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[ViewtifulJC]

Unless one of you took a Jericho in it

I understood that reference!

Also, rewatching some of these HHH/HBK matches...I swear the street fight and that one match they had on RAW were the only ones worth a damn. Well, beside the triple threats with ***** ******. This 3 Stages of Hell match aint shit

 

[Ripclawe]

https://vine.co/v/M1F5pQw6rli

WWE Diva @NatalieEvaMarie makes her picks for tonight's co-main + main events! #UFCFightNight on FOX

 

[Sblargh]

I'd like to dedicate this next song to Dr Duncan Steel, Serenewarfare, Sblargh, Xater, CureVylash, and Ithil for putting this community on their backs and and carrying us to new heights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue2-ZVxpVjc

It's because I'm brazilian, right? You think we don't work, that we just go to the beach and scam tourists, is that it?

Shame, Bean Breath. Shame.

https://vine.co/v/M1F5pQw6rli

Please, take her UFC.

 

[British Monsoon]

It's because I'm brazilian, right? You think we don't work, that we just go to the beach and scam tourists, is that it?

Shame, Bean Breath. Shame.

Sounds about right. Everything I know about Brazil I learned from City of God, City of Men, Max Payne 3 and some VICE documentary.

 

[Nocturnowl]

Also, rewatching some of these HHH/HBK matches...I swear the street fight and that one match they had on RAW were the only ones worth a damn. Well, beside the triple threats with ***** ******. This 3 Stages of Hell match aint shit

It's like they were really trying hard to top the street fight by going gimmick crazy in almost all follow ups culminating in the ridiculous hell in a cell match that has such forced grandeur as needing a ladder leap through table spot in a cell match of all places and the finisher fiasco where it takes like three pedigrees to finish HBK with drawn out pinfalls.
Unfortunately when trying to think of how to make "epic" matches with Taker for WM Trips must've studied his overdone bouts with HBK for inspiration.

 

[bean breath]

It's because I'm brazilian, right? You think we don't work, that we just go to the beach and scam tourists, is that it?

Shame, Bean Breath. Shame.

No, it's because you all like the Bray Wyatt character and became very upset when John Cena sang that song to him. So now I'm channeling my inner John Cena and using that song to get a pavlovian response out of you guys. Please don't make me have to explain my stupid jokes, S-blargh.

 

[Dr Duncan Steel]

No, it's because you all like the Bray Wyatt character and became very upset when John Cena sang that song to him. So now I'm channeling my inner John Cena and using that song to get a pavlovian response out of you guys. Please don't make me have to explain my stupid jokes, S-blargh.

Pavlovian? Check out the big brain on bean.

 

[Hasney]

No, it's because you all like the Bray Wyatt character and became very upset when John Cena sang that song to him. So now I'm channeling my inner John Cena and using that song to get a pavlovian response out of you guys. Please don't make me have to explain my stupid jokes, S-blargh.

Thank you for explaining it, purely because that video is not available in my 3rd world country and I have no idea what it was. I'm going to assume now that it was Duran Duran - Rio just for kicks.

 

[bean breath]

Pavlovian? Check out the big brain on bean.

Even Stone Cold knows about Pavlov's Dog. It's not like I'm Colt Cabana or something.

 

[Macho Madness]

I have no investment in the Bray Wyatt character. And even if I did, I know that the character's goals are not to win matches but to destroy their opponent mentally.

 

[strobogo]

Even Stone Cold knows about Pavlov's Dog. It's not like I'm Colt Cabana or something.

Casual antisemitism. Come on, Bean.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

It's like they were really trying hard to top the street fight by going gimmick crazy in almost all follow ups culminating in the ridiculous hell in a cell match that has such forced grandeur as needing a ladder leap through table spot in a cell match of all places and the finisher fiasco where it takes like three pedigrees to finish HBK with drawn out pinfalls.
Unfortunately when trying to think of how to make "epic" matches with Taker for WM Trips must've studied his overdone bouts with HBK for inspiration.

And that goddamn Last Man Standing match...

