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Are you afraid that WW3 might happen?
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GulfCoastZilla
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Nothing we could do about it even if it happens.
Wildebeest
Member
If Beijing wants it, then it is going to happen. Doesn't matter what you, me, or Joe Rogan thinks of it.
The Fartist
Gold Member
"I'm alive today in this world, it can't happen, I'm too special for it to happen"Love the posters that say it won’t happen you guys are in denial
poopchad420
Neo Member
Nothing ever happens
Polygonal_Sprite
Gold Member
Rich and powerful people like to be rich and powerful too much to destroy Earth in nuclear war.
More proxy wars that keep the military industrial complex going? Of course.
More proxy wars that keep the military industrial complex going? Of course.
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
FunkMiller
Member
Most of Beijing have their own vast wealth tied up in American companies - and they're not going to risk that. Say what you want about global capitalism, but it's a great way to ensure self interest wins out over glorious conquest every time.
FunkMiller
Member
Do you actually think anything really powerful in the US's arsenal has been brought to bear in this conflict? Because it really, really hasn't.
Anybody who thinks America couldn't end this war in an afternoon with a bombardment of every Russian site in Ukrainian territory using tomahawks has not been paying attention to how much fucking money the US spends on its military.
You think all those satellites are up there are doing nothing?
The biggest disinformation campaign waged by the Russians is the idea they have a fucking hope against NATO, unless they go nuclear. Which Putin hasn't done, despite his red lines being crossed again, and again, and again.
Paper. Tiger.
Goat. Fucker.
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Wildebeest
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Global capitalism is what was in place before world war one. It is no cast iron guarantee. There are ways where capitalism and war align, such as giving a reason to run up a massive debt not possible in peace and controlling resources and governments.
P:axMagellanic
Member
The world pre WWI was as globalised as we are now.
The yanks and Chinese will be at each others throats within out lifetimes.
Dr.Morris79
Member
I fucking hope so. This tinned curry isn't going to eat itself.
Magic Carpet
Gold Member
I'm sure it will happen on the day I retire from work. Won't even get my first SS deposit. The bank will be gone. My paid off house will get blown off it's foundation and the EMP will destroy my electric car. No bridges left anywhere to live under. It's going to be a rough world for the survivors of WW3.
Sadly, this COULD be avoided.
The US is uniquely positioned to be energy AND food independent, a very rare capability for most countries and none of the other current world major players can claim the same. The US is also in a great defensive position with oceans on almost all sides (if we kinda fold in Canada) and a southern border that could be closed quickly with any desire to do so.
We could then just kinda sit out China, India, Russia, and Europe deciding who controls what and very quickly the unequal distribution of food and energy would lead to a lot of countries collapsing and mass famine. It may still happen even if the US stays as World Police (TM) but the only real reason the US and China would fight is Chinas desire for regional control (much like Russia in Ukraine) and whether or not the US wants to deny it. China is FUCKED if they can't sort out some serious internal issues with their population.
They are expected to go from this:
to this in just 16 years
That will CRUSH them internally unless they get to having the babies and/or allow MASSIVE immigration, and who is rushing to go to CHINA?
The US and the West can avoid this situation by selective immigration of "the productive ones" and then try to culturally indoctrinate them as much as possible to preserve the local customs and language but I don't think China can do that.
llien
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WW1 had nothing to do with capitalism.
It started at imperial era, when waging wars to move borders was a routine.
Germans felt bad about not having the room to expand, despite having strong industry and quite an army and fleet.
WW2 was the guys who lost WW1 giving it another try.
After that try countries agreed on never moving borders by force again.
What Ruzza and Putler are doing (the f*ck is driven by the butthurt from losing the Cold War, quite like Hitler had BH from WW1, except German WW1 defeat was way more humiliating), if successful, will bring us back into that imperial times. With unpredictable results.
