Jimmy King
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Lmao this is amazing.
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August Wrasslin' |OT| Make a.. make a good...uh...a good wrestling thread
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Chie Satonaka
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What.
Is.
Happening.
Is.
Happening.
Welcome to the club, friend. A fair number of us have held these truths to be self-evident for years.
Bluekaveli
Member
I said that to myself about 20 minutes ago. Good interview.
It's true. Some people are still crying about Reigns being booed at the Rumble two years later.
Without Brock being able to go to the UFC for 2 years Vince has all of the control of Brock wants to work with this schedule.
Hidden One
Member
I think Dean will be fine.
Uno Venova
Banned
I really wanted Dean to refute that. How can you say he's been getting complacent, he's done his best promo work in the last two weeks.
Jimmy King
Member
Well, in this instance you can't blame them.They told Vince and co exactly what they wanted and got hit with the "nope."
You gotta know your audience, and in this case, they should've known their fans wouldn't be reasonable.
It's not that complicated from the fan's perspective.
DB was a great performer and the wanted to see him.
Roman Reigns is not.
Bluekaveli
Member
Doubtful, Hunter likes him so he's safe.
The Lesson: Don't Squash Big Feud People at Wrestlemania with other big name people.
How to do it right: The Rock squashing Eric Rowan at Wrestlemania. No one gives a shit about Eric Rowan, so it's okay to do.
I think he was getting at the complaints about Dean getting lazy before he won the title
BewareTheBatsie
Member
Without scripts we get Lucha Thing, guys.
A handful of guys might be good with improv, but most of the roster wouldn;t be.
A handful of guys might be good with improv, but most of the roster wouldn;t be.
Never know until you try for each guy.
TheSchwab_7
Member
lmao at Dean burying the Brock match.
Bluekaveli
Member
Have them do it until they get better man, that's the only way you'll learn.
JesseEwiak
Member
Sometimes, the fans are wrong, but when you don't get what you want, you should stop giving the company money instead of complaining on the Internet and ruining the show for the kids who just want to see their heroes win and the parents don't want to hear some overweight due with Cheetos fingers wearing a "I'm a Hugger" t-shirt chanting "Nikki sucks Cena" in the row behind them at a house show in Green Bay. .
BewareTheBatsie
Member
If they did that, we'd have people everywhere, including on this thread shitting on everyone who stumbles over one word for it.
sf2fanatic
Member
I'm digging this top 10 Eccentric Odd Jobs of all time.
Uno Venova
Banned
But honestly that didn't hurt kalisto and they really could have had some fun with that meme.
Discotheque
Banned
Bluekaveli
Member
The same people shitting on these people are the ones who wish they were on tv making the moneys. Like that botchmania shit is the dumbest shit ever and the one time I watched it and never understood how one could watch the other hundreds of them. People make mistakes, scripts or not as it happens in news all the time.
Hidden One
Member
Sami Zayn wasn't even used on RAW....Why the fuck wasn't he (and Cesaro) not Drafted to Smackdown!?!?!
Exactly.
They aren't great with scripts either. And the scripts suck.
Improv would at least give them the chance to be more creative and inject a little more of themselves into mic work.
Jimmy King
Member
It really sucks they didn't give him a backstage seg on SD or something to capitalize on that.
BewareTheBatsie
Member
Kalisto couldn't manage a backstage interview on a post-live show. For him or literally anyone else on the roster speaking in front of a 15,000+ crowd you are going to have a lot more misses' than hits.
Which is fine. I'd like no scripts either, I would. But I also recognize the fact that without scripts, a lot, if not most segments would be a goddamn mess. And I feel that the whole "oh they would improve with time and experience" would work, but at the same time you're talking a long time for some guys until they increase in which a lot of mistakes will happen on the road there.
What I'm trying to say is I get the hate for scripts but I also get the need for them.
