TheGoreMagala
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I don't know why Barq made me so uneasy ><
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I don't know why Barq made me so uneasy ><
Finished Grand Prix Level 7.
It's not that hard, I'll even mention what weapons I used for Max Brass and Hedlok.
I used Dragon on left hand and Chakram on right for Max Brass.
Then I used Dragon on both hands for Hedlok.
Basically, the dragon weapons are the best for zoning these guys.I think using the Guardian weapon with dragon would have helped too so that may be a hint when using Helix.
It's not that hard, I'll even mention what weapons I used for Max Brass and Hedlok.
I used Dragon on left hand and Chakram on right for Max Brass.
Then I used Dragon on both hands for Hedlok.
Basically, the dragon weapons are the best for zoning these guys.
I think Barq makes people a little off-game because they have to worry about a punch knocking them off their game. Sounds about right.
TheGoreMagala
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That sounds about right, a stray punch can do me in and that fear gets to me. With anyone else they never touch me since I only have to worry about two arms and I feel more in control
Make sure you are holding them correctly. I was pulling my hair out at first.
zenspider
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Get thumbs up grip going on and imagine playing with twin sticks. Practice how subtle motions can be to be effective.
Yeah, become POSITIVE you are holding the joycons correctly before moving on to anything else. For about the first 15 minutes I thought this game had the worst controls ever developed by man because i still had the buttons facing me.
You're working against muscle memory, but it's actually deceptively intuitive once it clicks.
You're working against muscle memory, but it's actually deceptively intuitive once it clicks.
TheGoreMagala
Member
I can confirm the final statement is true
I see. I recall it took a few weeks before gyro was widely considered superior in Splatoon.
are you using motion controls? I'm trying to learn Helix (Finally got some other arms!)
Also, my TV set is low, so I have to sit with motion controls and just rest my elbows on my knees, but after a bit I feel fatigue in my back. Been using controller just for comfort, but I feel to get my Helix game stronger I really need to get as much and as many curves going as possible.
TheGoreMagala
Member
I started using motion controls but I've been using portable mode for the longest time. Would you like some practice matches with me?
You know, if Helix really is as evasive as Gore makes him seem, that's basically a 10-0 matchup against Master Mummy. Mummy relies on reads and going through your attacks and grabs to get damage. You can't do that against Helix because attacking through his grab/attacks still allows him time to dodge.
If this is truly the case, Helix needs nerfs asap.
As Master Mummy you don't need to be mobile. That's not how he plays. You should basically be standing still and healing up. If the opponent attacks you use a Megaton to stop the attack and punish. If they try to grab you, you punch through the grab. Sometimes you have to read the grab is coming and preemptively punch.
Theoretically a good Master Mummy shouldn't have to move all match.
Okay... now I want to go into Party Match with Mummy... but he fails hard in 1v1v1 or 2v2.
I just went into Versus to do some testing. I could not duplicate your aerial movement mid-throw. If I did a throw in the air or in tower mode (that's what I'm calling it!) all I could do was a very small hop in either direction about halfway through the throw animation. You were doing a full air dash/jump out of it. How is that possible?
Also, I'm US West, so there may actually be some lag involved. I can't imagine this game has better net code than Tekken 7 and I'm 3 bars (out of 5) with coasters in that game.
Ice doesn't open up the opponent though. All ice does is slow them down. If they have good defense that doesn't result in anything free.
I get 4 Arms from 30 on average with my high being 6 Arms I believe.
It toggles your ranked match search.
As soon as you block an Arm dash forward. Be careful because I've definitely dashed too early and just took the hits to the face.
Just tested this. It "seems" as though all Arms have the same recovery time in terms of how soon you can move after throwing the Arm out there. Obviously the heavier the Arm the longer it takes to return and the longer your movement is hampered, but you can initially move at the same point no matter which Arm you're using.
Also, Crackers and Poppers are the same speed.
If this is truly the case, Helix needs nerfs asap.
As Master Mummy you don't need to be mobile. That's not how he plays. You should basically be standing still and healing up. If the opponent attacks you use a Megaton to stop the attack and punish. If they try to grab you, you punch through the grab. Sometimes you have to read the grab is coming and preemptively punch.
Theoretically a good Master Mummy shouldn't have to move all match.
Okay... now I want to go into Party Match with Mummy... but he fails hard in 1v1v1 or 2v2.
I just went into Versus to do some testing. I could not duplicate your aerial movement mid-throw. If I did a throw in the air or in tower mode (that's what I'm calling it!) all I could do was a very small hop in either direction about halfway through the throw animation. You were doing a full air dash/jump out of it. How is that possible?
Also, I'm US West, so there may actually be some lag involved. I can't imagine this game has better net code than Tekken 7 and I'm 3 bars (out of 5) with coasters in that game.
Ice doesn't open up the opponent though. All ice does is slow them down. If they have good defense that doesn't result in anything free.
I get 4 Arms from 30 on average with my high being 6 Arms I believe.
It toggles your ranked match search.
As soon as you block an Arm dash forward. Be careful because I've definitely dashed too early and just took the hits to the face.