Thats a recent problem I have, when people just blow through gimmick matches like they aint shit. It used to be a Cage match was the blow-off for a feud. Now you got long-ass Last Man Standing matches/street fights/ladder matches/No-DQ's that are just another step in the road. They don't feel as important when you use em like that.

 

[bean breath]

Casual antisemitism. Come on, Bean.

You dress like a skin head. You're like Ryan Gosling in that movie The Believer:

 

[Macho Madness]

And that goddamn Last Man Standing match...

Thats a recent problem I have, when people just blow through gimmick matches like they aint shit. It used to be a Cage match was the blow-off for a feud. Now you got long-ass Last Man Standing matches/street fights/ladder matches/No-DQ's that are just another step in the road. They don't feel as important when you use em like that.

That's part of the problem I hope HHH and the Network are going to help fix. WWE tends to book themselves in a corner with these PPVs or "Special Events" that have themes where they need to book a certain match. Which leads to problems when they're not the blowoff match.

They need to move away from PPVs called "Extreme Rules", "Hell in a Cell", "TLC" etc. because the story they're trying to tell often doesn't require these kinds of matches but they're forced to book them anyway.

Royal Rumble and MITB get a pass because they have a purpose that doesn't intersect with stories, but the others are a problem.

 

[strobogo]

You dress like a skin head. You're like Ryan Gosling in that movie The Believer:

 

[Sblargh]

Sounds about right. Everything I know about Brazil I learned from City of God, City of Men, Max Payne 3 and some VICE documentary.

I haven't watched City of Men, City of God is dope and Max Payne 3 is realistic in a very creepy way; it's not actually realistic because of the million enemies, crazy storyline, over the top characters and so on, but the São Paulo atmosphere is so spot on, it's eerie.

No, it's because you all like the Bray Wyatt character and became very upset when John Cena sang that song to him. So now I'm channeling my inner John Cena and using that song to get a pavlovian response out of you guys. Please don't make me have to explain my stupid jokes, S-blargh.

I'm onto you bean. One of these days you'll slip and everyone will see you for the monster that you are.

 

[bean breath]

I have no investment in the Bray Wyatt character. And even if I did, I know that the character's goals are not to win matches but to destroy their opponent mentally.

How does he destroy his opponent mentally?

I think the Bray Wyatt character will be revealed to be corrupt like a televangelist, his two cronies will find out that all Wyatt cares about is that championship gold and making money up in this bitch.

 

[Keyser Soze]

 

[Nocturnowl]

And that goddamn Last Man Standing match...

Thats a recent problem I have, when people just blow through gimmick matches like they aint shit. It used to be a Cage match was the blow-off for a feud. Now you got long-ass Last Man Standing matches/street fights/ladder matches/No-DQ's that are just another step in the road. They don't feel as important when you use em like that.

This reminds me of the most ass backwards feud setup in recent years that was Alberto Del Rio defeating Big Show for the WHC in a Last Man standing match on Smackdown that started the feud which was then followed up by another LMS match at the Rumble and then the final showdown was a singles match at the next PPV.
The only thing more baffling is the idea of a main event ADR/Big Show feud in the first place, though in fairness the matches weren't that bad...I think.

That's part of the problem I hope HHH and the Network are going to help fix. WWE tends to book themselves in a corner with these PPVs or "Special Events" that have themes where they need to book a certain match. Which leads to problems when they're not the blowoff match.

They need to move away from PPVs called "Extreme Rules", "Hell in a Cell", "TLC" etc. because the story they're trying to tell often doesn't require these kinds of matches but they're forced to book them anyway.

Royal Rumble and MITB get a pass because they have a purpose that doesn't intersect with stories, but the others are a problem.

Safe to say that the use of the Hell in a Cell PPV alongside the PG era's booking managed to successfully ruin that match type entirely.

 

[DMczaf]

No jealous eyes in the world

 

[strobogo]

Man, Savage randomly goes HAM on Hogan on this episode of Raw in October 1993. Hogan had been gone and not even mentioned outside of anything except to hype Yoko's win over him since June. Out of the blue, Savage is on TV calling Hogan a prima dona, a back stabber, and a liar. And a guy who walks around thinking he's the messiah.


