Hell, guys like Georges St-Pierre and Frank Edgar look as professional as any athlete in any sport and these MMA fans have done their best to run them out of the sport. Damn gimmick posters.
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Hell, guys like Georges St-Pierre and Frank Edgar look as professional as any athlete in any sport and these MMA fans have done their best to run them out of the sport. Damn gimmick posters.
Macho Madness
Member
You're asking to change something WWE has absolutely no control over. That's different than when people complain about booking. "Deal with it!" indeed.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
And they're pretty much indirectly defending a Batista/Orton main event which I think would've been absolute failure. But no Daniel Bryan looks like a sack of shit and pubic hair that he can't hang with the muscles and tattoos.
Macho Madness
Member
But they call Bryan fans the vocal minority.
Lambda Pie
Banned
pretty sure a bastard child ran GSP out of the business. and Egdar is still in. sure, stuck in the TUF black hole but still in.
slightconfuse
Banned
If they wanted to stop crowds from chanting "JBl" then they should stop with 4 minute ADR matches and santino: fandango matches every week.
Crowd shitting on the show saved RR 2014, crowd marking out for everything made the Raw After Mania memorable, dead crowds make dead shows. If the crowd thinks they are part of the show, they are damned right. Shows where the crowd is dead makes for worse shows, just see this thread during any Raw on a silently, respectful crowd.
Right or wrong, backfiring or not, those are thousands of strangers trying to coordinate themselves on the fly to simply have fun and a lot of times this fun translates into a better product, because, you know, fun is better than no fun. See also, how the NXT crowd makes everything better.
I'm not gonna call y'all gimmick posters, but I just don't understand this burning desire to make a weekly 3 hours show boring. We already have people telling Michael Cole to debate storylines during the match for that.
Right or wrong, backfiring or not, those are thousands of strangers trying to coordinate themselves on the fly to simply have fun and a lot of times this fun translates into a better product, because, you know, fun is better than no fun. See also, how the NXT crowd makes everything better.
I'm not gonna call y'all gimmick posters, but I just don't understand this burning desire to make a weekly 3 hours show boring. We already have people telling Michael Cole to debate storylines during the match for that.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
Look there's nothing to worry about, Lambda, Heel, anyone else are pretty much a vocal minority. We need them though, I like it when this happens.
It's because they have zero personality. GSP couldn't show personality and charisma even when he was acting as a comic book character. It's no surprise that the most popular MMA fighters are ones with personalities closer to pro wrestlers. Same idea why vanilla straight wrestling promotions like ROH (which isn't so much that anymore, but still) never take off to WWE levels.
There have been hundreds of Benoit/Malenko style dry technicians, but only a handful have ever really been successful. And that's because they stood out from a bunch of characters. They don't stand out when everyone is that.
Lambda Pie
Banned
GSP showed little, almost human bursts of emotion but it took Nick Diaz to bring it out.
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
But "no we need to go back" which I have no fucking clue what that means.
Honestly crowds were hot as shit back then. Back to 1995 when business was at its absolute worst.
MMA is full of vanilla, boring as fuck dudes who don't realize they are in the sports entertainment business. The guys who do realize that make tons of money even if their records aren't great.
Lambda Pie
Banned
very true.
Heel, now that i think about it, if UFC can make Conor McGregor presentable surely WWE can do the same with Bryan, you reckon?
That's because 1998 cruiser matches and 2000 Hardy Boyz matches weren't boring rest-hold filled matches between people who either have been around way to long, boring as shit, can't wrestle worth a damn, or run out of breath cutting promos.
This is what you're defending right now. This is why people call you guys gimmick posters. Because you can't see past the muscles and haircuts to realize that the guys you're defending, quite frankly, suck, and most people don't want to see them in 2014.
You might as well defend John Cena while you're at it.
serenewarfare
Banned
I don't think you read my follow-up post. I wasn't saying what it would seem like I'm saying. I just kind of worded it poorly.
The only difference between UFC and WWE is that the matches are shoots in UFC. That's it. It's the same business model, same everything. Guys get pushes. Guys have gimmicks. There are storylines. GM who won't get his fucking face off the shows. Wearing your t-shirts so you can sell them. Video packages. Entrance music. Announcers talking about random shit in the middle of a match. It's the same thing. Anyone who watches MMA and thinks it is some pure sport is as stupid as anyone who watches WWE and thinks it is a pure sport. They aren't even two sides of the same coin. They are the same side of the same coin, but with a few scratches on one half of that side.
