Asus ROG Swift PG278Q monitor, 1440p/144hz/G-Sync

So, when all said and done,

This monitor is the shit when it's working but has a shelf life of a few months?

I'm feeling pissed off to say the least.
 
Smokey said:
I'm kind of having the same problem and have disconnected the monitor. One day out of the blue the fonts looked all screwed up. It's hard to explain. Then I tried to put the monitor into ULMB mode and it was constantly pulsing. I am now using my Samsung 4k monitor and it looks normal. I tried different driver sets, different cables, it doesn't matter.

So I am going to have to take it back to Frys and see what they can do since I bought the 2 year plan. They don't even carry it on their website anymore...
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Is this what it looked like Smokey?
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Some people to be having this problem.
 
I'm still unsure if I want this over that benq. Now that I've had my 970 with ACU, FC4, and DAI I'm more skeptical of upping my res.
 
Jtrizzy said:
I'm still unsure if I want this over that benq. Now that I've had my 970 with ACU, FC4, and DAI I'm more skeptical of upping my res.
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Can this monitor also run at 1080p and if so how does it look? Im questioning if my single 970 is going to keep me going with this monitor. Ive been waiting untilxmas as I always get a ton of newegg goft cards.
 
Waikis said:
Is this what it looked like Smokey?
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Some people to be having this problem.
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Yes holy crap thank you. I've been trying to explain it with pics and describe it to people.

So it's broke right? No way to fix besides Rma?

If so this is BS

Felix Lighter said:
I made a conscious decision to go with the 1080p BenQ GSync monitor in hopes of keeping a higher framerate but "1080pls" still stung a little.
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Sorry lol
 
this monitor seems to have some pretty shocking quality control issues, especially for the price, the overclock on the panels must be at fault, the 2 i had were awful in motion

Anarkin said:
Finally some competition for the Swift. The 1080p 27-Inch model from Acer is the cheapest monitor with G-Sync, so I guess this one will also be cheaper.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/acer-will-release-27-inch-1440p-tn-film-xb270hu-g-sync-144hz.html
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if it's as good as acers 4k gysnc monitor (just got one, can highly recommend) then it should be great, will be the same au optronics panel as the asus though so i'd be careful
 
ankor77 said:
Can this monitor also run at 1080p and if so how does it look? Im questioning if my single 970 is going to keep me going with this monitor. Ive been waiting untilxmas as I always get a ton of newegg goft cards.
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How does it look? Like 1920x1080 on a 2560x1440 panel. If you have a 1920x1080 display at the moment, try playing a game at 1600x900 or something and set the GPU to scale the output. The effect will be similar.

G-Sync displays have no scaler in them. As they're intended to be used with NVIDIA GPUs, it's assumed you have a GPU that can perform scaling pretty well. The result is decent enough to my eyes.
 
bee said:
this monitor seems to have some pretty shocking quality control issues, especially for the price, the overclock on the panels must be at fault, the 2 i had were awful in motion
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Yeah, the overclocking makes sense as a potential problem. I've been keeping mine at 120 instead of 144 - maybe that's been helping. I did notice some weird backlight brightness changes in Civilization: Beyond Earth, but that might have been a driver thing.

Oh well, hopefully it holds out long enough for a firmware update.
 
I got the ROG Swift too and I'm trying to understand something.

Everyone is praising GSync saying they can never go back etc and I feel like they actually mean the 120-144fps because quite honestly, I've spent hours upon hours playing games with VSync or GSync and there is absolutely no difference. At 144hz of course.

Can people here go to NVCP, change Vsync from "Gsync" to "On", load your games, and honestly tell me there is a difference ? There isn't, sorry.

Borderlands, Tomb Raider, Titanfall, BF3, BF4, Shadow of Mordor, Bioshock Infinite, I tried all of them at 144hz and with Vsync or Gsync I cannot see a single difference.

My specs are i7-4770k, GTX780 Classified, MSI Z87-G45 Gaming mobo, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD, 16GB Ram GSkill 2133 and of course the ROG Swift.
 
Lanarchy said:
I got the ROG Swift too and I'm trying to understand something.

Everyone is praising GSync saying they can never go back etc and I feel like they actually mean the 120-144fps because quite honestly, I've spent hours upon hours playing games with VSync or GSync and there is absolutely no difference. At 144hz of course.

