The only relatively recent change(on consoles) with using light-probes to sample environment lighting onto dynamic objects has been sampling multiple-probes GPU-side. Other then that this has been common-place for at least 4-5 years - with early variants dating back to PS2/Xbox consoles/days.VFX_Veteran said:
Assassin's Creed Unity -- The graphics "leap" we've all been waiting for.
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ISS is in the same tier as Tomb Raider or Hitman absolution. Not quite "next-gen" yet. IMO.
VFX_Veteran
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Sampling multiple probes will definitely add to the fidelity and converge the rendering equation faster. It's like me firing more samples for indirect lighting.. it looks way better than only using 1 sample.
I know baked lighting has been around for years, but it's not been done like this before except in the games I mention. Not even Infamous or KZ:SF have it.. and those games are new.
Thanks for making this thread. We all get too caught up in only the negative aspects. It is easily the most stunning game I've experienced. The artists deserve recognition. I'm in awe every time I'm walking through the interiors of these lavish mansions. Amazing! I can enjoy this games just for the visuals. It's fun just exploring
IcyBlueStrawberry
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This is the first game I've played that's made me consider upgrading to a 4K monitor. The amount of detail is so incredible that I feel like I'm missing out at 1080p.
It's the best looking game I've ever played and it's open world. That's quite an accomplishment.
Framerate caps, breh.
It's the best looking game I've ever played and it's open world. That's quite an accomplishment.
Framerate caps, breh.
mugurumakensei
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id say whoever did their lighting engine is the one who deserves recognition except the artists who did elise's hair and model. those guys deserve an award. the texture artists too.
PC games capped at 30FPS mostly run and look like shit. Same is true for console though, but on PC it's worse.
Driveclub sports a real-time GI solution.
I just meant, why didn't you use a typing tool instead of manually writing with a brush or pencil, since most image editors have some sort of typing tool. No big deal, of course.
Wow, the woman, or especially the hair on her looks pretty much real here! Is that ingame or a cutscene? It looks slightly different than the other pictures.
Also, the lighting is amazing in this picture:
I think this makes it the most obvious. It's easy to blow off some of those screens as not being THAT huge of a leap over last gen, but when you see something you can directly compare to last gen it's pretty damn obvious.
Though given the framerate I do call into question whether it's worth it, but it DOES sound like that's mainly a problem of too many people walking around at times (does that actually accurately reflect Paris then? Or just how movies present it?)
It really depends on how you implement the cap. E.g. dynamic 1/2 frequency V-sync in the NV driver combined with a 31 framecap gets pretty damn good results in many games. Well, as good as 30 FPS gets that is.
Since when the 31 framerate cap? That is new to me. Tell me more.
luca_29_bg
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And on amd with radeon pro ? Double vsync ?
Well, it really depends on the game what works best - a bit of experimentation is required. The frame cap can help with frame pacing.
^^^ Input lag also depends on the game, you can always try reducing the number of buffered frames. Anyway, this is a bit OT in here, I think we had a framecapping thread.
Yes, in certain situations that "effect" is pretty strong and of course, this is not a positive factor.
I remember, during the E3 2014, that I was incredibly impressed by the graphics of The Order, but, talking with a guy from RAD, I expressed my "concern" that the difference between Gallahad (and the other characters) and the environment was too noticeable. The character looked amazing, the scenario not as good as the character. Of course, the game was in alpha and the guy from Rad assured me that the environment would get a graphics boost. So, basically, it was the opposite case.
It's not so easy (at all!) for a game with a strong graphics component to keep consistency between the characters and environment.
MickeyKnox
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The game is so good looking within a 20 meter radius of your character but looks like something from the 32 bit era at a distance not far past that, it's incredibly jarring.
Grumpy-Gamer
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I have to agree the graphics on this thing are quite the next level and you have to give a thumbs up to the developers for pushing the envelope here but cmon guys optimise optimise optimise.... I can't help but think if this game moved and controlled like shadow of mordor we would have the perfect game
VFX_Veteran
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Do you have and screenshots showing it? Not doubting you but I'd like to see these kinds of things. Alien:Isolation also has real GI, but those environments are static too and it doesn't look anywhere near AC:U.
TheGuardian
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Almost every current gen game uses multiple baked probes for indirect lighting, even launch ones like Killzone, Dead Rising 3, Ryse, etc.
Grumpy-Gamer
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Yes I second that, I even posted the exact same thing on another thread a few days ago...it just completely takes you out of the game, such a shame. I've stopped playing it for now it's so bad but I am hoping a future patch will sort so I can revisit.
Not really. It's a PC thread after all. Why 31? Are you capping at 61 also?
dampflokfreund
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Is there a dynamic weather system like in Black Flag? Never saw it rain in paris
Sax Russel
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Pretty much this. Large crowds are comical with people's textures/models popping in constantly all around you, and buildings in the distance even on ultra settings are a really hard transition. I'd gladly cut crowd density by 25% or more to recoup some extra power for city geometry or general performance.
But other than that the game can look amazing, yeah.
Felix Lighter
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It does rain. There's fog and overcast as well.
Yeah the medium distance details are a bit too low. Maybe they could have thrown up a DoF effect for the far distance.
VFX_Veteran
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I'd like to see some screens with them in motion on a dynamic object. I couldn't find it affecting any dynamic objects at all in Crysis 3 or KZ:SF.
Here is an example image of what I'm talking about:
Felix Lighter
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To me, it feels apparent that the LOD and pop in was some last minute, half assed attempt at salvaging performance. It isn't well thought out, and there isn't a developer on that team that wouldn't hate the way it compromises the game visually. This is where I think someone in management should have realized that the game needed to be delayed.
jacksepticeye
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It looks great at times and then looks shittier at others. The really washed out desaturated look in some areas doesn't help
Brerlappin
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Yeah I agree with the OP. This is real next gen stuff, first next gen game to really impress me. Ive had great performance on ultra on PC, very few bugs or crashes too. The lightning is just sublime, the textures are amazing, and ive never come across a world that feels so lived in and lifelike
VFX_Veteran
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Very much this. I think that the game is just too demanding and they tried to scale back. They'll take away some things to scale back for consoles I'm pretty sure.
It's pretty clear they worried more about the game's visuals than the gameplay itself. They must have shat bricks when they realized it wouldn't run on the consoles like they'd initially hoped for.
Wow. What kind of performance do you get? I'm running on the same GPU but with a 4670k. I haven't heard much about how CPU-bound Unity is on PC.
Ganzlinger
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Wow. Some screens made me really impressed.
The Janitor
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TheGuardian
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I'd like to see some screens with them in motion on a dynamic object. I couldn't find it affecting any dynamic objects at all in Crysis 3 or KZ:SF.
Here is an example image of what I'm talking about:
There's no performance penalty to sampling them on a dynamic object vs a static one.
Here's an old presentation from the Cars 2 game where they use light probes to light the cars
The earliest I remember something similar being mentioned was actually Stranger's Wrath fror the original Xbox, some really cool tech in that game.
Masterbrew
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This is a lot less impressive than the screenshots
Lovely Salsa
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any videos that would wow me? Because I haven't seen it yet
I'm with the "insane" crowd that thinks Infamous wowed me more
I'm with the "insane" crowd that thinks Infamous wowed me more
Felix Lighter
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It's 1080p using FXAA and it's a youtube video. The screenshots here are mostly 4K with at least 4x MSAA and little to no compression. I was mostly demonstrating that you can get decent performance but on very high end hardware. The really poorly made ports typically run like shit on just about anything.
Stallion Free
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It does look pretty insane on PC. Better than Ryse on PC.
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