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[Count Dookkake]

I don't see why Leondexter's opinion is now fact simply because he doesn't know how to use ebay. He's likes the Wii. Great.

Here's a fact: you need to work on reading comprehension.

 

[SapientWolf]

If I'd kept all my games over the years, I'd probably have 777 games too. I had 150+ games for the C64 alone. I don't see how it can be used to justify anything though. EDIT: Just noticed that it's related to some former retarted posts. Fair enough. Of course hardcore gamers can like, or prefer, the Wii.

I don't understand collecting or collectors. I'm not a hoarder, and don't have enough time to play the latest games, let alone 777 old ones.

I don't understand trading in a game just because you beat it and something else new and shiny is coming out that week. Your gaming library should accumulate. I think BC is a step in the right direction.

 

[Jag22]

I think that's the point...there is no typical "Wii gamer". First, its audience isn't entirely made up of "casual" players (hate that term) -

I guess that's why Madden sold so well on the Wii.

 

[jman2050]

I guess that's why Madden sold so well on the Wii.

Keep digging that hole.

 

[grandjedi6]

I guess that's why Madden sold so well on the Wii.

You're still at this?

 

[Jag22]

If the Wii is owned by every type of gamer, and not just the "casual" audience. Then why didn't Madden sell better on the Wii?

Like it or not the Madden sales are an indicator of who owns the Wii.

 

[titiklabingapat]

If the Wii is owned by every type of gamer, and not just the "casual" audience. Then why didn't Madden sell better on the Wii?

Like it or not the Madden sales are an indicator of who owns the Wii.

It simply means that Wii owners do not like Madden. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

If the Wii is owned by every type of gamer, and not just the "casual" audience. Then why didn't Madden sell better on the Wii?

Like it or not the Madden sales are an indicator of who owns the Wii.

I'm as hardcore as anyone around here and certainly more hardcore than your ass, and I've never bought a fucking Madden game in my entire life.

Madden not selling well likely points to one thing: the Madden audience isn't choosing the Wii version of Madden. Your conclusion essentially states that anyone who doesn't buy Madden is a "casual". That's completely fucking retarded.

 

[Eteric Rice]

I guess that's why Madden sold so well on the Wii.

 

[Jag22]

It simply means that Wii owners do not like Madden. Nothing more, nothing less.

No, it means the Wii will continue to receive games like Smarty Pants because that is the Wii audience. The Wii audience isn't Half Life, it isn't GTA, it isn't Madden. The Wii audience is however Carnival Games.

The Madden sells proves that point.

 

[jman2050]

No, it means the Wii will continue to receive games like Smarty Pants because that is the Wii audience. The Wii audience isn't Half Life, it isn't GTA, it isn't Madden. The Wii audience is however Carnival Games.

The Madden sells proves that point.

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[Regulus Tera]

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You're looking for this:

 

[PARANO1A]

It wasn't too long ago that Madden was the very definition of casual.

 

[jman2050]

You're looking for this:

Thank you much

It wasn't too long ago that Madden was the very definition of casual.

That hasn't changed.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

If the Wii is owned by every type of gamer, and not just the "casual" audience. Then why didn't Madden sell better on the Wii?

Like it or not the Madden sales are an indicator of who owns the Wii.

Since when is Madden hardcore?

Madden has always been a casual game that appeals primarily to football fans.

I would guess that it just shows that most people don't want to play Madden on the Wii. Which doesn't really tell you all that much.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

No, it means the Wii will continue to receive games like Smarty Pants because that is the Wii audience. The Wii audience isn't Half Life, it isn't GTA, it isn't Madden. The Wii audience is however Carnival Games.

The Madden sells proves that point.

I don't think you understand the meaning of the word 'proof' or the verb 'prove'.

The sales of Madden support your argument, but they by no means prove it.

 

[titiklabingapat]

No, it means the Wii will continue to receive games like Smarty Pants because that is the Wii audience. The Wii audience isn't Half Life, it isn't GTA, it isn't Madden. The Wii audience is however Carnival Games.

The Madden sells proves that point.

Maybe I missed it but can you tell me the release dates of GTA Wii and Half Life Wii?

 

[Zombie James]

It wasn't too long ago that Madden was the very definition of casual.

Maybe in the 16 and early 32-bit eras, but Madden's been increasingly sim-like for a while now.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

No, it means the Wii will continue to receive games like Smarty Pants because that is the Wii audience. The Wii audience isn't Half Life, it isn't GTA, it isn't Madden. The Wii audience is however Carnival Games.

The Madden sells proves that point.

This has to be some kind of paid professional troll. No one could be this thick on accident.

 

[jman2050]

Maybe in the 16 and early 32-bit eras, but Madden's been increasingly sim-like for a while now.

What does that have to do with its status as a casual game? Not that calling a game "casual" means anything, but I'm playing along for the hell of it.

 

[Jag22]

But people in this thread are saying there isn't a particular Wii audience. The Wii has all kinds of different gamers.

If that's true, then how can you say "Wii owners just aren't football fans". Isn't that contradictory?

 

[titiklabingapat]

But people in this thread are saying there isn't a particular Wii audience. The Wii has all kinds of different gamers.

If that's true, then how can you say "Wii owners just aren't football fans". Isn't that contradictory?

No it's not. Just because there are no(or relatively very little) football fans doesn't exclude any other groups from owning the system.

Just because I don't have a particula color of shirt doesn't mean all the shirts I own are black.

edit: beaten by the great Segata.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

But people in this thread are saying there isn't a particular Wii audience. The Wii has all kinds of different gamers.

If that's true, then how can you say "Wii owners just aren't football fans". Isn't that contradictory?

If I have a bowl of fruit and it has in it apples, oranges, bananas, pears, and peaches, I can say that my bowl has all kinds of different fruit in it. That there are no grapes in my bowl doesn't mean my bowl contains only one type of fruit.