Can people here go to NVCP, change Vsync from "Gsync" to "On", load your games, and honestly tell me there is a difference ? There isn't, sorry.

Borderlands, Tomb Raider, Titanfall, BF3, BF4, Shadow of Mordor, Bioshock Infinite, I tried all of them at 144hz and with Vsync or Gsync I cannot see a single difference.

My specs are i7-4770k, GTX780 Classified, MSI Z87-G45 Gaming mobo, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD, 16GB Ram GSkill 2133 and of course the ROG Swift.
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Yes locked at the Refresh rate of the monitor there will be no difference. If you don't see a difference well below that, than you don't recognize judder.
 
Lanarchy said:
I got the ROG Swift too and I'm trying to understand something.

Everyone is praising GSync saying they can never go back etc and I feel like they actually mean the 120-144fps because quite honestly, I've spent hours upon hours playing games with VSync or GSync and there is absolutely no difference. At 144hz of course.

Can people here go to NVCP, change Vsync from "Gsync" to "On", load your games, and honestly tell me there is a difference ? There isn't, sorry.

Borderlands, Tomb Raider, Titanfall, BF3, BF4, Shadow of Mordor, Bioshock Infinite, I tried all of them at 144hz and with Vsync or Gsync I cannot see a single difference.

My specs are i7-4770k, GTX780 Classified, MSI Z87-G45 Gaming mobo, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD, 16GB Ram GSkill 2133 and of course the ROG Swift.
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Cap your frame rate to 50 FPS using Rivatuner, then go into a game and rotate the camera using a gamepad. If you notice any sort of jerkiness in the panning, that is what gsync will help fix. gsync is overly hyped though I think.. anything less than 60 FPS feels like garbage, gsynced or not.
 
CND said:
Cap your frame rate to 50 FPS using Rivatuner, then go into a game and rotate the camera using a gamepad. If you notice any sort of jerkiness in the panning, that is what gsync will help fix. gsync is overly hyped though I think.. anything less than 60 FPS feels like garbage, gsynced or not.
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Some people say under 30, others say under 40, some 50...and you say 60. So which is it ? (For me it looks like 60 too, I can feel 58s and 59s very clearly).
 
Felix Lighter said:
Yes locked at the Refresh rate of the monitor there will be no difference. If you don't see a difference well below that, than you don't recognize judder.
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Well that actually is the problem. I can recognize those judder with or without GSync.

And yes I'm in fullscreen lol. I can clearly notice when the FPS goes under 60. At 90+ it's the most fluid thing I've ever seen, but if I enable Vsync instead of Gsync I get the exact same fluidity.
 
Lanarchy said:
I got the ROG Swift too and I'm trying to understand something.

Everyone is praising GSync saying they can never go back etc and I feel like they actually mean the 120-144fps because quite honestly, I've spent hours upon hours playing games with VSync or GSync and there is absolutely no difference. At 144hz of course.

Can people here go to NVCP, change Vsync from "Gsync" to "On", load your games, and honestly tell me there is a difference ? There isn't, sorry.

Borderlands, Tomb Raider, Titanfall, BF3, BF4, Shadow of Mordor, Bioshock Infinite, I tried all of them at 144hz and with Vsync or Gsync I cannot see a single difference.

My specs are i7-4770k, GTX780 Classified, MSI Z87-G45 Gaming mobo, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD, 16GB Ram GSkill 2133 and of course the ROG Swift.
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Mirrors Edge is one game that showcases gsync's strength. If you enable vsync in that, there is still a good amount of screen tear. With gsync, the tearing completely disappears. So, in terms of motion/smoothness/stutters, I would say gsync is your mileage will vary, depending on the game. But visually, that is where gsync shines, as any screen tearing that was present will all be gone now.
 
My experience has also been that the benefits vary greatly by game.

A game that does show off the technology in a great way is Prototype 2.
On a regular monitor it is unplayable, with constant microstutter and slowdown no matter what settings are used.

On g-sync it plays like glassy perfection.
 
Lanarchy said:
I got the ROG Swift too and I'm trying to understand something.

Everyone is praising GSync saying they can never go back etc and I feel like they actually mean the 120-144fps because quite honestly, I've spent hours upon hours playing games with VSync or GSync and there is absolutely no difference. At 144hz of course.

Can people here go to NVCP, change Vsync from "Gsync" to "On", load your games, and honestly tell me there is a difference ? There isn't, sorry.