JesseEwiak
Member
Here's the thing about scripts vs. no scripts - go back and watch the Attitude Era RAW's. Or Nitro's of that eras. Even "good promo" people had lots of pretty bad or meandering promos that didn't accomplish anything.
Not that I'm for scripting, but there's a danger that with live shows + no scripts, you get RAW's where Bret & Shawn go so long arguing with each other you miss the finish of the angle for the night.
Not that I'm for scripting, but there's a danger that with live shows + no scripts, you get RAW's where Bret & Shawn go so long arguing with each other you miss the finish of the angle for the night.
Jimmy King
Member
Blue, how are you feeling about SD tomorrow?
It's gonna be great!
It's gonna be great!
Uno Venova
Banned
Do people think that promos now are generally better than the attitude era? Before heavy scripting?
JesseEwiak
Member
I think like most things in the 'Corporate Era', it's evened everything out. So, we don't have the train wreck promos of Hogan, Nash, and Bischoff literally jerking each other off for 20 minutes in the ring anymore or total globbyedygook being said by wrestlers who have no idea what they're doing (again, go back to old Nitro's - a lot of time, Mean Gene basically did the promo for the wrestler), but by the same token, there's no longer any 'money' promos left, outside of Cena and Heyman.
I'll put it this way - scripting got rid of the D & F promo's, but it also got rid of the A promo's.
Same thing with matches in the WWE style - sure, there's no longer for the most part any terrible train wreck matches anymore near the main event, but everything is so homogenized that there aren't any classics anymore. Just lots of pretty good matches that get praise because most of the hardcore fan base hasn't watched anything outside of the Attitude Era and stuff since the Pipebomb.
sf2fanatic
Member
So how many shoots you guys give the DMBrose interview?
We have more F promos than ever today.
Promos don't even need to make sense. Look at the hard times promo and the money it drew.
What kind of worker pays his own wages?
That didn't matter because of the emotion and the fact it was treated and felt real.
Think anyone actually cares to see Miz defend a title that nobody cares about?
Promos don't even need to make sense. Look at the hard times promo and the money it drew.
What kind of worker pays his own wages?
That didn't matter because of the emotion and the fact it was treated and felt real.
Think anyone actually cares to see Miz defend a title that nobody cares about?
Professor Beef
Banned
There's a grey area to scripting. Guys like The Rock didn't need one, just a basic outline of points to hit. Other guys who are mush mouths like Brock either need someone to talk for them, or need a script.
Brock is very good at promos in the UFC
It all goes back to head creative and the fact that a company is public.
i don't even understand how you get to this level without knowing how to cut a promo without a script
unless you're a talentless hack like roman reigns who is handed a high up position based on his look alone
Jimmy King
Member
I watched that Finn promo.
That was some goofy ass shit. But it was so "goofy ass shit" that I liked it. Need more dumb crazy stuff like that.
That was some goofy ass shit. But it was so "goofy ass shit" that I liked it. Need more dumb crazy stuff like that.
sf2fanatic
Member
So who's the maroon that paid for Sin Cara's horrible DLC?
The problem with scripting for me really comes down the quality of the writing. No one really gets to stand out as every character feels the same. Things like character motivations and giving each character a unique voice just don't really happen under the current model. Exceptions being those lucky few who are given more freedom to shape their promos, or can inject some life into their scripts. Everyone else just feels really homogenized and samey.
Bluekaveli
Member
Maybe they should give them options until they're comfortable. In this company you've gotta rock the mic or you almost go no where,that's the hardest thing .
You can't lose tomorrow, just go out and put on some good wrestling. Easier said than done though.
sf2fanatic
Member
Did Lana just lifted her dress higher than she's supposed to? Looked like a oops moment
JesseEwiak
Member
The vast majority of the modern roster has never been in an environment where promos mattered _and_ where they had free reign to cut whatever kind of promo they wanted. So they never learned, because frankly, cutting horrible promos in ROH or for PWG that doesn't mean your ready for promos in the WWE.
sf2fanatic
Member
Guys, Roman was great... I really liked that segment