-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
- Thread starter ZeroX03
- Start date
- Status
KonradLaw
Member
Daredevil is fun, but it's terribly uneven tonally. Gritty Punisher clases like hell even with Daredevil himself and when ninjas start to come in it kind of falls apart tonally.
Say what you want, but Gotham handled ninjas (well..monks, but same deal) the best. Dudes were pathetic and got shot down to pieces by policemen.
Say what you want, but Gotham handled ninjas (well..monks, but same deal) the best. Dudes were pathetic and got shot down to pieces by policemen.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Not the show's fault if you can't pay attention
No, no, there was Elektra, and she did spinkicks and stuff, but Punisher had the only complete character arc of the season and I'm pretty sure that makes him the main character...
King Gilga
Member
Daredevil S2 had some major issues, the whole hand and black sky thing was dumb as fuck and was a real let down.
But either way it was still far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far better than the likes of flash or especially arrow could ever be.
But either way it was still far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far better than the likes of flash or especially arrow could ever be.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Gotham tho
Poodlestrike
Banned
Flash season 1 was better. So was Arrow season 2.
Gotham. GOAT tier stuff in season 2.
I choose to ignore your sarcasm
Ragnarsson
Member
I was starting to enjoy this show once again, but the recent Olicity drama has made it borderline unwatchable. How did they manage to ruin a beloved character (Felicity) so much?
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
Yeah, the writing for Daredevil is a huge step above any of the CW comic shows. Biggest strike against Arrow or Flash for me is they always stick to their formula, like almost always. Lots of shows do, but they almost never deviate from it. You have the occasional episode that moves the season lone arc forward, those are a little different, but otherwise they operate with the same beats. They have more episodes to produce and that'll happen, but it would be nice to see either one try something new. They don't have to do
Introduce Villain
Hero meets Villain but they escape
(Commercial break)
Hero meets with team and talks about plan/personal drama
(Commercial break)
Final fight with Villain
Every week. I think it's just their intent since it's broadcast and they don't want new viewers to be confused, so episodes are a neat little bubbles where anything serialized can be summarized in 15 seconds before the next episode, so things tend to play out exactly the same week to week.
Gotham plays out like a lot of other shows, but they do break away from that formula from to time to time. They've embraced doing these mini arcs where we get a villain for 2-3 episodes, which I appreciate. Flash and Arrow bore me sometimes because I can call out the exact story beats and there are no surprises. To Gotham's credit, I can't do that all the time on that show since it doesn't always end in the same place.
KonradLaw
Member
Oh. I love Gotham. But I wouldn't say it's grade A. It is however easily the most comicbooky show on tv. I mean holy crap. Everything, from the setting, to characters, dialogues and ending with how the plot moves.
It's funny, because they're not adapting anything specific and yet they've achieved pitch perfect translation of unique comicbook style superhero comics have
King Gilga
Member
Good joke, but try not to be so bait.
KonradLaw
Member
Yeah. But DD suffers the same fate season wide. A terrible danger is revealed, Stick shows near the 2/3 of the season and ultimatelly Matt stops the danger and we're back to square one.
Daredevil generally handles it better than Arrow/Flash, but it's writers seem completely paralyzed by fear of changing status quo. Some details might change, but ultimatelly DD's success ends up being about stopping anything changing. Gotham is much more dynamic in it's setting and Arrow impressed the hell out of me in S1 when they allowed the hero to fail in stopping villain's plan.
I wonder if it's because DD has to worry about other Netflix shows and because of that can't really change setting too much.
Plus for all the better writing, the whole Hand arc was pure diseaster writing wise. Barely explained, utterly terrible villain with nonsensical behaviour and incredibly underwhelming ending. Thank God for Elektra, as she salvaged that wreck. DD is definitely the most ambitous superhero show, but so many of it elements and up failing
brotkasten
Member
I'm trying to see the Felicity scenes as the sitcom bits with a missing laugh track. It works much better that way.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
Because she went from being Cisco to Lana Lite.
I think so, but a lot of Gaffers wouldn't agree. I think the first half of the season is certainly worthwhile.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
I think it is worth it if you plow through it quickly. I feel that if I had season 3 all at once to rush through in a few sittings I wouldn't feel so annoyed about the season because waiting for the next episode gave me time to think of my problems with the show.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
Chesthair's filming the intro to a Wozzly post:
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialPa...1286136415883/489608867916940/?type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/OfficialPa...1286136415883/489608867916940/?type=2&theater
BewareTheBatsie
Member
Lance confirmed to die and Dinah to pick up the sloppy seconds.