Borderlands, Tomb Raider, Titanfall, BF3, BF4, Shadow of Mordor, Bioshock Infinite, I tried all of them at 144hz and with Vsync or Gsync I cannot see a single difference.

My specs are i7-4770k, GTX780 Classified, MSI Z87-G45 Gaming mobo, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD, 16GB Ram GSkill 2133 and of course the ROG Swift.
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If you are hitting your max refresh rate in FPS then you aren't going to see a difference, that is the ideal perfection condition for smoothness. Where G-Sync shows it's quality is when you have irregular FPS that is not going to match your refresh rate evenly. To me this area is 40-60 fps, and going back and forth between G-Sync off and G-Sync on when viewing these frame rate range makes it obvious that it is a night and day difference in smoothness.

I do not have the ROG swift however, I am on the Asus vg248qe w/ G-Sync module installed.
 
Lanarchy said:
I got the ROG Swift too and I'm trying to understand something.

Everyone is praising GSync saying they can never go back etc and I feel like they actually mean the 120-144fps because quite honestly, I've spent hours upon hours playing games with VSync or GSync and there is absolutely no difference. At 144hz of course.

Can people here go to NVCP, change Vsync from "Gsync" to "On", load your games, and honestly tell me there is a difference ? There isn't, sorry.

Borderlands, Tomb Raider, Titanfall, BF3, BF4, Shadow of Mordor, Bioshock Infinite, I tried all of them at 144hz and with Vsync or Gsync I cannot see a single difference.

My specs are i7-4770k, GTX780 Classified, MSI Z87-G45 Gaming mobo, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD, 16GB Ram GSkill 2133 and of course the ROG Swift.
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Where framwrate is uneven or otherwise dips below the maximum refresh, there's more than enough difference. Sorry?
 
Well then there is something defective with my monitor or GSync because especially at 40-60 fps, I can clearly notice the low frames and slowness with or without Gsync. It's not smooth, whether I have Gsync or Vsync on.
 
Lanarchy said:
Well then there is something defective with my monitor or GSync because especially at 40-60 fps, I can clearly notice the low frames and slowness with or without Gsync. It's not smooth, whether I have Gsync or Vsync on.
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Is the light at the bottom red while playing games?
 
I surely will buy a g-sync tv in the future but I'm surprised reading how Mirror's Edge or Prototype 2 are stutter festivals for some users. I can play both perfect smooth. I mean, fucking perfect smooth.
 
Lanarchy said:
I got the ROG Swift too and I'm trying to understand something.

Everyone is praising GSync saying they can never go back etc and I feel like they actually mean the 120-144fps because quite honestly, I've spent hours upon hours playing games with VSync or GSync and there is absolutely no difference. At 144hz of course.

Can people here go to NVCP, change Vsync from "Gsync" to "On", load your games, and honestly tell me there is a difference ? There isn't, sorry.

Borderlands, Tomb Raider, Titanfall, BF3, BF4, Shadow of Mordor, Bioshock Infinite, I tried all of them at 144hz and with Vsync or Gsync I cannot see a single difference.

My specs are i7-4770k, GTX780 Classified, MSI Z87-G45 Gaming mobo, Samsung Evo 256GB SSD, 16GB Ram GSkill 2133 and of course the ROG Swift.
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There's not enough information here to say absolutely why you feel you can't see any benefit. Are you actually playing at 2560x1440? Some of these titles will be trivial to keep in the 60-144fps range, some not so much. In that range, depending on the person, it may be hard to see the benefit.

Most games are double-buffered, so in Vsync mode the possible frame rates (assuming 144hz) are 144, 72, 48, 24 and so forth. I can only assume that because of settings or game choice, you're never getting less than 72fps. Personally, I'd definitely notice getting slammed to 48fps in Vsync mode.

Anyway, unless you can show us a FRAPS frame time capture or similar as an example, we can only speculate about your scenario.
Try running BF4 with 150 or 200% resolution scaling at 2560x1440. G-Sync should differentiate itself from Vsync quite well then.
 
riflen said:
There's not enough information here to say absolutely why you feel you can't see any benefit. Are you actually playing at 2560x1440? Some of these titles will be trivial to keep in the 60-144fps range, some not so much. In that range, depending on the person, it may be hard to see the benefit.

Most games are double-buffered, so in Vsync mode the possible frame rates (assuming 144hz) are 144, 72, 48, 24 and so forth. I can only assume that because of settings or game choice, you're never getting less than 72fps. Personally, I'd definitely notice getting slammed to 48fps in Vsync mode.

