Septimus Prime
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I don't know what you guys are all smoking. Felicity was always a garbage character. Even in early seasons, she wss just the typical magical IT wiz that we see on so many other shows.
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Arrow Season 4 |OT| A Tale of Salt and Fire
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Jorok Goldblade
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She brought some levity to a show about Ollie, Diggle, Moira and Lance scowling at each other while Laurel, Thea and Tommy whined a lot.
She was part of the trinity of actually charasmatic characters alongside Malcolm and Slade.
She was the Cisco. Now she's one of the whiners.
Poodlestrike
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Yeah, I remember this place being really up on Felicity, and not just 'cause of the dresses. Even "bitch with Wi-Fi" was well received at the time. Things started souring partway through the second season, really.
Napoleonthechimp
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I took a look at twitter.
The Olicity fans get me so fucking angry. This fucking show... God damn do I now loathe it.
The Olicity fans get me so fucking angry. This fucking show... God damn do I now loathe it.
She was great as a bit character, too bad shippers pushed her to be the top star of the show
Jorok Goldblade
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Imagine somebody telling us during season one that fans have turned on Felicity but generally like McSlurry. The thread would go nuts.
By "fans" you mean "Gaffers" and "Redditors".
Teenage girls like me are all about Felicity!
But teenage girls also love Jay and Zoom
brotkasten
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Jay is also much hotter than the old dude from last season. Better character, too.
bearythebear
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All this quitting Arrow melodrama feels like an internet meme at some point. Especially on reddit...
RIP Canary...
Dat animation
Poodlestrike
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Bruce Timm is a dirty old man tbh
PHOENIXZERO
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You haven't truly experienced it until you say something negative about the show and their ship only to have them bombard your Twitter with either arguing (and accusing you of being a hater who should stop watching) or bombing Twitter with reports of your account.
RellyRell28
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So the salt's still here and strong lol
Legitimate gripes with creative decisions and the show =/= salt
dead souls
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Maybe, but the thread seems pretty salty to me.
Should we not be upset that a legitimately good character who got sidelined for relationship drama gets killed for no reason aside from the shock value and a terrible plot device the writers had to commit to?
RellyRell28
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Sound like salt to me. All this shit you seem to have a problem with is nowhere near a big deal to me so yeah still a lot of salt here. Hell the OT title even says it. I myself don't like the death but after that article was posted with the writers I absolutely respect it. Remember they give zero fucks about your comic book cannon and I'm okay with that.
Shit like this is upsetting. What's the point of just dropping in the thread going "lol you comic book nerds none of this matters to me so stay salty"
You're not the first person to drop in like that either. What exactly is the point of posting about how upset others are and just calling them salty and writing off their gripes?
MHWilliams
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Thread title will remain until morale improves!
Lana on Smallville. Chloe was the better choice. Why? Because she wasn't the main love interest, so the showrunners kept her out of the shenanigans.
Again, many here may have not watched The WB/CW shows before. If one of the main cast is the primary love interest, the showrunners tend to go through a ton of nonsense to keep the drama up. The transition from Laurel working to not working? The rise of Felicity as "the" love interest. Laurel gets better as the show focuses less on her.
If Patty joined Flash full time on they finally committed to Iris, you'd see the same thing.
Claude Augario
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I'd like to think the Smallville writers were like this with Lana considering that character's "evolution." I wasn't around GAF back then but I can't imagine the Smallville threads being shat up with "LOL SALT" spam in response to legitimate criticism after Lana emotionally castrated Clark (repeatedly).
RellyRell28
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To be honest I'd would be in here watching the episodes with you as I have in the past. However I get off work at 7ct which is when it airs so as soon as I get home I watch it on my dvr which never really catches up cause I get home like 20 mins later. So yeah I don't just drop in the thread like you think I do as I've been posting here since season 1. The main reason I get you people about your reactions is because simply this. Why in the fuck do you still watch the show? I mean the way you guys talk about how bad it is(it's not really but that's how y'all feel) you guys should just move on to another show. Hell they basically said "Fuck You" and killed off a Justice League member which pissed a lot of you guys off so why do you guys keep doing this to yourself on a weekly basis. Lol at the comic book nerds reference though it's like you didn't read that I said that I didn't like the death. *shrugs* Oh well
This so much. You have to remember the station this show airs on. I watched Smallville back in the day so I was prepared.
I think we all universally agree that Lana was without a doubt the worst ever.
The Hermit
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hi guys, I left here since mid season 3.
sooo, reading the title change, is it still shit?
I honestly only know Oliver, Diggle and Felicity are alive because they show up/are mentioned occasionally on The Flash.
sooo, reading the title change, is it still shit?
I honestly only know Oliver, Diggle and Felicity are alive because they show up/are mentioned occasionally on The Flash.
Wag
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RIP Canary...
Canary is not dead. Ollie ends up with Black Canary, we just don't know who.
RellyRell28
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Well this all originated with The WB which merged with CBS's UPN network so CW was already contaminated in which it contaminated the parent station CBS so there you have it.