I do NOT believe US would get directly involved if Xi decides to grab Taiwan, which, mind you, is part of People's Republic of China de jure.
I don't see why Putler would stop trying to expand, unless his ass is kicked in major military ways. I hope Collective West gets that before poor Ukrainians bleed out dry.
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Wildebeest
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It wasn't exactly routine in Europe at the time, I think, which is why it was so shocking when weapons like machine guns and gas were used in Europe. At the time, Europe was mostly fighting colonial wars. Like it or not, those wars did have something to do with capitalism, as they were fighting over access to resources and territories. A major diplomatic grievance of Germany was their lack of colonial territory compared to other nations, although thanks to the war they lost all they had.
Kraz
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Given the way PRChina's airforce and navy behave with Ruski-like delinquency makes it seem they may also want to also copy Moscovia's barbarous approach to Ukraine, and Tiananmen Square the people of Taiwan.
Found this old fight song a few months ago when looking for anti-communist music.
The Three Principles mentioned were inspired by Abe Lincoln.
A lack of supporting Taiwan could be taken a sign of American decline.
XXL
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"In 2023, the US spent $916 billion on its military, which was over 40% of the world's total military spending"
There are 195 countries....
Like I said earlier in this thread.....no one wants to find out why the US spends almost 1 TRILLION per year on their military.
That's basically 1% of the worldwide GPD, per year.
Anyone who wants to start WW3...
There are 195 countries....
Like I said earlier in this thread.....no one wants to find out why the US spends almost 1 TRILLION per year on their military.
That's basically 1% of the worldwide GPD, per year.
Anyone who wants to start WW3...
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FunkMiller
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Project EVE
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I feel like it's time for them to use AI robots/androids instead of real human to fight in the next war. Also government should start providing shelters and bunkers for us to go to.
Forsete
Member
I feel we are in it right now.
Fascist ruzzia attacking Europe, china attacking Europe, north korea attacking Europe, iran attacking Europe.
Weaksause response from Europe though, excluding Ukraine which is doing all the fighting.
Not to mention untrustworthy america.
Fascist ruzzia attacking Europe, china attacking Europe, north korea attacking Europe, iran attacking Europe.
Weaksause response from Europe though, excluding Ukraine which is doing all the fighting.
Not to mention untrustworthy america.
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FunkMiller
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Hard to disagree. Decades of the EU growing fat and complacent, and an America that's so turned in on itself that it's lost a lot of its international worth.
This doesn't result in WW3, but it does make things very rocky for the foreseeable future.
Tell me you’re not paying attention without telling me.
Russia HAS bombed ukrain to pieces and the only reason Keive still stands is because of USA anti air equipment bc Russias shit is basic and old as hell. Russia has completely ruined whole regions of Ukraine with zero regard to its citizens women or children. Your post smacks of someone that is completely clueless of any reality in Russia or Ukraine.
Russia is garbage. Seriously. Their economy. Tech. Brain power. All of it is old and might as well be Stone Age quality.
Himars which is 1990s weaponry is giving Russia all it can eat. If you seriously believe the nonsense you posted then why is the war still going on? Why is Russia being completely humiliated and wasted whole generations of its people to a war it could easily win. Answer: you’re 100% wrong.
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Pray you never see a real world war then. Stay in dream land.
Forsete
Member
Its still in its infancy, but we are in it.
Weird things are happening all the time in my country.
Peace has been on the table since day 1 and every single sensible leader like Zelensky, Biden, Macron, EU leadership were open to it: stop the invasion and retreat from the illegally occupied territories.
Anything else is not "peace" but a successful invasion.
Putin is the Hitler of our times, picture perfect, and inaction from the west, like the likes of Orban, Trump and other Hitler/Putin admirors have been pushing for, would have lead to an exact early days WW2 scenario. Depending on how things evolve in favour of the invaders, that is still on the table unfortunatelly.