Anyway, unless you can show us a FRAPS frame time capture or similar as an example, we can only speculate about your scenario.
Try running BF4 with 150 or 200% resolution scaling at 2560x1440. G-Sync should differentiate itself from Vsync quite well then.
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Thank you for your reply, I am indeed at 2560x1440. I'm going to bed but tomorrow I'll make a video of me playing Shadow of Mordor, Titanfall, and maybe another where, if fps drops to 50-60, it is clearly noticeable even with Gsync. I can make a video with Vsync and then one with Gsync and you will see there is no difference.
 
Lanarchy said:
Thank you for your reply, I am indeed at 2560x1440. I'm going to bed but tomorrow I'll make a video of me playing Shadow of Mordor, Titanfall, and maybe another where, if fps drops to 50-60, it is clearly noticeable even with Gsync. I can make a video with Vsync and then one with Gsync and you will see there is no difference.
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Oh, a video is not what I meant. You can use FRAPS or MSI Afterburner to log the time it takes to render each frame. The data's stored as text. You can then view the data in a readable manner like so:

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This is FRAPS data viewed with FRAFS bench viewer. Frankly, I'm interested in seeing you get arbitrary frame rates when Vysnc is on. I don't have SoM or Titanfall so I can't do an equivalence test myself.

NVIDIA doesn't claim G-Sync makes frame variance unnoticeable. That's impossible. Rather, it's designed to remove stuttering caused by Vsync on and tearing caused by Vsync off.
I suspect the problem, if we can call it that, is that this display is really great in 144Hz mode and if you have a fast PC and the game allows triple-buffering, then G-Sync mode is not so vital.

Actually, I've just had a thought. Do you play games in windowed mode, or fullscreen? G-sync will not work in windowed modes.
 
One way to confirm G-Sync is active is the power LED. Red = G-Sync.

How do I know if G-Sync is running in game?
The monitor power LED light will turn red indicating G-Sync is on. V-Sync needs to be disabled in the PC game settings and G-Sync enabled in the Nvidia control panel. Then the game must be run in full screen
http://rog.asus.com/339252014/gaming-monitors/faq-rog-swift-pg278q-27-inch-g-sync-gaming-monitor/

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/technology/g-sync/faq

Maybe try the pendulum demo they talk about here with it set at 40 or 50 FPS.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/g-sync-v-sync-monitor,3699-5.html
 
nextgeneration said:
I finally got my hands on this monitor and I have mixed feelings about it so far. Is there a workaround in getting gsync to work with Crysis 1 and Crysis Warhead at full frame rates? When gsync is enabled from the Nvidia control panel, it locks both Crysis and Warhead at 23 fps, thus rendering the games unplayable. Can others try this and lemme know if they see the same thing?

Also, for some unknown reason, with gsync enabled/disabled, it doesn't matter, but when I try to play Duke Nukem 3d Megaton edition on this monitor, it's super choppy. On my old Asus 120 hz monitor, it's smooth as butter, but on the Swift, it's horribly choppy. Anyone able to try this on theirs and see if they get the same results?

Other than these titles, gsync appears to be working fine on my other games.
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I should have some time to try and reproduce your Crysis issue tonight.
 
Lanarchy said:
I got the ROG Swift too and I'm trying to understand something.

Everyone is praising GSync saying they can never go back etc and I feel like they actually mean the 120-144fps because quite honestly, I've spent hours upon hours playing games with VSync or GSync and there is absolutely no difference. At 144hz of course.

Can people here go to NVCP, change Vsync from "Gsync" to "On", load your games, and honestly tell me there is a difference ? There isn't, sorry.
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At that speed you are supposed to use ULMB mode.
 
@Riflen: Ohhh, now THAT'S the kind of thing I needed ! I can't do the tests right now because I need to go to work but tonight I will download FRAPS and run those, will post results with Vsync and Gsync. I used Shadowplay to verify fps but I don't think there is that kind of log.

Thanks, at least if I can't see a visual difference, knowing there is one in logs will make me satisfied.
 
ok i turned off the monitor, left it a few days, turned it on, the issue is gone....

If this was a monitor hardware fault , would it be doing that?