Jorok Goldblade
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PHOENIXZERO
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Lana was awful but I wasn't counting her because she was still an established comic character and they really didn't create her, just an a creepy obsession with Kreuk. Chloe did avoid most of it and yeah it's a huge annoyance with a lot of shows where the main lover interest becomes the source of drama and conflict, I think some of us had our hopes up the lack of it early this season before the cross over happened. Thankfully for as much as Smallville annoyed me with the "secrets and lies" and the drama from it at least they had enough sense to never put Chloe and Clark together.
The Flash was already on track of sabotaging Patty in her last couple episodes even though Barry shared the blame too for being a total asshat.
Jorok Goldblade
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Hey TV writers.
Yes, you.
Come here.
Come a little closer.
Here's a secret.
There's more to portraying two people in a relationship than courtship and breakups.
More writing couples like this:
less like this:
You can tell stories about people who rise above the very low bar of having the emotional maturity of a sixteen year old.
Sincerely,
Everybody.
It's not just a CW problem, but its the worst there. Its a TV writer problem in general. Think of every sitcom power couple. Ross and Rachel. JD and Elliot. Ted and Robin. You rooted for them at first, but as the series went on, it became clear that no matter how many times they tried, they weren't going to work. And continuing to service the ship turned those characters into shittier and shittier people.
Yes, you.
Come here.
Come a little closer.
Here's a secret.
There's more to portraying two people in a relationship than courtship and breakups.
More writing couples like this:
less like this:
You can tell stories about people who rise above the very low bar of having the emotional maturity of a sixteen year old.
Sincerely,
Everybody.
It's not just a CW problem, but its the worst there. Its a TV writer problem in general. Think of every sitcom power couple. Ross and Rachel. JD and Elliot. Ted and Robin. You rooted for them at first, but as the series went on, it became clear that no matter how many times they tried, they weren't going to work. And continuing to service the ship turned those characters into shittier and shittier people.
RellyRell28
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They definitely flirted with it though up until the end of season 5
If you skid a little in the last corner and still win, yes.
They staged a death in three out of four seasons. The only thing different now is that they teased it from the start. As for the fight, it would be different if she was killed in a fight. Then it wouldn't be Dahrk's petty revenge, it would just have been necessary in the heat of battle.
If other people get you angry at the show, that is on you. Not on the show.
That is what you get when they listen to much to the GAF contigent of fans who screamed for them to break up. See this very topic where the people complaining now where wishing for them to break-up. I'm quite sure the Olicity fans wanted them to stay together.
Thanks. I've always enjoyed this Green Arrow DC Showcase. Does anyone know if they still do this for different characters when they put out the DC animated films?
What if you skid a lot. Then you hit a wall. Then your rear spoiler breaks and the car flies up into the crowd.
Because the last episode was not a win.
Jorok Goldblade
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They were fine the first third of the season when they were a stable couple. It was around the time of the Flash crossover when the William secret brought back the drama that they became insufferable again.
Septimus Prime
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If it's WRC, you can still win.
Fine fighting on all ends, good story beats and progression, emotional impact on the scenes, killed a character everybody was complaining about until she was dead. That makes it a win.
So as I said, it was the break-up wish that people had in this very topic at the start that is causing those people to be unhappy.
brotkasten
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Even when I got a contrary opinion, I usually end up agreeing with you, because you care enough to make good points or find reasonable "excuses" to suspend my disbelief. I really like that.
But regarding the fighting in this episode, and I guess it's really good that it's the only stupid nitpick I got, because it was really good, I just can't let that one go.
Merlyn knocked Thea out with his stump in one hit and stole the idol afterwards, one-handed.
I'm not too hung up about it (despite mentioning it like eight times), but it's just one of those silly things where I'm like "come on, even an assassin knocking Thea out from behind would've been better".
THIS is fucking Green Arrow.
After seasons 3/4, you realise that Slade was almost the hero of the whole series
This scene right here was the beginning of the end
Familienoberhauptvogel
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Are people never tiring of harping on felicity? This is shirking close to obsession.
OdysseusVA
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Are people never tiring of harping on others with valid complaints? This is shirking close to obsession.
BewareTheBatsie
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Can't wait for Felicity who had like three personal interactions with Laurel to be more affected and focused on than Thea who knew Laurel near all her life and was there for her more than most lately and saw her like a sister.
I doubt that. She has never tried to seduce Laurel, so clearly, that isn't true.
brotkasten
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They can still fix that with a flashback!
Let's hope so, otherwise it wouldn't be believable.
Stallion Dan
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It's more entertaining than the show.
Or without a flashback.
Funky Papa
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We already saw Felicity straight up telling Ollie to kill Darkh after visiting her tomb.
At this point I'm just hoping the writers pull a "magical herbs from Lian Yu allowed Laurel to fake her own death" plot device just to fuck with us.
I'm sure Wozz's fic would be better written and engaging than whatever scenario this show could ever come with.
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