Kraz
Member
The Ruscists did expect to massacre Ukraine with a sudden, unannounced genocidal attack. With stated intentions of invading other Western nations under flimsy, false pretenses.
That does appear to be the start of WW3. Maybe where legit historians, if any are still around, would mark the start. If not 2014.
Escalating now with their closest ally North Korea and their state sending troops. They definitely didn't expect Pighosin and Wagner to be destroyed along with their best troops in the opening of the invasion.
Ukraine, while on their heels, with hand-me down Western weapons are obliterating the ruscists and their false god. That piece of the true cross aboard the Moscva being taken to the deep with its destruction is hilarious. And they keep pulling out more relics to the same effect.
Ukraine is still fighting by themselves, but Western nations sending troops are being discussed.
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Tokio Blues
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It wont happen at the scale we imagine its going to happen. Probably proxy wars in western little villages from some countries.
Not a nuclear war. Is MAD for sure. Nobody is going to risk that much.
Also almost every country in the Planet depends on each other in comercial terms.
Not a nuclear war. Is MAD for sure. Nobody is going to risk that much.
Also almost every country in the Planet depends on each other in comercial terms.
llien
Member
This is so detached from reality, it hurts to read.
So Germans were pumping battleships non-stop to fight African armadas, eh?
XIX century alone:
Napoleonic Wars 1803-1815
Crimean War: 1853-1856
Franco-Prussian War: 1870-1871
Italians fought for independence 1848-1870
Smaller wars continued non-stop.
That, not counting Ruzzki's grabbing large swaths of China in mid XIX and suffering humiliating defeat against Japan, or grabbing land from Ottoman Empire.
llien
Member
Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Netherlands provide support way above their weight.
Brits spearheaded most of the "breakthrough" weapon type deliveries.
Germany was rather lagging, but when Trumpkin was blocking US support, stepped it up, I was told by actual Ukrainian military.
Europe disarmed heavily in the post cold-war era. US did not.
TheMan
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I dunno. I used to think such a thing was unthinkable what with MAD and the globalization of markets. But with Russia's brazen invasion of Ukraine and other, ahem, events, I see how fragile the world order really is. How quickly you can go from feeling safe to wondering what the fuck is gonna happen next. And WWIII doesn't feel quite so impossible anymore, even if it is unlikely for now.
Now, once the worst consequences of global warming come to bear and humanity is running out of fresh water and food? All bets are off at that point.
Now, once the worst consequences of global warming come to bear and humanity is running out of fresh water and food? All bets are off at that point.
kurisu_1974
Member
I lived through peak cold war with actual nuclear threat. I am not impressed by what is happening today.
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Wildebeest
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The Napoleonic wars were a century before then, so it was not really in living memory, like even something as recent as world war two is not really a living memory for most people making decisions. Sure, today we have wars like Iraq/Afghan/Syria and so on. But our soft 21st century arses are not prepared for a hot world war 3. The closest major wars to the time and technology of ww1 would have been the Boer war and the Russo Japanese war, but they didn't prepare Europe emotionally and intellectually for what was coming. I hope it doesn't "hurt" you to read this.
Madserb2023
Member
Who knows.I find the psychological dance around it all bizarre. If you want to stop Russia, go to war and if not, negotiate. We are currently doing the equivalent of given weapons to Poland during WW2, not enough to actually allow them to win but to fight the Nazis for a while.
BlackTron
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This post is a little old but JFC I love you for it.
BlackTron
Member
No lessons were actually learned from WW2 unless you were a defeated country. I remember "we must never let this happen again" as a kid. What a complete joke.
Kraz
Member
One of the lessons that seems to have a bit of traction was not to appease invading fascists. "Peace in our time."
BlackTron
Member
Appears right now like we are about to do just that?
