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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
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The Silver
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Who takes the worse Ls, Barry or Ollie.
Both suck ass at anything having to do with relationships. Barry keeps getting betrayed by every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Jane he comes across, got paraded around Central City like a freshly caught fish after Zoom beat that ass and went to another universe and saw how much his life sucks in comparison to his double's.(he also managed to almost completely ruin his double's life)
Ollie, unemployed, family company is owned by the chick that left him. Has a kid he can't see anymore, had both exes talking shit about him in front of his face, got hit with that Superman level dramatic irony when Felicity literally walked away, had a goddamn mock wedding with said Felicity and was once again told he aint shit, his real wife is a lesbian, HIS PARENTS ARE DEAD.(Barry's mom is dead but it only counts if both parents are gone)
Both suck ass at anything having to do with relationships. Barry keeps getting betrayed by every Tom, Dick, Harry, and Jane he comes across, got paraded around Central City like a freshly caught fish after Zoom beat that ass and went to another universe and saw how much his life sucks in comparison to his double's.(he also managed to almost completely ruin his double's life)
Ollie, unemployed, family company is owned by the chick that left him. Has a kid he can't see anymore, had both exes talking shit about him in front of his face, got hit with that Superman level dramatic irony when Felicity literally walked away, had a goddamn mock wedding with said Felicity and was once again told he aint shit, his real wife is a lesbian, HIS PARENTS ARE DEAD.(Barry's mom is dead but it only counts if both parents are gone)
Oliver can still get shit done, including without a team. Arguably he's more competent without one.
Barry is just awful at everything, but with a more pleasant demeanour.
The episode was okay.
Positives:
Thea knowing/following all the celebrity couples was pretty cute.
Cupid kidnapping and murdering celebrity couples was such a cartoon villain thing to do and I loved it. Keep bringing her back! Maybe team up with Anarky.
Negatives:
The trial of Dami...ZZZZZzzz
Felicity drama obviously, but her being all peppy about moving out made me actually angry.
Flashbacks:
Are we still doing these?
Some eps of S3 were worse. Don't make me dig around to find them.
Positives:
Thea knowing/following all the celebrity couples was pretty cute.
Cupid kidnapping and murdering celebrity couples was such a cartoon villain thing to do and I loved it. Keep bringing her back! Maybe team up with Anarky.
Negatives:
The trial of Dami...ZZZZZzzz
Felicity drama obviously, but her being all peppy about moving out made me actually angry.
Flashbacks:
Are we still doing these?
Some eps of S3 were worse. Don't make me dig around to find them.
Arrow being redundant? Whaaaaaat?
evil solrac v3.0
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how about any time chesthair says "baby" or "my baby"
Supergirl has been the best DC show this year(haven't seen Gotham so by default it's #2)
Flash has fallen off a tiny bit, Legends has been boring and aimless and Arrow.... no. I still enjoy Laurel and Darkh has been fun, but it's the worst.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I'm watching the episode right now, but I just realized that if Felicity calls off the wedding, good etiquette dictates that she return Curtis' gift. 🙊🙈
Se7enSword
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Felicity is so unreasonable. :/
A bee-stly preview!
A bee-stly preview!
Miss Manners strikes again.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
When the writers said they wanted a more light-hearted tone, maybe they meant in the second half of the season? Lol. Getting Cupid and
episodes back to back seems a bit reactionary. Like maybe it wasn't fun enough, so throw some sillier villains out there. I don't mind.
Bug Eyed Bandit
Considering Flash is pretty high on my pedestal, Gotham and Supergirl is better? Maybe I should check those show out. I remember not being too impressed with Supergirl pilot. Also, why not go all the way. Where would Daredevil, agents of shield/carter fall under?
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I liked this episode. I didn't expect to after reading the reviews and fan reactions, but I thought everything was handled surprisingly well. The fake wedding made sense and was actually a good plan to lure Cupid. Thea had some pretty funny lines, and it was wonderful to see Laurel as a district attorney again.
Even the relationship drama was subdued. We got a glimpse of how things would go if they broke up, but obviously they both have lingering feelings so there are compelling reasons for them to be together.
Oh, and the limo chase was pretty cool. Good stunt with Thea jumping from the motorcycle to the limo.
Even the relationship drama was subdued. We got a glimpse of how things would go if they broke up, but obviously they both have lingering feelings so there are compelling reasons for them to be together.
Oh, and the limo chase was pretty cool. Good stunt with Thea jumping from the motorcycle to the limo.
Napoleonthechimp
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Stephen Amell's hushed line delivery is so aggravating.
Supermanisdead
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this show is aggressively boring at this point. i guess i'll finish out the season but unless something great happens before the finale, i'm bowing out next season. i've already given up on legends of tomorrow and about to call it quits with supergirl.
You know; I've defended this show enough in the past but now I think you may be right.
It's not doing it for me anymore which is a shame.
The first Season of Gotham was okay. It got better at the end, but the first season alone is definitly not better than Flash. The second season however is completely killing it. It's unbelievable how good this show became.