This comes completely out of nowhere since Hogan hadn't been mentioned since right after KOTR and the last time he was, Macho acted like the biggest Hulkamaniac in the world. He also spent weeks implying that Hogan either was Jesus, or best friends with him.

 

[gurudyne]

This reminds me of the most ass backwards feud setup in recent years that was Alberto Del Rio defeating Big Show for the WHC in a Last Man standing match on Smackdown that started the feud which was then followed up by another LMS match at the Rumble and then the final showdown was a singles match at the next PPV.
The only thing more baffling is the idea of a main event ADR/Big Show feud in the first place, though in fairness the matches weren't that bad...I think.

Depends on how much you like a duct tape finish to your LMS match.

I still find it funny that the entire feud sprang up overnight because Show had the belt, and Vince wanted face!ADR vs TeaParty!Swagger at WM for the press. And look how that ended. They really should have let Zeb off the leash on that one. Instead, rated-G political statements from the bad guy, a beyond-tepid good guy and Swaggs getting busted for pot made the entire December-Mania run of that belt pointless. Ziggler had a bigger impact on the belt in the end.

 

[Macho Madness]

That Big Show/ADR feud was a great underdog story, but unfortunately ADR also completely bombed as a face once he was champion for a few months. Then the whole Swagger storyline... UGGGHHHH.

 

[strobogo]

 

[Plywood]

Heyman's 2nd part on the Austin show....

The "FACT OF THE MATTER IS, I DIDN'T LISTEN IN ON THAT CALL" great story from Paul about listening on a Raw conference call where they were planning booking all the way up to Wrestlemania.*

*Right at the 1:11:58 mark if you wanna hear it.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

This reminds me of the most ass backwards feud setup in recent years that was Alberto Del Rio defeating Big Show for the WHC in a Last Man standing match on Smackdown that started the feud which was then followed up by another LMS match at the Rumble and then the final showdown was a singles match at the next PPV.
The only thing more baffling is the idea of a main event ADR/Big Show feud in the first place, though in fairness the matches weren't that bad...I think.

Man...ADR/Big Show was a feud that went on for several months...that is a thing that happen

tfw somebody says Savage/Steamboat WM3 was "boring"

 

[DMczaf]

Man, Savage randomly goes HAM on Hogan on this episode of Raw in October 1993. Hogan had been gone and not even mentioned outside of anything except to hype Yoko's win over him since June. Out of the blue, Savage is on TV calling Hogan a prima dona, a back stabber, and a liar. And a guy who walks around thinking he's the messiah.


This comes completely out of nowhere since Hogan hadn't been mentioned since right after KOTR and the last time he was, Macho acted like the biggest Hulkamaniac in the world. He also spent weeks implying that Hogan either was Jesus, or best friends with him.

I gotta watch this. Sounds like Real Ass Macho Man appeared for a brief moment. I miss that Macho Man.

 

[bean breath]

Listening to Heyman describe heymanhustle dot com was embarrassing. Sports, hot #chicks, and e-mail contests for videogames? As though dedicated sports sites and free streaming porn aren't readily available. I actually visited the site just now and it makes Legitshook look like a professional website.

Think tanks with college students? "We will reimburse you for transit fare and feed you". SMH

What has your think tank produced, Paul E. Heyman, Paul Dangerously? (I laughed everytime Stone Cold got his name mixed up)

 

[bean breath]

Also at the end when Stone Cold said,

"Alright, I gotta get some lunch."

"May I join you, sir?"

"...Sure."

You could tell Austin was thinking, "Why the hell did I say that out loud?!" LOL

 

[Entropia]

Oh damn;

- WWE referee Charles Robinson nearly lost his thumb while setting up the ring for Friday's WWE live event in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia.

Robinson reportedly sliced his thumb so badly that he nearly lost it. WWE's Dr. Chris Amann, who was on the tour, was able to stitch it up.

 

[Spiderjericho]

Heyman's 2nd part on the Austin show....

