Are you a Lightning Rod, as I linked a while ago? Other than how often you can use it, does your power vary at all from that link?
I think hiding it any further just confuses town as much as KGB.
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Archer [Mafia] |OT| Wait, I Had Something For This
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Are you a Lightning Rod, as I linked a while ago? Other than how often you can use it, does your power vary at all from that link?
I think hiding it any further just confuses town as much as KGB.
Septimus Prime
Member
Here are the mission attendees from Night 4:
Mazre
EzekelRAGE
Gorlak
Darryl
Mazre
EzekelRAGE
Gorlak
Darryl
So, QB didn't really check Palmer, then.
QuantumBro
Banned
Nice catch! Can't believe I didn't see this before.
brett bunsen
I need to put all actions into one post:
Darryl(Cop)
N1 - Mission - Mazre - Town
N2 - Mission - ER - Town
N3 - HQ - TheGoddamn - Town
N4 - Mission - ??? - ??? (died)
YesNo(Role Blocker)
N1 - HQ - Haly - No Death that night
N2 - HQ - Seath - Roy(DR) died
N3 - HQ - Mike - No Death
N4 - HQ - Mike - Darryl(Cop) died on mission
N5 - HQ - Mike - No Death
QB (Hunter?)
N1 - HQ - El Topo - Town/Neutral
N2 - HQ - Arkos - Town/Neutral
N3 - HQ - Darryl - Town/Neutral
N4 - HQ - Palmer(Maybe Squidyj) - Town/Neutral
N5 - HQ - Kristoffer - Town/Neutral
Squidyj(Lightning Rod?)
N1 - HQ - ???
N2 - HQ - ???
N3 - Mission - ???
N4 - HQ - Used ability
N5 - HQ - Didn't use ability.
El Topo(SK) - From memory, verify please.
N1 - HQ - ???
N2 - HQ - Roy???
Haly(Framer)
I don't think he ever admitted to any actions.
Honeypot
???
Doctor(s)
???
Darryl(Cop)
N1 - Mission - Mazre - Town
N2 - Mission - ER - Town
N3 - HQ - TheGoddamn - Town
N4 - Mission - ??? - ??? (died)
YesNo(Role Blocker)
N1 - HQ - Haly - No Death that night
N2 - HQ - Seath - Roy(DR) died
N3 - HQ - Mike - No Death
N4 - HQ - Mike - Darryl(Cop) died on mission
N5 - HQ - Mike - No Death
QB (Hunter?)
N1 - HQ - El Topo - Town/Neutral
N2 - HQ - Arkos - Town/Neutral
N3 - HQ - Darryl - Town/Neutral
N4 - HQ - Palmer(Maybe Squidyj) - Town/Neutral
N5 - HQ - Kristoffer - Town/Neutral
Squidyj(Lightning Rod?)
N1 - HQ - ???
N2 - HQ - ???
N3 - Mission - ???
N4 - HQ - Used ability
N5 - HQ - Didn't use ability.
El Topo(SK) - From memory, verify please.
N1 - HQ - ???
N2 - HQ - Roy???
Haly(Framer)
I don't think he ever admitted to any actions.
Honeypot
???
Doctor(s)
???
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
topopi said he targetted roy N1 too but somehow his kill failed so he tried again N2 and succeeded
like I said yesterday I attract all actions in my group. mission/non-mission. There's a bit of a minor twist if I activate on the mission tho. I will say what it is before the day phase is over but I want to give it another 24h.
I like this plan so far.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
what's enker's role name?
we still are missing a carol and a pam, i think...
we still are missing a carol and a pam, i think...
That's fine.
So I'm on board with lynching Mike to try and verify YesNo. Lynching QB to verify Kris and Arkos is a distant second choice for me right now as well.
El Topo, Seath, and the honeypot's roles are firmly anti-town, while QB is pro-town. I think they mostly balance each other out though, since QB's acts as another form of Cop for us as well.
If we take those 4 out, we're left with 19 players. 3 Mafia would be a little low for that. 4 is more likely, IMO. 5 is unlikely as well, but possible. 4 > 5 > 3 would by my order. That leaves 14, 15, or 16 townies. We've lost Darryl, Roy, Visual, right?
So at worst, it's 11v3 right now. At best, it's 13v1. If Honeypot is actually KGB, it would be further in town's favor.
Enker role claimed too? When did this happen?
Septimus Prime
Member
We lost Burbeting, too.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
he used override and turboed yesterday?
Can we please just assume Topo killed Roy?
GIVE ROY JUSTICE.
JUSTICE FOR ROY.
He said as much in his second (and completely true) claim.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
So we lynch MikeHawk, then.
Vote: Mike_Hawk689
Vote: Mike_Hawk689
Spoiled Milk
Banned
QB, what do you think of that course of action?
Enker used his power but he didn't give us a name which I would very much like.
Definitely don't believe he's town based on just the ability use.