They're both in the business of selling tickets and merchandise and do it in exactly the same way.
They're both in the business of selling tickets and merchandise and do it in exactly the same way.
canadian crowe
Member
I'm watching November to Remember 2000. Were all of ECWs 2000 PPVs so terrible?
Its jobber central in the undercard.
Its jobber central in the undercard.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
You never heard boring chants then because they put on compelling matches people wanted to see. You only hear JBL, Cole, and Jerry chants now because people are bored of what's happening in the ring, it's no different to a boring chant and I don't think it has much to do with people wanting to be on TV. I think Stro's examples of smarks being cunts was far better or the "Super Dragon!" guy in that they're doing it just to be dicks without any regard to how good the match is.
However none of that is at all relevant to what happened at the Royal Rumble where the entire crowd was upset that they didn't get to see who they wanted to see, they were clearly booing because they were upset with the booking.
I don't think you understand how to correctly use the terms which is what I was originally pointing out.
Guy who doesn't understand there's a difference between MMA and wrestling? You literally just called wrestlers fighters and are super salty about Bryan being pushed as a top guy because he could never be a UFC heavyweight champion.
GSP was so vanilla yet still the only legit draw in the in the sport post-Brock Lesnar. MMA fans didn't know what they had until he was gone.
serenewarfare
Banned
UFC guys need to be more like Jon Jones. I want to pay money to see Jon Jones either get his ass kicked or do something spectacular. He runs his mouth just enough for me to dislike him, but not enough for it to become tiring.
Lambda Pie
Banned
you do realize booing Batista didn't send him away, just turned him heel?
if you want someone gone, send the message: total silence. that shows folks don't care about him. don't give him a reaction. if you react to him it means he has some value, so he's kept around.
but nah, let's chant BOO-tista so the camera can film us and we can Vine it or Instagram it to everyone showing how awesome we are.
and don't get me started on the Total Divas stuff.
People reacted to X-Pac too.
very true.
Heel, now that i think about it, if UFC can make Conor McGregor presentable surely WWE can do the same with Bryan, you reckon?
But we already had presentable Daniel Bryan and he lasted 18 seconds at Wrestlemania.
The fans have spoken and they want the hobo look.
Better yet, you can buy a ton of tickets and not show up so they have a lot of empty chairs. That will show them!
Jon Jones is interesting in that his skill set has come into question after the pounding he received from Gustaffson which lead to a near berry. Still his fights are interesting and his personality is two-faced in that he wants to act as though he's humble, but look any closer and you can see that it's a thin veil for his arrogance.
serenewarfare
Banned
I agree. It's so stupid to see all the media types saying "Gustaffson fought his best fight and couldn't beat Jones when he wasn't at his best, so Jones will fix himself and kill Gustaffson later." I just don't get it.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
You think the crowd should show disinterest? Like chanting for JBL, Cole, and King during matches?
Modified makes it sound more technical, that is until they think of a name related to her and her gimmick.
In fact, let's call it: The Binder. Y'know cause her name is Paige.
To trick people into thinking her finisher is an original WWE sports entertainment creation? Like, no matter how good it looks or how well she does it, what really matters is that her finisher is hers.
The moment she has a snazzy name for it like "The Move That Beat AJ", it doesn't matter anymore if it is modified or not.
serenewarfare
Banned
Does WWE Countdown not exist anymore? It wasn't on this week, but I figured that was because of the Warrior special. It's not listed for next week either, though. In its place is "Best of Hall of Fame 2014".
Dr Duncan Steel
Member
I for one welcomed Batista to the main roster when he was announced but they had to be godamn idiots when he won the Rumble because of how Bryan was built up as and how over he was. You can give the audience all the credit they got, but WWE did their fair share in making Bryan a star also. Batista winning wasn't a swerve but a nightmare come true. Turning him heel was a Vince turning a negative into a positive and they had no choice. I don't think they wanted Batista gone, they didn't want him to win the Rumble. That was it.
El Pescado
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As a Slammy Award Winning member of the Raw After Wrestlemania Crowd of 2013 I find this turn in conversation deeply troubling.
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GSP was a draw because we kept waiting for someone to crack that shell of his and find a human underneath.
Diaz vs GSP was probably some of the most fun I've had in a long time, was dying to see Nick make him snap.
