts and then laughs when they screw up, there is always Osaka Pro Wrestling.
Kuishinbo Kamen vs Kyusei Ninja Ranmaru
http://youtu.be/b2qwWeBnObc
Tag Festival Final 2010
http://youtu.be/Xc-2LK1h2MM
I posted both in the other thread, but I guess it does make more sense to do it here.
That generally has me interested. I've seen way too many shows where someone tries for a flip and it just ends up horrible for them with nearly the exact same situation. Kudos to AR Fox for being able to handle it.
Kuishinbo Kamen vs Kyusei Ninja Ranmaru
http://youtu.be/b2qwWeBnObc
Tag Festival Final 2010
http://youtu.be/Xc-2LK1h2MM
I posted both in the other thread, but I guess it does make more sense to do it here.
Watching AR Fox vs Tim Donst from the Wrestling is Respect show, real fun event, well worth the $4.99.
AR Fox hits a 450 with limited headroom;
That generally has me interested. I've seen way too many shows where someone tries for a flip and it just ends up horrible for them with nearly the exact same situation. Kudos to AR Fox for being able to handle it.
A lot of poorly taped seasons on the intertrons, dvd ppv's for the major WWE shows and written records. I've caught up on a lot of it but I hadn't even heard of WCW until that year when people started marking out left and right.
sf2fanatic
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Even jobber tag team matches back in the day was better than today's tag team rosters..
http://youtu.be/o3Wl6ixj1Lg
10 man tag match
http://youtu.be/o3Wl6ixj1Lg
10 man tag match
Posted this in the WM thread by accident.
Check out AJ's diary on wwe.com, it's suprisingly good: http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/29/wrestlemania-diary-aj-lee/day-one-26103830
Video's at the 3th page of AJ at her first wrestling school and the motel she lived in for a few years with her family.
Check out AJ's diary on wwe.com, it's suprisingly good: http://www.wwe.com/shows/wrestlemania/29/wrestlemania-diary-aj-lee/day-one-26103830
Video's at the 3th page of AJ at her first wrestling school and the motel she lived in for a few years with her family.
Mr. Enigma
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What a heel. That totally makes me want to boo her.
This is wwe.com we're speaking of, where every article is a gamble on the level of kayfabe maintained.
In this on it's pretty much comepletely OOC, minus the Dolph stuff at the start heh. Still it's a nice insight in AJ's life.
Keyser Soze
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...I am sure her parents would approve of Ziggles though!
Damn skippy! Ziggler is the first of her on-screen boyfriends that isn't an asshole to her. And Big E seems pretty damn protective of the girl as well.
Bryan was an asshole, Punk led her on and then dropped her when she got to pushy without actually just telling her, Cena ruined her carreer (THAT'S WHAT HE DO!) and Kane, well Kane was actually nice and dumped her like a normal person would.
Hm. Why is this team heel again?
HarryDemeanor
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Man those Rosa gifs. Freebird must be loving those.
Some things I think you must see:
Stone Cold's run from the Summer of 1996 to the Summer of 1997. It's fucking awesome. Especially at the beginning when he stood out so much from everything else going on in the WWF. The neck injury happened in the Summer of 1997, on top of the knee injury, and he wasn't quite the same again, but before that he was amazing.
The Sandman/Tommy Cairo feud with led into the Dreamer/Sandman feud which then bled into the Raven/Dreamer feud. For my money, I think the tail end of the Cairo/Sandman and into Dreamer/Sandman was the best feud ECW ever did. Raven/Dreamer is good, but I've always felt Dreamer/Sandman was better. And actually, I think Raven/Sandman was better than Dreamer/Raven. Basically you need to watch most of ECW 1994-1995 since all of those feuds are connected and interwoven, plus you'll get a lot of good stuff with Eddie/Dean/Benoit/Eliminators/Jericho/Scorpio/random Japanese dudes. There is also the Taz/Sabu feud, which was pretty much all of 1996 and 1997.
For WCW, you need to see the Dustin Rhodes vs Studd Stable feud, for starters. You might also want to dip back into the Dangerous Alliance era if you missed it, because that shit was awesome. Vader vs Sting, any Hollywood Blondes you can get a hold of, the 1995 Savage/Flair feud which I think was their best work together, the Sting/Luger storyline where Lex was a heel and Sting was a face but they were still bros, pretty much any midcard stuff from early 1996 to 1999, late Spring of 1996-Fallish of 1996 for nWo stuff then skip ahead to Fall of 1997 because it's exactly the same shit for that whole year. All the cruiser/tag/hardcore stuff for the first 4-5 months of 1999 were really good.
It's really a massive amount of stuff to watch. I think the best way to watch it is to actually watch all the weekly shows. Complete years worth of main WCW/WWF shows and PPVs are pretty easy to find online from 1995/1996 on. Not totally sure about ECW. It's pretty much impossible to find full years of WCW shows before Nitro came along. It's just such a commitment and if you watch a whole year of shows, you aren't really that excited to watch another 80 gigs of shows right away.