It's about the same as always
Just got that post Daredevil binge effect still fresh
I thought Gotham was the worst TV show by a mile last year, but I prefer watching it this year over Arrow/Legends/Supergirl.
KonradLaw
Member
Yeah, I've watched first three season in marathon and S3 didn't seem like anywhere near the diseaster it's considered as here.
It was an echo chamber where everyone wanted to outdo the others.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
I don't imagine Season 3 is that bad if you binge watched it. My biggest issue was how the backhalf of the season sorta went in circles, which isn't fun to experience week to week. But if you can automatically go to the next episode, it probably helps that pacing out a bit. The flashbacks are a complete snooze fest, but they don't last that long.
I think it's worth watching. A lot of the more prominent elements that are carried over into this season are from Season 3.
I think it's worth watching. A lot of the more prominent elements that are carried over into this season are from Season 3.
I think I'm done with this show once this season ends. It's just the same old every single episode and seems to be getting worse the longer it goes on. The Olicity drama especially is a load of shit. It's just the exact same nonsense over and over and over again.
Flash is still great though so hopefully it doesn't spread to that show.
Flash is still great though so hopefully it doesn't spread to that show.
The Silver
Member
S1 Gotham is pretty shit compared to S2.
on another note, is it bad that I'm hoping they dig deeper into Olicity just to see how bad the outrage can get? reddit going up flames is hilarious. I think my hate watching of WWE is starting to infect me.
what makes S2 good?
i want more bat stuff in my life, but adding 30+ hours of tv to my backlog is a lot
KonradLaw
Member
A lot crazier stories. Becomes fully serialized. Bruce's storylines start to kick-ass and become more directly tied to main plot. Nygma becomes awesome too.
Yep. Bingewatching helps a lot. Oliver and Felicity were the low points for me. Thea, Laurel, Ray and Roy were high points.
S1 was a police procedural (One & Done Episodes) set in Gotham with the main focus on the various Mafia Crime Families.
S2 is fully serialized (Continues Story Arcs), they ditched the Mafia, in favor of villains, and the Bruce Wayne in S2 is a huge improvement. Now it feels like this Bruce Wayne will become Batman someday.
Basically, Gotham S2 feels like a Batman show, instead of a show set in Gotham.
brotkasten
Member
You can skip season 1 entirely and just go straight into season 2. You're not going to miss anything significant, as long as you know who the Penguin is. It's like a fresh start.
Ben Morales
Member
Yup! Although... Mild S1 spoiler:
Barbara's arc is something to behold. It's amazing.
Pretty much this.
I fully recommend people skipping season 1 if they didn't like it and give season 2 a shot.
Season 1 was a police procedural + mafia show. Season 2 is just insane, lol
Jorok Goldblade
Member
He also could have said:
Thea Queen was romantically involved with Roy Harper, who the public believes was the Arrowr. This is likely a matter of public record. Because of this, the Green Arrow thought she was trustworthy enough to bring in on the sting, and her delinquent youth meant she had the connections to procure the bait.
elediggle
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
There are a couple good multi ep arks worth watching as well the Barbara arc at the end of the season. The Falcone plot at the end sets up some of the landscape for S2 as well.
That would get Thea in problems, as it would make it noticeable she looks a lot like the other hero running around.
Rodney McKay
Member
Damn, that closing statement about the show was so good, haha.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
"Hey guys! You sure you don't mind if I strut around and check that body?"
"Nah, we cool"
"Nice"
"Nah, we cool"
"Nice"
"Hey guys! You sure you don't mind if I strut around and check that body?"
"Nah, we cool"
"Nice"
Batman does it. Superman does it. Why can't Green Arrow?
I mean it was fine but it seemed a little too casual for the first time they showed it on screen. Should've felt like it was a big deal, like the cops part way for him cause they know he'll get shit done or something and they trust the Green Arrow. The thing is maybe I don't think the show made it feel earned that the city is fine with the Green Arrow after the Arrow vigilante thing for the past couple of years."Hey guys! You sure you don't mind if I strut around and check that body?"
"Nah, we cool"
"Nice"
KonradLaw
Member
I think generally most people loved Arrow and didn't mind he was murdering people left and right
So a new dude like that is no problem They clearly hate Olicity.
https://www.facebook.com/stephenamell/videos/vb.146921975393078/1027691593982774/?type=2&theater
https://www.facebook.com/stephenamell/videos/vb.146921975393078/1027691593982774/?type=2&theater
Ben Morales
Member
- Status