Diaz vs GSP was probably some of the most fun I've had in a long time, was dying to see Nick make him snap.
bean breath
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This thread bores me. At what point did WWE's PR team take over? Can't talk shit without the same 3-5 people running damage control as though our posts are somehow influencing the stock price.
The only interesting thing I read in the last 4 pages was that a Japanese lady washed Bret Hart's body with her pussy. Thank you, Alucard. Your post gave me the strength to slog through page after page of shit.
Does WWE dot com have an official forum for you toolboxes to eff off to? Somewhere you won't be bothered by our contrarian gimmick posting?
The only interesting thing I read in the last 4 pages was that a Japanese lady washed Bret Hart's body with her pussy. Thank you, Alucard. Your post gave me the strength to slog through page after page of shit.
Does WWE dot com have an official forum for you toolboxes to eff off to? Somewhere you won't be bothered by our contrarian gimmick posting?
serenewarfare
Banned
The only problem I had with it is that in the end it really didn't change much. Other than interesting comments in the build-up, the fight went exactly the same as most of GSP's fights. Diaz couldn't stop the takedowns, so he was taken down.
serenewarfare
Banned
So you are telling us to stop posting what we want and just let you post what you want? If someone disagrees with something, they aren't required to stay quiet.
Turning Batista heel was the best thing for him. He's still not really in ring shape, he can't fight a singles match with Sheamus full of rest spots and not look ridiculous. Now, he got to be in one of the greatest wrestlemania main events of all, being booed like a true goddamn heel should be booed, having a match that didn't demanded him to do more work than he can handle and still be a very good and exciting match.
Now he still is a damn good heel, he still is being protected by having Orton and Triple H carrying him and just letting him out to do some cool spot like the bomb into RKO into monitor accidental friendly fire finisher. So now he still is in the spotlight, first feuding with The Face Of WWE Daniel Bryan, now feuding with The Hounds Of Justice, possibly main eventing Extreme Rules as well and it is working, slowly, but it is working, people are starting to boo the character and not the man or the booking, people are starting to see him more as a threat and less as someone who almost faints in a match, because he is not in those kind of matches anymore, he is the guy who comes in fresh, does a finisher, stomp his feet so the crowd can boo him and hope for the face to make a comeback and then get out.
He may have not got his main event babyface push as he wanted, but aside from Trips and Steph, he is pretty much the top heel right now, which is really not a bad spot to be in.
Now he still is a damn good heel, he still is being protected by having Orton and Triple H carrying him and just letting him out to do some cool spot like the bomb into RKO into monitor accidental friendly fire finisher. So now he still is in the spotlight, first feuding with The Face Of WWE Daniel Bryan, now feuding with The Hounds Of Justice, possibly main eventing Extreme Rules as well and it is working, slowly, but it is working, people are starting to boo the character and not the man or the booking, people are starting to see him more as a threat and less as someone who almost faints in a match, because he is not in those kind of matches anymore, he is the guy who comes in fresh, does a finisher, stomp his feet so the crowd can boo him and hope for the face to make a comeback and then get out.
He may have not got his main event babyface push as he wanted, but aside from Trips and Steph, he is pretty much the top heel right now, which is really not a bad spot to be in.
Lambda Pie
Banned
that only tells me the crowd wants to be talked about and get props on live TV by JBL or Cole.
if you like you cheer. if you hate you boo. if you don't care you don't say anything.
popping for Sheamus when he enters, chanting unrelated stuff during the match and then popping Del Rio when he wins tells me, and the people in the back, absolutely nothing.
Corpus Christi let me knows what they think of those matches better than Chicago.
BronsonLee
Member
We'll never see human GSP again, Matt Serra made sure of that!
And anybody in the Diaz camp is bitchmade. Looking at you too Rousey, you know the jig is up soon
Macho Madness
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From Figure Four Weekly:
bean breath
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I want you personally to stop spamming the thread with a post seemingly every 60 seconds, yes, that would be a start in the right direction.
serenewarfare
Banned
Okay, I'll be sure to regulate my post count around your wishes. Or not. When I have something to say, I'll say it.
Macho Madness
Member
Well I don't like you quoting pages old posts, so stop doing that.
Here's a documentary about British wrestling, I don't know how good it is, I've only started watching it, seems alright so far though. http://youtu.be/WfxBr9mugTo
bean breath
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Whether you like it or hate it, you have to admit it elicits a strong reaction within you and that in and of itself is pretty great.