I'm starting to think its driver related or cable related.
 
nextgeneration said:
I finally got my hands on this monitor and I have mixed feelings about it so far. Is there a workaround in getting gsync to work with Crysis 1 and Crysis Warhead at full frame rates? When gsync is enabled from the Nvidia control panel, it locks both Crysis and Warhead at 23 fps, thus rendering the games unplayable. Can others try this and lemme know if they see the same thing?

Also, for some unknown reason, with gsync enabled/disabled, it doesn't matter, but when I try to play Duke Nukem 3d Megaton edition on this monitor, it's super choppy. On my old Asus 120 hz monitor, it's smooth as butter, but on the Swift, it's horribly choppy. Anyone able to try this on theirs and see if they get the same results?

Other than these titles, gsync appears to be working fine on my other games.
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OK, I could not reproduce this Crysis/Crysis Warhead problem. A few things you might want to try, however.

1. All the Crysis games have a known bug, that forces your display to 60 Hz when you run the game. I can confirm this still happens. To fix it, I went into NVIDIA control panel > Manage 3D settings > Program Settings > Crysis > Preferred Refresh Rate > Highest Available.

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This allowed the display to run at 144Hz. Don't forget to disable Vsync in the game itself too.

2. There is a command to cap the frame rate in Crysis and Crysis Warhead. It's possible that this is set in your game for some reason. Try opening the console during the game (press the key above your tab key), type the command fixed_time_step 0 and press enter.
Alternatively, you can set +fixed_time_step=0 to the launch options for the game. This should unlock the frame rate, allowing G-Sync to work properly.

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Thanks for trying trying this out. When I get home later tonight, I'll try these tips out. Hopefully, it resolves my issues! Will report back with my findings later tonight!
 
Lanarchy said:
@Riflen: Ohhh, now THAT'S the kind of thing I needed ! I can't do the tests right now because I need to go to work but tonight I will download FRAPS and run those, will post results with Vsync and Gsync. I used Shadowplay to verify fps but I don't think there is that kind of log.

Thanks, at least if I can't see a visual difference, knowing there is one in logs will make me satisfied.
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I could be mistaken, but won't frame latency graphs will only work if you turn on Vsync and don't have triple buffering enabled (which can be hard to do since a lot of games use it out of the box)?

Assuming you know exactly what micro-stuttering actually looks like, there is a very simple test which I described in a previous message: cap FPS to 50 using Rivatuner, plug in a x360 controller and then rotate the camera in-game. If you notice any sort of persistent, harmonic jerkiness, something is wrong.
 
nextgeneration said:
Great, thank you. I don't suppose you have Duke Nukem, do you?
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Cry engine has this weird 24hz bug, but it's always been an issue with it being in full screen over hdmi. To fix it I used to just flip between full and windowed and flip between v sync modes in full screen and windowed till it clicked. Maybe that'll help.
 
Jtrizzy said:
Cry engine has this weird 24hz bug, but it's always been an issue with it being in full screen over hdmi. To fix it I used to just flip between full and windowed and flip between v sync modes in full screen and windowed till it clicked. Maybe that'll help.
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Yup, putting it into Windows mode fixes the frame rate, but it also disables gsync in the process. Also, when I was playing the game with gsync disabled, the game is a choppy mess (despite my high frame rates) in full screen but when I put it in Windows mode, game is super smooth and is a joy to play. Is that the same for you?
 
hurricanes said:
$800 and for a TN panel? No. I don't care how good your TN panel is $800 is a rip off.
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Your loss, it's a fantastic panel.

I had an Asus PB278Q, which is Asus's IPS 1440p panel and I could barely tell the difference between the two side by side. Both calibrated.

Non existant input lag, 144hz and Gsync with an almost IPS quality panel is pretty damn incredible.

It's so much better than the PB278Q and the QNIX QX2710 I had.
 
ref said:
Your loss, it's a fantastic panel.

I had an Asus PB278Q, which is Asus's IPS 1440p panel and I could barely tell the difference between the two side by side. Both calibrated.

Non existant input lag, 144hz and Gsync with an almost IPS quality panel is pretty damn incredible.

It's so much better than the PB278Q and the QNIX QX2710 I had.
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I tried TN panels before, both cheap and expensive ones, but the color accuracy are never on par with a good IPS. TN has many advantages for gaming, but for anything required color accuracy it will not work.

Edit: I just saw your edit. I don't have any of the monitors you mentioned. How does compare to Dell Ultrasharp?
 
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