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[Blader]

I mean, I'm trying not to be hyperbolic and all, but isn't this just basically the end of democracy? If there's no one to oversee elections, how can we be sure of any election?

The states oversee their elections. Voting is hugely decentralized; there is no one federal body overseeing the whole thing.

 

[Smo21]

Smart putting that money into something no one would dare fight against.

 

[megalowho]

Everything's fine. Nothing to see here.

That's not what I said. Elections are run by state and local governments, that is a fact. The poster I quoted does not understand that. I'm getting tired of self pity and condescension driving the conversation on the left. I doubt most of the folks commenting have ever heard of the EAC before this thread, least they could do is educate themselves on what the commission's role is and how long it's been a part of the history of the country (not long).

Be mad, engage your representatives, but let's try to rise above fatalistic, uninformed and hyperbolic kneejerk responses to every story from this administration. Probably need a break myself.

 

[Xando]

The fix is in. The only way to take back control will be with violence, just like everyone else throughout history.

Pretty much. American democracy had a good run but is suddenly moving towards a Turkey/Hungarian authoritarian goverment quickly.

Parallels are undeniable at this point.

 

[snacknuts]

I can't imagine how anyone is supposed to keep track of the staggering amount of reprehensible shit this party is doing right now.

 

[Zips]

This is what I'm getting really confused about. I feel like I need a layman's break down of what exactly this does. Have we seriously eliminated the people who oversee our elections and voting? That's what it sounds like, but do states not do this individually as well?

Eliminating independent commissions focuses authority on saying whether something is working well and was fair in the hands of the governing authority and structure. Doing something like this won't be a one-hit eternal re-election for Trump/the Republicans, but helps open the way towards them skewing or controlling things further. The party in control appears to be looking for the ability to control say over whether an election is fair or not.

 

[Darryl M R]

 

[nicanica]

Man.

You are literally watching your democracy being dismantled.

 

[Extollere]

We ain't winnin shit. Republicans are setting shit up to rule the next few decades.

 

[Randolph Freelander]

A House committee voted on Tuesday to eliminate an independent election commission charged with helping states improve their voting systems as President Donald Trump erroneously claims widespread voter fraud cost him the popular vote.

President Donald Trump erroneously claims widespread voter fraud cost him the popular vote.

President Donald Trump erroneously claims

CALL IT A LIE.

It looks like a lie. It sounds like a lie. He keeps repeating it after being repeatedly informed that it is not correct.

It is a lie. Call it one.

 

[sirap]

Guys, guys. We need to come together and talk.

 

[Akuun]

The next election isn't even going to matter because they're giving themselves free reign to run the whole show themselves.

We're watching a democracy turn into a dictatorship.

 

[SynthFetish]

The fix is in. The only way to take back control will be with violence, just like everyone else throughout history.

Pretty much, this all but guarantees all future elections will be rigged.

I hope I'm proven wrong.

 

[Mr. Poolman]

Wow.

Do you guys even teach the meaning of the word "democracy" on school?

 

[Zips]

That's not what I said. Elections are run by state and local governments, that is a fact. The poster I quoted does not understand that. I'm getting tired of self pity and condescension driving the conversation on the left. I doubt most of the folks commenting have ever heard of the EAC before this thread, least they could do is educate themselves on what the commission's role is and how long it's been a part of the history of the country (not long).

Be mad, engage your representatives, but let's try to rise above fatalistic, uninformed and hyperbolic kneejerk responses to every story from this administration. Probably need a break myself.

You quoted me. You also said I was a drive-by poster. I think you do need a break.

Bottom line is that Trump and the GOP eliminating independent oversight and review is bad. Nothing is a single action creating a fascist government until you suddenly have one. Stuff like this is not inspiring hope.

I'm also not American, thankfully. Unfortunately that also means I can't do much for you guys.

 

[Chie Satonaka]

Half the people want this, though. America is so polarized that the wet dream of the Republican electorate is eternal rule.

You're right.

It's really sad.

 

[Gutek]

Pretty much. American democracy had a good run but is suddenly moving towards a Turkey/Hungarian authoritarian goverment quickly.

Parallels are undeniable at this point.

Yup. America is done.

 

[commedieu]

Guys, guys. We need to come together and talk.

This right here. The GOP shit's on dems, and literally the president himself. Dems take it and figure justice will rule the day. The GOP is fixing the justice to be all in their favor.

Dems have nothing but a population of liberals who worry more about traffic being blocked than taking a stand against injustice. Have to hear out the other side, and compromise you know? The other side is against human civility and rights. There isn't a compromise here. It's universally wrong. These people are anti science ff, and facts.

So. Yep. Keep waiting for the GOP to give fair shots to folks, with your manilla envelope of facts. They don't care and are hijacking democracy. They did it already with the gerrymandering shit. They've literally tried all ways possible, and illegal. To suppress votes.

Fascism doesn't need a opportunity to share it's side. History knows what happens, and we can witness it right now.

 

[ChemicalCutthroat]

From what I was reading earlier, this is just the decision of a Committee, and going forward this is their recommendation. It would still have to be taken to the House and voted on properly.

Naturally, even pushing through something like this to be voted on is dangerous and depressing, but it would still have to go through the Legislature before it actually gets cancelled.

At least that is how I interpreted the articles I read on the matter.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

Yup. America is done.

Nah, it'll survive. It's just not gonna be a fair and thoughtful democracy anymore, and most surely not "the land of the free" or even "united" in anything but borders.

 

[theWB27]

Yup. America is done.

Would you use the next year to get out there and help change that before the elections?

Yea... half want it and the only reason it seems like too much is because the other half are not doing anything.