I wish WWE did more full feud comps. They don't need the shoot interviews like Bret vs HBK. Just a full chronicle of promos and matches from specific feuds. I'd much rather get something like that than DVDs produced on one guy. I want a god damn Dustin vs Studd Stable DVD, god damnit. I want a Randy Savage vs Ric Flair 1991-1999 DVD, god damn it. I want a Raven vs Dreamer vs Sandman DVD, god damn it. I want a Sting vs the Dangerous Alliance DVD, god damn it. I want a Bret vs Stone Cold DVD, god damn it.
GOD DAMN IT.
WE! THE PEOPLE!
Wait, AJ vs. Kaitlyn is not on the card? Missed opportunity.
Don't get me started again. I've only just calmed down about this.
She's from New Jersey for crying out loud!
Dark Ninja
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Next year will be Paige vs Emma just so WWE can get the whole stadium to do the Emma dance
-Pyromaniac-
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What if Langston cashed in and AJ became champion though.
Emma at Wrestlemania? In the ring? Someone I actually know competing? Truly a dream, because I know such a thing just isn't possible with WWE. At best Paige and Emma will be seen bringing out a Hall of Fame member.
Right now I would just settle for the Diva's championship being a shared title between WWE proper with Raw and Smackdown and the other shows, and NXT and just passed back and forth. That is reasonable to believe could happen with this company.
Does Mark Henry still live in New Jersey? I know he used to and the gym he supported is still going.
The only Stone Cold Steve Austin I actually liked in ring and promos consistently. Nothing seem exaggerated in his actions (beyond normal for wrestling moves), no overpowered take out the entire roster like no one but him mattered, no catchphrases constantly uttered, just a mean and cruel man in the ring and out because he wanted to he was ruthless to succeed. Easily worth watching now and great matches that more than stand the test of time
Right now I would just settle for the Diva's championship being a shared title between WWE proper with Raw and Smackdown and the other shows, and NXT and just passed back and forth. That is reasonable to believe could happen with this company.
Does Mark Henry still live in New Jersey? I know he used to and the gym he supported is still going.
The only Stone Cold Steve Austin I actually liked in ring and promos consistently. Nothing seem exaggerated in his actions (beyond normal for wrestling moves), no overpowered take out the entire roster like no one but him mattered, no catchphrases constantly uttered, just a mean and cruel man in the ring and out because he wanted to he was ruthless to succeed. Easily worth watching now and great matches that more than stand the test of time
Keyser Soze
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Next year will be Paige vs Emma just so WWE can get the whole stadium to do the Emma dance
Please let that dance get over
Let's go, Teem Donst!
Arrowgigantic
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Meltzer said in the latest Observer Newsletter that there was talk over the weekend of adding Kaitlyn and AJ to the Tag Titles match with a winner takes all stipulation, but nothing has been changed yet. He also seemed fairly disgusted by Cesaro being left off the card so far.
Guys, please stop with the gifs like that. I get that they're not explicit or graphic, but please use your head. Would your boss be okay with that if he saw it on your screen? Especially if it were just a quick glance or scroll through? Don't post stuff like that. Please remove what you have already posted or I will do it for you.
British Monsoon
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No, I think we're talking about the Rosa gifs that, at a glance, could appear entirely pornographic.
It's probably better to link that sort of stuff.
It's probably better to link that sort of stuff.
Could actually mean the Rosa gifs too. Those gifs are kinda big and hard to ignore if someone was to walk past your computer.
Its alright, you're not Michael Hayes. You aren't expected to remember that Rosa exists.
Hahaha. That first gif made me laugh out loud, and I'm at work. What an awesome dance.
D
Deleted member 47027
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Nobody's touchin those bitchin Emma gifs because nothin's wrong!
I really should make some Batista gifs someday...
I really should make some Batista gifs someday...
...I am sure her parents would approve of Ziggles though!
That's... a typical WWE fan for ya.
It should be noted that was at like 7 in the morning as well. I can barely figure out how to drink water at that time of the morning.
Jericho is on the show today.
Everything about him has been top. Glad to see he's finally getting to show off his talent.
What do you mean? If I was a sick child I'd definitely want to meet the woman that always gets booed for shrieking "Excuse ME!"
Well, Cena couldn't do it, because he's about to turn HEEL!
British Monsoon
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Ohmehgerd...
Somebody Ran Over Zandig's Car - Episode #2;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX-wP3FUK1U
"THIS IS SMALL POTATOES!", holy fuck, that ending was great. And lol at him running over Rikishi, "FUCK YOU, MOTHERFUCKER!"
Episode 1; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qg2gITDtYA
CEE-ZEE-DUB! CEE-ZEE-DUB! CEE-ZEE-DUB!
Somebody Ran Over Zandig's Car - Episode #2;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX-wP3FUK1U
"THIS IS SMALL POTATOES!", holy fuck, that ending was great. And lol at him running over Rikishi, "FUCK YOU, MOTHERFUCKER!"
Episode 1; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qg2gITDtYA
CEE-ZEE-DUB! CEE-ZEE-DUB! CEE-ZEE-DUB!