V1LÆM
Gold Member
as soon as nukes fly then yet it will be over really fucking fast but nobody is gonna drop nukes right out the door. there will be build up and actual "on the ground" fighting. infantry/air/naval etc. nukes will be a last resort. shit, we could be in the build up stage right now and could have been for the last decade....
i've always thought it'd kinda be like WW2 but it doesn't stop with the US dropping bombs on Japan. that'll just be when the real "fun" starts.
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RetroGamingUK
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Sadly, this COULD be avoided.
The US is uniquely positioned to be energy AND food independent, a very rare capability for most countries and none of the other current world major players can claim the same. The US is also in a great defensive position with oceans on almost all sides (if we kinda fold in Canada) and a southern border that could be closed quickly with any desire to do so.
We could then just kinda sit out China, India, Russia, and Europe deciding who controls what and very quickly the unequal distribution of food and energy would lead to a lot of countries collapsing and mass famine. It may still happen even if the US stays as World Police (TM) but the only real reason the US and China would fight is Chinas desire for regional control (much like Russia in Ukraine) and whether or not the US wants to deny it. China is FUCKED if they can't sort out some serious internal issues with their population.
They are expected to go from this:
to this in just 16 years
That will CRUSH them internally unless they get to having the babies and/or allow MASSIVE immigration, and who is rushing to go to CHINA?
The US and the West can avoid this situation by selective immigration of "the productive ones" and then try to culturally indoctrinate them as much as possible to preserve the local customs and language but I don't think China can do that.
Americans don’t know how lucky they are
They could go full North Korea and cut themselves off from the world and stillenjoy great resources.
In terms of geography and resources it’s almost perfect.
Even the southern border isn’t that bad, South America is nowhere near as bad as the horrors that lurk in the Eurasian continent. Europe has a frontier with all kinds of ghastly shit.
Madflavor
Member
I've listened to a lot of debate about M.A.D. and whether or not it could happen. The general idea with mutual assured destruction is that nuking is never a viable tactic, because your enemy will respond with their own nukes. Not only are you destroying each other, but the rest of the planet and civilization along with it. There is no winning in nuclear war. Only losers. When that button is pushed, the answer is death. There's no questioning how fast the enemy will respond, calculations on damage, or where does you government/military go from there. The answer is death. And all of this is the biggest safeguard against nuclear war.
However some object to this idea, because they believe we are underestimating the depths of narcissism from insane dictators. Annie Jacobson describes that it only takes one insane dictator surrounded by a bunch of Yes Men, to kill the world. It's easy for us to comprehend the horrific and longterm damages of nuclear war, why it'd be a bad thing, and why there's no winning in that scenario. But we're not thinking on the same wavelength as a narcissistic, egotistical dictator. Perhaps one who's getting older and more disillusioned. Granted there's no a big red button in every world leader's bedroom that says "Nuke" on it, and they're the ones who decide AND push the button. There's usually an order that gets passed down a chain of command. But if that happens, you can't bet on having another Stanislav Petrov save us from annihilation. We were incredibly lucky that man was on station that day.
So I guess this is all to say never say never. It could happen, and as long as nukes continue to exist, then statistically speaking it's likely inevitable.
However some object to this idea, because they believe we are underestimating the depths of narcissism from insane dictators. Annie Jacobson describes that it only takes one insane dictator surrounded by a bunch of Yes Men, to kill the world. It's easy for us to comprehend the horrific and longterm damages of nuclear war, why it'd be a bad thing, and why there's no winning in that scenario. But we're not thinking on the same wavelength as a narcissistic, egotistical dictator. Perhaps one who's getting older and more disillusioned. Granted there's no a big red button in every world leader's bedroom that says "Nuke" on it, and they're the ones who decide AND push the button. There's usually an order that gets passed down a chain of command. But if that happens, you can't bet on having another Stanislav Petrov save us from annihilation. We were incredibly lucky that man was on station that day.
So I guess this is all to say never say never. It could happen, and as long as nukes continue to exist, then statistically speaking it's likely inevitable.
Artoris
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ww3 without nukes is also possible
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