 

[Lord Frieza]

From what I was reading earlier, this is just the decision of a Committee, and going forward this is their recommendation. It would still have to be taken to the House and voted on properly.

Naturally, even pushing through something like this to be voted on is dangerous and depressing, but it would still have to go through the Legislature before it actually gets cancelled.

At least that is how I interpreted the articles I read on the matter.

I mean, does that matter? It's the GOP.

 

[Farewell]

Even if trump turns america into a shithole, there will be still many supporters left, because best they can is always blame it on others. Some people just never change.

 

[commedieu]

From what I was reading earlier, this is just the decision of a Committee, and going forward this is their recommendation. It would still have to be taken to the House and voted on properly.

Naturally, even pushing through something like this to be voted on is dangerous and depressing, but it would still have to go through the Legislature before it actually gets cancelled.

At least that is how I interpreted the articles I read on the matter.

This is said as if you don't believe the GOP wants to rig voting in their favor, as they've been doing for decades.

It's the intention that is damming, and the history, and the will to continue it. It will get through any body it needs to, or another form of it. The motive is to suppress voting. They've got very powerful positions to do so.

 

[gcubed]

I mean, does that matter? It's the GOP.

can't do it with 51 votes.

Anway, i agree with the other poster. There are things to be fatalistic over, this isn't one. This is just more proof that liberals need to pay more attention to elections besides one for President. If they held any power whatsoever in states it wouldn't be the end of the world

 

[teiresias]

I swear the hyperbole in this place is ridiculous sometimes. This commission wasn't even formed until 2000 and looks like it had more to do with providing funds for upgrading voting machines than anything else. I mean unless you're going to tell me this country was a banana Republic through its entire history up until 2000.

 

[jay]

I think people are overreacting.

 

[nintendoman58]

Yup. America is done.

Ignore this guy, he's showing up in every thread just to spew this rhetoric.

 

[gcubed]

I think people are overreacting.

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[Holy Order Sol]

But those emails...

We deserve it all.

you gonna post that shit everywhere but nah

 

[DrkSage]

Wow.

Do you guys even teach the meaning of the word "democracy" on school?

Ruled by the rich duh

 

[bobbychalkers]

This, I didn't vote for this shit. And seeing as how this country's pastime is screwing itself over and over again, I want out.

 

[nintendoman58]

I swear the hyperbole in this place is ridiculous sometimes. This commission wasn't even formed until 2000 and looks like it had more to do with providing funds for upgrading voting machines than anything else. I mean unless you're going to tell me this country was a banana Republic through its entire history up until 2000.

I think people are overreacting.

The entirety of OT has been nothing but mass fear and panic ever since the election.

It's impossible to tell what's good and what's bad here anymore because everybody keeps posting the exact same thing, not matter what the subject.

1. America is done.
2. I'm not having kids
3. But her emails
4. Protests do nothing
5. Give up.

Rinse and repeat these five points in every Trump thread, with only 1% of the posters actually reading the article and thoroughly explaining what it means and what can be done about it.

It's ridiculous now.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Fucking emails..

 

[Arkanius]

God Emperor Trump continues his path

Fuck this

 

[ChemicalCutthroat]

This is said as if you don't believe the GOP wants to rig voting in their favor, as they've been doing for decades.

It's the intention that is damming, and the history, and the will to continue it. It will get through any body it needs to, or another form of it. The motive is to suppress voting. They've got very powerful positions to do so.

I'm aware. I'm not trying to downplay the severity of this at all, I'm just saying that it hasn't been eliminated yet. Though that may be about to happen.

It is ludicrous, how they try and establish this insane empirical powerbase. It is disgusting to watch. And terrifying if they succeed.

 

[Loudninja]

The entirety of OT has been nothing but mass fear and panic ever since the election.

It's impossible to tell what's good and what's bad here anymore because everybody keeps posting the exact same thing, not matter what the subject.

1. America is done.
2. I'm not having kids
3. But her emails
4. Protests do nothing
5. Give up.

Rinse and repeat these five points in every Trump thread, with only 1% of the posters actually reading the article and thoroughly explaining what it means and what can be done about it.

It's ridiculous now.

Umm after all this stuff that has happen people still trying claim others are overreacting at THIS point?

 

[Cocaloch]

The fix is in. The only way to take back control will be with violence, just like everyone else throughout history.

Except for all the times where it happened by other means? There have been plenty of non-violent power transfers.The issue here isn't that this case is the norm, it's that this is extraordinary.

 

[nintendoman58]

Umm after all this stuff that has happen people still trying claim others are overreacting at THIS point?

Yes because you people have no idea what's going to happen no matter what you say.

Look. I know all this is very depressing and horrifying. But it's also depressing and horrifying seeing this place become an absolute cesspool of panic where there's no more actual discussion and only people saying the same things over and over again.

It's the most anti-productive behavior I've seen and this is exactly what the enemies want from us.

 

[NastyBook]

lmfao! Source?

 

[Coolluck]

Yes because you people have no idea what's going to happen no matter what you say.

Look. I know all this is very depressing and horrifying. But it's also depressing and horrifying seeing this place become an absolute cesspool of panic where there's no more actual discussion and only people saying the same things over and over again.

It's the most anti-productive behavior I've seen and this is exactly what the enemies want from us.

There's other discussion that happens and derailing by pointing out the repeats doesn't doa anything since you're not actually contributing here. It's like Gaming GAF being sick of You know Joel...but stopping their statement there. What's going on right now is frightening. Trump has continually shown an inept lust for power that is propped up by the Republicans putting party over country and their base eating it all up because "Democrats are the real traitors. I love Russia and always have!"