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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
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Fantastic. There's the door, stop shitting up the Arrow thread.
"The writers are doing everything fans have been wishing for for years. How stupid can they be?"
WrenchNinja
Member
Fuck this shitty show
That's discouraging. Not sure I feel how about not having a general plan for who is in the grave.
brotkasten
Member
Finally getting around to watch last weeks episode.
I can't believe I get to say this, but the opening was actually fun! It was actually a little light-hearted and just the right amount for a show like this. "There are movies?"
Man, I hope this is a sign of things to come for the rest of the episode.
e: And here comes momma Smoak to ruin the rest of the episode. Oh well. It was fun, while it lasted!
e2: Good scene between Laurel and Oliver!
I can't believe I get to say this, but the opening was actually fun! It was actually a little light-hearted and just the right amount for a show like this. "There are movies?"
Man, I hope this is a sign of things to come for the rest of the episode.
e: And here comes momma Smoak to ruin the rest of the episode. Oh well. It was fun, while it lasted!
e2: Good scene between Laurel and Oliver!
PHOENIXZERO
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So I'm back from my "vacation" caused by a post I should've added a /s to to make it more obvious that it was tongue in cheek but anyway I digress...
So yeah, if what seems to be the case with the grave actually tuns out to be true I'm probably done after this season ends but that combined with their likely not killing off Malcolm despite how badly he needs to die on top of all the other bullshit is just too much for me to tolerate anymore.
Can't wait for the damage control stories Guggie, Wendy and the writers will be sharing/RT on Twitter when they go live
So yeah, if what seems to be the case with the grave actually tuns out to be true I'm probably done after this season ends but that combined with their likely not killing off Malcolm despite how badly he needs to die on top of all the other bullshit is just too much for me to tolerate anymore.
Can't wait for the damage control stories Guggie, Wendy and the writers will be sharing/RT on Twitter when they go live
after tomorrow's episode, if not right after it happens.
Jorok Goldblade
Member
The decision to kill anyone is the problematic one.
Comics aside,
Laurel
Not really seeing the problem here.
The writers have never been particularly good about using
her
she
Hell,
Sara is closer.
Claude Augario
Member
It's really amazing to think all these debates about who we thought was in the grave and the whole time the writers were reading GAF wondering the same thing.
brotkasten
Member
Caught up with the spoilers
and maaaaan. Really? After the progress that character went through, the good scenes they bothered to give her lately? Really? I'm all for shrinking the main cast, but killing off characters like that feels weak. The fact that they didn't even plan this from day one makes this feel even worse.
I mean I know that things change in TV stuff as time goes on and not everything has to be planned, but seriously???
Discotheque
Banned
lol. not surprised by this at all. had a feeling they really didn't know what they wanted on the grave for a while. worst of the DC shows by far tbh, haven't seen much of supergirl but surely it aint as bad as this has gotten.
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Breaking Bad got away with this (save season 2) because of good writing......Arrow however, ugh.
Not that plenty of shows don't also do this, but at least lie about it!
brotkasten
Member
As much as I like Supergirl, it's far from a must-see show. But it recognizes it's flaws, tries to correct them and usually gets better as the season progresses. There are still some stinker episodes here and there, but every show with a long season suffers from this. It's generally enjoyable, if you like more upbeat stuff. But if you get to episode 7 or 8 and still don't enjoy it, then it's not for you, which is absolutely fine.
kylecoley182
Banned
nope
That's not how you write one of these arcs guys.
Also Bleeding Cool - who aren't the most reliable but accurately predicted
Merlyn getting a robotic hand
potentially going to take up the Canary mantle, because we need another one
Sara has always been where it's at
The show has become someone else. It has become something else.
Fixed for ultimate trigger effect
SpideySenses
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Out of curiosity, if it wasn't you-know-who being killed, who would you have picked keeping in mind that it's been teased for a long time, so should be a satisfactory death and that you don't want to lose someone who'll leave a massive hole in the show going forward.
I'm kind of shocked about the reaction here, I feel like who they've picked fits the bill best for both criteria, only way I can rationalise the reaction is Felicity hate but we've known it wasn't her a long time, so I'd think we'd be over it.
I'm kind of shocked about the reaction here, I feel like who they've picked fits the bill best for both criteria, only way I can rationalise the reaction is Felicity hate but we've known it wasn't her a long time, so I'd think we'd be over it.