Just tested this. It "seems" as though all Arms have the same recovery time in terms of how soon you can move after throwing the Arm out there. Obviously the heavier the Arm the longer it takes to return and the longer your movement is hampered, but you can initially move at the same point no matter which Arm you're using.
Also, Crackers and Poppers are the same speed.
Button remapping makes traditional controls superior?
TheGoreMagala
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Sorry major
TheGoreMagala
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The maneuver I did is pretty advanced and tough to execute I would say. I have to be in the air moving a direction, punching or throwing and have someone cancel it. You down for more 1v1?
You can host if you'd like
Sorry for double post
SolicitorPirate
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Oooh boy, this game is kicking my ass.
I did really well in the first test punch, but otherwise didn't play the game until release, and it's like everything I learned in the test punch was wrong
I did really well in the first test punch, but otherwise didn't play the game until release, and it's like everything I learned in the test punch was wrong
I didn't cancel your throw. I dodged it.
I'm just playing Ranked for a few then I'm off.
Usually you don't really need to aim, you just need to fine tune. The Arm will move toward the opponent, but if the opponent is moving you need to adjust for that.
TheGoreMagala
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I'm not sure then. I don't really think about it. When I want to dash in the air it just happens, sometimes infinitely. It's hard to explain.
I don't know if anyone else has discovered this, but if you are having a difficult time in Grand Prix, here's a way to slightly cheese it:
I only did it because I was tired of level 5 Hedlock and didn't want to abandon everything up until then.
When you save and quit, it'll start you back in the the same numbered round as long as you didn't move on to the next round. Once you've won a round, you can use this trick on the next round until you get a win.
I only did it because I was tired of level 5 Hedlock and didn't want to abandon everything up until then.
My fucking slapamander never ever gets close to fucking hitting. Even if he's just standing there it goes off to the side like a fucking piece of shit.
TheGoreMagala
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Anyone want to 1v1 me for practice? I've been told that going against me really shows your blind spots 
Completely disagree on mummy.
A good mummy would not sit still
Punching through other arms, and through throws is indeed part of the strategy, but a good mummy would be also mobile, get close, and not let the opponent breathe
We can't tell is what I mean- if all the buttons were remappable there might (or still might not) be a clearly and obviously superior scheme found through trial and error, but we can only compare the locked mappings on each scheme instead.
I haven't even tried them myself but I have heard that the Guard function can be a bit uncomfortable with traditional controls.
Yes yes, we've heard you the first hundred times along with multiple mentions that you couldn't possibly continue playing the game.
In party match sometimes you get a bonus to start with full meter.
TheGoreMagala
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The slap a mander is aimed before you punch, not after. If using traditional controls, you need to move the left stick forward, left, right, diagonal, or back before you throw in order for it to obey. If using motion, same applies, but using your wrist. A wrist punch upwards is a high punch, diagonal wrist rightward and up will have it move right and curve tightly, wrist horizontal causes a super wide curve.
I just went on a 5 game losing streak so my salt levels are at dangerous levels.
Sure. Why not. I could use a brain aneurysm.
If you suck and lose a bunch it's a handicap boost. If you do well you start getting into matches where you start with portions of your health gone.
That said, fuck 1v1v1. I try to toggle targets to ensure my opponents all have equal health - especially if one fucker is trying to just hide and hang back.
I just had a match with 2 ribbon girls that just decide to team up against me as Helix. Like, one clearly just let the other hang back and just set themselves up to lose since they both tried to get me and I got one of them to half life. FUCK OFF!
I'm going to have a stroke tonight.
TheGoreMagala
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There's absolutely some really dumb lag in this game. Sometimes it's more clear than others but I can't replicate a lot of the dodging I see online when I try to practice it offline.
If your attack is canceled or hits your air abilities are reset. My guess is that there's enough lag that my counter punch read as interrupting your throw, resetting your movements so you could air dodge.
Well yeah a Mummy isn't going to just stand there. I'm just saying Mummy isn't designed to go toe-to-toe with the more mobile characters.
Then block me dude. I'm discussing the game. Contribute to the conversation or ignore it. Your choice.
If your attack is canceled or hits your air abilities are reset. My guess is that there's enough lag that my counter punch read as interrupting your throw, resetting your movements so you could air dodge.
Well yeah a Mummy isn't going to just stand there. I'm just saying Mummy isn't designed to go toe-to-toe with the more mobile characters.
Then block me dude. I'm discussing the game. Contribute to the conversation or ignore it. Your choice.
Sent. I'll be playing handheld.
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Keep the chatter coming.
I didn't love the test punch. And am not usually a fighting game fan.
But something about this intrigues me.
I hope to see the ARMS team update the game. If I see some continued support, added SP content, and some tweaks made to balance I may consider to pick up.
I didn't love the test punch. And am not usually a fighting game fan.
But something about this intrigues me.
I hope to see the ARMS team update the game. If I see some continued support, added SP content, and some tweaks made to balance I may consider to pick up.
that is exactly why its the perfect arms for me and I'm using traditional controls rocking a slamamander and slapmander!