If he is town it should have been Lana with the override and the override command being Nope. Missed opportunity.
Septimus Prime
Member
Seems unlikely he would use OVERRIDE to knock out a fellow KGB agent if he were KGB.
What was weird was that he didn't really override anything, since we were going to lynch Gorlak regardless.
QuantumBro
Banned
Well in a perfect world I'd want you guys to lynch no one during the day since if you end up lynching the honeypot I can't win. But that's not happening, haha, so I'm fine with the plan Palmer thought up. Any ideas for who I should go after tonight? I was thinking of going after Palmer again.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
also gimme someone to sex with pls
That makes no damn sense. If I was Honeypot, I woulda killed ER on one of the 2 missions I shared with him.
septimus. If you die then we learn something.
Sorry, what was your name again?
EzekelRAGE
Member
What would going after palmer again do?
Spoiled Milk
Banned
No. What do you think of lynching Mike?
Septimus Prime
Member
Yeah, I don't mind. You won't die. KGB would probably night-kill you, though, to frame me. But then they'll lynch me and see that I'm town.
Why is Palmer so resistant to being checked?
Cause I'm obviously not the Honeypot, or I would have already killed ER. Twice.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Gotcha! You can't kill someone twice.
Spoiled Milk
Banned
Stop slapping our nuts in the direction of a boondoggle. Palmer is obviously town.
Septimus Prime
Member
Okay, so ignore that second part, then.
More importantly, I'm thinking that if QB checks me, KGB will night-kill him, and then I'll be boned. On top of this, QB won't be able to reveal who he checked at all if he dies.
So, how about we get QB and whomever you want him to check on the mission?
More importantly, I'm thinking that if QB checks me, KGB will night-kill him, and then I'll be boned. On top of this, QB won't be able to reveal who he checked at all if he dies.
So, how about we get QB and whomever you want him to check on the mission?
Neutral at worst. wink wink. nudge nudge.
So..... there's something about Zeke that's been rubbing me the wrong way.
talking about gorlak he's been makign every effort to suggest that gorlak learned about Darryl in the thread without providing any evidence. He also called explicitly for a Lana counterclaim when I did my fake claim which I didn't really like, like I think he would have been happy if I was lynched and darryl revealed in day chat, giving him the cover for the kill.
Furthermore he seems to be quite obsessed with protecting himself which is paradoxical for a role that offers nothing other than to be resilient vs mafia attacks, making him one of hte worst people to protect in the game, worse than a confirmed drone even.
Of course he's claimed Archer and we have no counterclaim at this point but I think it's possible that he's Archer and KGB. He's been implanted with a KGB microchip.
With that said I'm curious what the ordering was on Darryl's n1/n2 checks and I really want EVERYONE to tell me when they knew Greatlord/Darryl was Lana.
talking about gorlak he's been makign every effort to suggest that gorlak learned about Darryl in the thread without providing any evidence. He also called explicitly for a Lana counterclaim when I did my fake claim which I didn't really like, like I think he would have been happy if I was lynched and darryl revealed in day chat, giving him the cover for the kill.
Furthermore he seems to be quite obsessed with protecting himself which is paradoxical for a role that offers nothing other than to be resilient vs mafia attacks, making him one of hte worst people to protect in the game, worse than a confirmed drone even.
Of course he's claimed Archer and we have no counterclaim at this point but I think it's possible that he's Archer and KGB. He's been implanted with a KGB microchip.
With that said I'm curious what the ordering was on Darryl's n1/n2 checks and I really want EVERYONE to tell me when they knew Greatlord/Darryl was Lana.
Septimus Prime
Member
I never knew. Not until Darryl died.
I have to assume based on Seath's role, that Archer is Town. Getting Mafia lynched is just par for the course. Getting town lynched is a neutral role. Plus Darryl cleared him. Do you really think there's another role that can hide their faction, like Nikolai?
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
so....
3 neutrals:
... at least 3 KGBs:
There cant be more than that, right? In a 23 players game?
3 neutrals:
- el topo - SK - neutral neutral (kills can hit either agency or kgb) - role name is from outside game (robin hood)
- QB - neutral pro-agency - out to kill honipot - role name: Roman Clazado (from source? idk i havent watched that far maybe)
- seath - neutral pro-kgb - out to kill sterling archer - role name: Conway Stern (from source)
... at least 3 KGBs:
- haly the super cute framing corgilord
- gorlak the betrayer
- maybe mike (potentially the honipot???)
There cant be more than that, right? In a 23 players game?
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
Arkos
Nose how to spell and rede to
Man sorry I'm behind, MGSV will only make it worse "today"
Darryl claimed "Lane Kane" (spelling lol) on N1, which is why I remained semi-suspicious of the claim until the end, and also why I figured he may have announced it in other night chats.
Darryl claimed "Lane Kane" (spelling lol) on N1, which is why I remained semi-suspicious of the claim until the end, and also why I figured he may have announced it in other night chats.