Chesthair would have been a more symbolic and meaningful death that doesn't completely shit on a character's legacy. This season was about redemption, a new start. Ollie is the hero the city finally needs, and even this scene is something that could be used to strengthen their relationship across the season. Instead Chesthair gets sidelined to dating Felicity's mom instead of creating good character moments between him and Ollie or doing anything useful at all.
Considering who we have running the show it can be easily believed that they are even killing Laurel off partially for shippers.
Considering who we have running the show it can be easily believed that they are even killing Laurel off partially for shippers.
they probably could have killed
__Thea__
Chesthair
Septimus Prime
Member
Just bring it more of Felicity's family to replace whomever dies. Simple.
PHOENIXZERO
Member
Either
Chesthair
Diggle
Chesthair was sticking around because they've paired him up with Felicity's mother to continue the Felicity/Olicity fan service that seems to be the primary interest of the people in charge
of Felicity's mom that I wish it was her and if we needed to kill off yet another female character for drama, it ought to be her, at least it's not yet another Lance sister death
The Outsider
Member
Laurel is really the only character on the show where it really doesn't make any sense to me to kill her off at this point in the story. Thea could go if you want to bring closure to the Malcolm arc, but killing her is redundant. Diggle could go to bring closure to the HIVE storyline with his brother. Felicity could go because fuck Felicity, and we already have Curtis as a replacement. Chesthair could go because he's the easy candidate that doesn't really fuck up the main team. Laurel is really the only one still at the beginning of her character arc. She finally becomes the Black Canary only for her to get unceremoniously killed off? Fuck off that with shit.
I know the writers/showrunners have been absolute garbage for two seasons now, but I didn't think they had it in them to bring it down this far.
I'm not ready to say that I'll be done with the show if this plays out as expected, but I'm pretty damn close to drawing the line if they don't play it in a way that convinces me.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Unfortunately for
they
character too quickly and something drastic would have to be done to
again.
And if they did that, there would be people calling them hacks for it as well.
The arc of
should have only begun this season at the earliest. It makes
only choices that fixes some problems the show has but doesn't necessarily dramatically affect
Early reviews of the episode have been positive, so we'll have to wait and see.
Laurel,
developed her
reset her
And if they did that, there would be people calling them hacks for it as well.
The arc of
her becoming a hero
her one of the
the core team.
Early reviews of the episode have been positive, so we'll have to wait and see.
SpideySenses
Member
OK, I can see Lance as as good a candidate, though personally I like his dynamic with Oliver and feel like he has a good unique place in the group. But certainly a big death and not someone who would hurt the show.
Can't understand the Diggle talk though, he's underutilised but he'd absolutely leave a big hole.
Can't understand the Diggle talk though, he's underutilised but he'd absolutely leave a big hole.
Wowzers, that is unfortunate.
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
I thought I at least somewhat explained what I meant, but I'll try again. The problem
her character has is that she doesn't have anywhere else to go as a character. She's already shown to be close to Oliver's level as a fighter and her life is pretty good. Diggle and Thea are somewhat the same, but Thea dying would dramatically affect Oliver. He would never be able to rebound from that. Diggle would affect Oliver the same way as Laurel, but he opens up a slightly bigger world with his history of being a soldier and his wife being the head of a covert government organization. Laurel only opens up lawyer stories.
Plus, in terms of dynamics she is again, basically another Diggle or Thea. Even Detective Lance has a different dynamic with Oliver and the team.
So, again, her problem is that she became a hero too soon. If she had that direction to still go, then we'd have a character who can offer unique story possibilities. She is one of the only characters that can possibly fix some of the problems the show has.
Which pains me to say, because I like the character.
Plus, in terms of dynamics she is again, basically another Diggle or Thea. Even Detective Lance has a different dynamic with Oliver and the team.
So, again, her problem is that she became a hero too soon. If she had that direction to still go, then we'd have a character who can offer unique story possibilities. She is one of the only characters that can possibly fix some of the problems the show has.
Which pains me to say, because I like the character.
Oh that interview definitely confirms it.
Which means make sure to keep the name & discussion spoiler tagged folks.
So before this place descends into a Civil War, let's start taking new OT title suggestions?
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Poodlestrike
Banned
My pick.
kylecoley182
Banned
Oliver we must go back... to the past !
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They don't give a fuck anymore.
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