 

[Regulus Tera]

This has to be some kind of paid professional troll. No one could be this thick on accident.

A sub-set of viral marketers mayhaps?

 

[Jag22]

No it's not. Just because there are no(or relatively very little) football fans doesn't exclude any other groups from owning the system.

Then you can't honestly say the Wii has "every type of gamer". Because going by what you're saying, it doesn't.

 

[titiklabingapat]

Then you can't honestly say the Wii has "every type of gamer". Because going by what you're saying, it doesn't.

Just because.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

A sub-set of viral marketers mayhaps?

Quick mods, trace his IP!

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Jag has won his point. You guys must concede that the Wii does not contain a significant number of each and every type of gamer on the planet.

This is definitely a major strike against the Wii.

 

[jman2050]

Then you can't honestly say the Wii has "every type of gamer". Because going by what you're saying, it doesn't.

Woooooooooooooooooooow

Straw man arguments galore here!

 

[DayShallCome]

Then you can't honestly say the Wii has "every type of gamer". Because going by what you're saying, it doesn't.

I think the point is that Wii owners don't like Madden on Wii. That's all that can really be gleaned from these sales numbers.

I mean, Wii sales of Tiger 08 outpaced both 360 and PS3 sales (not combined). What does that say about Wii's userbase?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

I think the point is that Wii owners don't like Madden on Wii. That's all that can really be gleaned from these sales numbers.

I mean, Wii sales of Tiger 08 outpaced both 360 and PS3 sales (not combined). What does that say about Wii's userbase?

Clearly it says that the PS3 and 360 only have FPS fans in their audience. I can tell from the Tiger Woods sells and seeing quite a few data analyses in my time.

 

[Regulus Tera]

I swear, this guy is killing me. :lol

 

[Jag22]

I think the point is that Wii owners don't like Madden on Wii. That's all that can really be gleaned from these sales numbers.

I mean, Wii sales of Tiger 08 outpaced both 360 and PS3 sales (not combined). What does that say about Wii's userbase?

Outpaced is definitely different than outsold.

 

[DayShallCome]

Outpaced is definitely different than outsold.

Okay, my mistake then. I meant outsold.

 

[Jag22]

Okay, my mistake then. I meant outsold.

are you sure? because there is a site out there that says differently.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

are you sure? because there is a site out there that says differently.

Hahaha, and what site is this, pray tell? Does it end with a 'z'?

 

[ElyrionX]

Hmmm, did Tiger Woods 08 on Wii really outpace the 360 and PS3 versions? Any link?

 

[legend166]

are you sure? because there is a site out there that says differently.

and away we go.

 

[Jag22]

why don't you just come out of the closet and say you are a raging fanboy?

No, just discussing NPD sales. The top 10 sales are very indicative of the industry right now. One of the biggest 3rd party releases of the year flopped on the Wii, while the first party games are going strong.

Which tells me that the trend of lackluster 3rd party Wii support will continue. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, i'm sure Nintendo loves having less competition.

 

[Speevy]

I predict a Jag23 registering in the near future.

 

[Flakster99]

Dear Jag22,

''Nobody likes you, you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. Now smile, you douche.''

 

[Flakster99]

Now for my somewhat serious reply.

No, just discussing NPD sales. The top 10 sales are very indicative of the industry right now. One of the biggest 3rd party releases of the year flopped on the Wii, while the first party games are going strong.

Which tells me that the trend of lackluster 3rd party Wii support will continue. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, i'm sure Nintendo loves having less competition.

Jag22, there is a mountain full of data available, charts and breakdowns between 1st and 3rd between all 3 consoles. I highly suggest you take the time and educate yourself.

 

[DayShallCome]

Hmmm, did Tiger Woods 08 on Wii really outpace the 360 and PS3 versions? Any link?

It was mentioned on one of the recent IGN podcasts. They were discussing the surprisingly solid 3rd party sales on Wii, and how some perceptions of success (or lack thereof) of such games on Wii were incorrect. They were looking at NPD data.

If no one remembers the episode, I'll check it out tomorrow when I'm by my computer.

 

[Jag22]

You can't deny that Madden is one of the 5 biggest 3rd party releases of every year. And the poor Madden sells vs the good Madden sells on the PS3/360 is why more 3rd party developers don't invest more in the Wii.

I really dunno how anyone can deny this point.

 

[Jag22]

Dear Jag22,

''Nobody likes you, you're ugly and your mother dresses you funny. Now smile, you douche.''

Throwing personal insults at someone because they don't agree with your opinion isn't the best way to get your point across.

 

[just tray]

Wii will win the hardware war
360 will win the software war
and PS3 won the format war

A victory for everyone now lets get back to gaming

 

[legend166]

No, just discussing NPD sales. The top 10 sales are very indicative of the industry right now.

No, they're not. They never are.

 

[Eteric Rice]

No, they're not. They never are.

Especially when it comes to the Wii.

 

[Jag22]

I always see a lot of 3rd party 360 games in the top 10 while the Wii always has multiple first party games.

Dunno how they aren't.

 

[markatisu]

No, they're not. They never are.

Exactly but he does not want to admit that a majority of Wii games follow the DS structure non impressive 1st month and then repetitive business the remainder of the year (see Madden 08 sales)

Under his logic every DS game is a flop, and that system has how many million sellers that never make it in the Top 10 by 3rd parties? Just saying

I always see a lot of 3rd party 360 games in the top 10 while the Wii always has multiple first party games.

Dunno how they aren't.

360 games are extremely front loaded, always have been. With few exceptions like COD4, GTAIV, but those are massive budget 3rd party releases on par with Nintendo 1st party

Madden 09 Wii was not that caliber :lol