EzekelRAGE
Member
What evidence can I provide? I can't screenshot and I'm assuming I can't quote it word for word. Also has Mazre said I lied about anything I said? I dont know what's so hard to understand about "The conversation pointed to Darryl having a PR or being Cop".
I called for the counterclaim for Lana because I knew who Lana was and thought it was weird you would use Lana for the claim. On top of not knowing what you were doing.
I didn't want to get off a mission to test a mission of yours. I'm not gonna feel bad for trying to protect myself. Why are you volunteering? Have you asked why cabbeh volunteering?
If we are just pulling theories outta nowhere maybe your KGB and you bussed Haly. You were the one that told Darryl to stay on the mission, fearing for his safety. When he was in no danger at all of being killed as far as we know. Maybe your the HP and planned to kill me last day phase, which is why you really wanted me off the mission. Maybe you plan to kill me on this mission and blame it on Mazre, since you already planted the seeds of doubt last day phase.
2 guys confirmed by cop. Last day phase it was Mazre who was the KGB who read ISIS. This day phase it's me?
EzekelRAGE
Member
I'm just having a hard time seeing why Gorlak would throw himself on that grenade if he wasn't sure about Darryl which suggests to me that he was being fed outside knowledge from a mafia teammate to make those decisions, or potentially he was investigated by a mafia investigator on n3, but I find that to be less likely. So the question becomes who would be in a position to give Gorlak that information?
EzekelRAGE
Member
It was extremely obvious Darryl had a PR of some sort. His first post in chat was about being outed. You will see what I mean when you read the mission thread post game.
Darryl did feel like there was a leak as well. He felt like Haly already knew that you were fake claiming. Idk if he was reading too much into something or what.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Also, Gor volunteered first thing that day. So how would he know Darryl would be on the mission that day? Unless he knew someone would convince Darryl to be on a mission.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Mazre
Ezekel Rage
Arkos
Palmer
Squidy
The first two being cleared by Darryl, so that leaves
Arkos
Palmer
Squidy
gee golly why would I want someone who I believe to be the cop to be on the mission if I'm town? IT HAS TO BE A CONSPIRACY!
EzekelRAGE
Member
If you are not town and setup a useless KGB to take the fall, it makes sense. Isn't that the argument you were trying to push that Mazre was doing last day phase? Make a lot more sense than:
So I'm running through thoughts in my head regarding Squidy being a lightning bolt role as I feel it could help us determine if he is town or not. I'm also guessing here that the sphere of influence would draw kills to him as well.
With that in mind I'm trying to determine how it benefits town, as when Squidy uses it there is a good chance he will die (unless doctors are still in play) and we wouldn't gain much info from it. Though I suppose providing one of the roles you draw would protect Squisy it acts as a kinda role block in regards to the killer, who we could assume wouldn't know why the kill didn't go through if YesNo not getting alerted to her change in fuck buddy is to be believed. But at this stage in the game with two doctors gone it's a good chance that it would just result in Squidy dying which I'm not sure would help out much.
So then I got thinking, what if a mafia had lightning rod abilities but would also need be able to draw his teammates actions to him? He would need to be split up from the group then, and on the nigh Squidy used his ability we know that the cop and mafia killer were away on a mission so he wouldn't draw them in. But again this essentially just works as a kind of role block that puts the user at risk, but this is a bigger issue for mafia than town due to there lowered numbers so that seems unlikely to me. Also it still just seems really hard to see Squidy as mafia after he was the driving force in getting Haly and was going in hard on Razmos, who became Gorlak, right from the start as well. If Squidy is mafia then he would have thrown two team mates under the bus in an attempt to win. I could maybe buy one, but two players seems a very dangerous play for mafia.
With that in mind I'm trying to determine how it benefits town, as when Squidy uses it there is a good chance he will die (unless doctors are still in play) and we wouldn't gain much info from it. Though I suppose providing one of the roles you draw would protect Squisy it acts as a kinda role block in regards to the killer, who we could assume wouldn't know why the kill didn't go through if YesNo not getting alerted to her change in fuck buddy is to be believed. But at this stage in the game with two doctors gone it's a good chance that it would just result in Squidy dying which I'm not sure would help out much.
So then I got thinking, what if a mafia had lightning rod abilities but would also need be able to draw his teammates actions to him? He would need to be split up from the group then, and on the nigh Squidy used his ability we know that the cop and mafia killer were away on a mission so he wouldn't draw them in. But again this essentially just works as a kind of role block that puts the user at risk, but this is a bigger issue for mafia than town due to there lowered numbers so that seems unlikely to me. Also it still just seems really hard to see Squidy as mafia after he was the driving force in getting Haly and was going in hard on Razmos, who became Gorlak, right from the start as well. If Squidy is mafia then he would have thrown two team mates under the bus in an attempt to win. I could maybe buy one, but two players seems a very dangerous play for mafia.