Supergirl I also found rather boring at the beginning. Starting with episode 7, the show became consistently good and much better than the first episodes. I still have to watch 16 and 17, but it definitly does get better.
The newest Arrow episode was really boring. God, why?
Plasticine
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The Arrow writers tackling a trial sure was something. I wonder if this leads to the HIVE assassinating Laurel. Personally, I'd prefer it if Laurel died falling down the steps or something. But whatever gets the job done, I guess.
Freddy=Legend
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It's Arrow's version of Barry's "I need to go faster" speech we get every week.
Dubbedinenglish
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The quick shots of Diggle driving the van in helmet look hilarious.
Drama saves the day! Ugh the relationship garbage is focal point now not Dahrk, not crime fighting, not the Arrow team. It's just so....bland and Felicity crying voice has to be the absolute worst acting in the show with attempted puppy dog eyes Ollie a close second.
Drama saves the day! Ugh the relationship garbage is focal point now not Dahrk, not crime fighting, not the Arrow team. It's just so....bland and Felicity crying voice has to be the absolute worst acting in the show with attempted puppy dog eyes Ollie a close second.
Well, I for one can't wait for the Arrow S5 thread where the feedback is cut in half but people are having fun again. That or kill the thread entirely. At this point I'd take that over another fucking year of 'I HATE OLICITY' every fucking week.
i stuck it out with s3 but at this point the show is so meandering and pointless it's a real waste of time
even when it's on i'm barely watching at this point
dead souls
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Yes. It's easily the worst of the comic book shows I watch.
Arrow is by far the worst DC show.
Gotham is still the best, with Supergirl and Flash tied second.
First few episodes are pretty rusty but it's been getting better with each episode. When a certain character gets revealed, oh man.
dead souls
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Supergirl has improved a lot but it's still miles from being a consistently good show.
TheCowboyPoet
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Would it be fair to say that realization made you feel...... stupid?
Fixed that for you
Not entirely sure about the whole order, but Gotham has indeed been excellent this year. The last batch of episodes is so damn good. The more that shows grows the happier I am there's no Batman in it. This allows the best thing about this IP, which is city and villains, to grow and be explored in ways that would be impossible with Batsy stealing the spotlight.
So you like Lucifer? I haven't watched it yet. Not because I've heard awful things but just because I haven't gotten around to it.
BrokenFiction
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Lucifer is a fun show, largely on the strength of the performance of Tom Ellis, who is amazing as Morningstar. The first several episodes were a straight up police procedural, with one mystery arc, which wore thin but the last couple they've introduced several subplots that are bolstering the show quite a bit.
KonradLaw
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Yeah. It's been really fun and it's getting better and better. Plus Elis is absolutely stunning in that role.
I'm not sure if it's actually better than Gotham, since I generally love magical side of DC more than anything else in american comics, so it might just be my preference, but it's been consistently good, extremely funny, with lead character who you can see slowly changing as a person and with long arc slowly getting stronger and stronger.
Plus it's beautifully shot. Second only to Gotham as far as visuals in network tv go and both easily reign over anything else in comic tv shows category
BrokenFiction
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I wish someone could explain the technical reasons why the cinematography looks so much better on Gotham and Lucifer vs. Arrow/Flash/LoT. IMDB doesn't have a lot of info on technical specs.
Arrow, Flash and Legends have much lower budgets.
Appreciate the feedback. I'll try to fit it in sooner rather than later. First things first, I have to see Batman v Superman tonight. The last few days have put such a question mark in my head about it but I'm excited and hopeful.
BrokenFiction
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Doesn't explain the camera, lenses, source format, video transfer, etc.
Well, yes, to an extent it does. They can't afford the same quality of camera, lighting and crew as the other shows. I'm not sure about Gotham's directors or production schedule but that could take part. CW shows are also very effects heavy and shoot to make it as easy on the VFX team as possible. They're also shot in Vancouver which has a very respectable production community but still not on par with NY or LA. Less money, resources and time equaling lower quality is pretty common in filming.
True as this is, it does make me laugh that Daredevil has a higher budget and yet the cinematography/lighting is horrendous at points. TV lighting is weird as fuck sometimes. Same thing with Angel during the day, Angel S5 had one episode with a werewolf that was incomprehensible visually at points.
For all their faults, I can usually see what's happening on Arrow in the fight scenes. That's a plus for the show.
Simple answer?
CoSA works on Gotham and Agents of Shield. But they don't work on The Flash and Arrow. Read how much visual effects work goes into a single episode of Gotham.
Longer answer?
The people who work in Gotham's art department have worked on major films like The Avengers, Ant Man, Shutter Island, Catch Me if You Can,
Some of the people who work on the visual effects for the show have worked on movies like Guardians of the Galaxy and Mad Max: Fury Road.
BrokenFiction
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Wow, I cannot agree with this at all. DD is very easy for me to see, whereas Arrow looks like a mess outside of the episode that James Bamford directed.
BrokenFiction
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Thank you! This is a great article.
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