The "FACT OF THE MATTER IS, I DIDN'T LISTEN IN ON THAT CALL" great story from Paul about listening on a Raw conference call where they were planning booking all the way up to Wrestlemania.*

*Right at the 1:11:58 mark if you wanna hear it.

I kind of felt bad for him. A former promoter of a semi major promotion relegated to Steph's assistant. I also thought he sounded ridiculous lying.

He really does have a tenuous relationship with the company/McMahons. Right now, he has some friends in high places (Punk and Brock). But his work as a heel manager has definitely been great. Zeb and Heyman are great despite being used lightly. It would be great if they got stables like Henan or Hart.

 

[Elfforkusu]

I gotta watch this. Sounds like Real Ass Macho Man appeared for a brief moment. I miss that Macho Man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SG50i1k_0Qc

 

[strobogo]

I gotta watch this. Sounds like Real Ass Macho Man appeared for a brief moment. I miss that Macho Man.

It's episode 36. The same episode as the Macho/Crush summit. It was brought on by Brain mentioning something about what Randy said on WWF Radio over the weekend about a friend. And then he went on a little rant that I'm sure Vince had nothing at all to do with.

 

[slightconfuse]

 

[Nocturnowl]

Depends on how much you like a duct tape finish to your LMS match.

STOOP THAT LOW!

 

[Keyser Soze]

Stupid Irish goof

 

[Pickles the Firecat]

Heyman Hustle is pretty much GeoCities brought back to life. How in the hell is that a real thing.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

Heyman Hustle is pretty much GeoCities brought back to life. How in the hell is that a real thing.

I'm wondering if there's a Flash intro page where I can choose between Frames/No Frames

Maybe a dancing baby and off-center spinning skull gifs to spruce it up

 

[Razorskin]

Heyman Hustle is pretty much GeoCities brought back to life. How in the hell is that a real thing.

Heyman talked it up so much in the podcast that when I went to the site I was immediately let down.

 

[bean breath]

Oh yeah, how could I forget about #HustleBootyTempTats?!

 

[DMczaf]

I follow Heyman Hustle on TOUT.

 

[Keyser Soze]

 

[Macho Madness]

I think you guys forget that Paul Heyman is such a good pitchman that he could make shit sound like gold if you gave him enough time

 

[Spiderjericho]

He sounds like a slimy used car salesman.

 

[bean breath]

He sounds like a slimy used car salesman.

Bingo.

 

[ViewtifulJC]

He sounds like a slimy used car salesman.

Isn't that his entire character

 

[Pickles the Firecat]

Isn't that his entire character

Yeah but it's kind of awkward when you realize that he's really like that outside of his wrasslin' character.

 

[Aiii]

Heyman is also incredibly smart and incredibly good at getting the best out of talent. Guy deserves every praise he gets and then some.

 

[Striker]

That Big Show/ADR feud was a great underdog story, but unfortunately ADR also completely bombed as a face once he was champion for a few months. Then the whole Swagger storyline... UGGGHHHH.

I thought they were poor heels to face off against. Shoe did ok things as heel, but he was never hated because he's always flipping back and forth between both sides. Swagger was simply a terrible choice to go with from the get go. Scary to think he was possibly winning the title at Mania until he got arrested. Once ADR and Dolph did the double switch, it should've begun a lengthy feud between the two. Instead, Swagger concusses Dolph, and once Dolph returns he drops the title back and they drop the feud permanently. A letdown, for sure. ADR was getting heat for kicking him in the head, something a heel would do. Most heels today lack those sort of things - cheap tactics or dirty moves.

Royal Rumble and MITB get a pass because they have a purpose that doesn't intersect with stories, but the others are a problem.

If anything, MitB is something better suited at Mania. They could have used it this year instead of the battle royal. Play up June as the King of the Ring, instead, and use the rest of the gimmick themed as they was before, i.e. Backlash, Great American Bash, Vengeance, No Mercy, Unforgiven, and so forth.

 

[Data West]

Yeah but it's kind of awkward when you realize that he's really like that outside of his wrasslin' character.

That's most the wrestlers now though.