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dity

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Oh sod it, got a call today "we went with different applicants". I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll never be employed no matter how much I try.
 
Oh sod it, got a call today "we went with different applicants". I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll never be employed no matter how much I try.

Sorry to hear. What's your industry?

It's kinda weird because everyone I know wound up landing in jobs somewhere, and mostly without relocating. They're not all great but I keep hearing all these horror stories on the net about job seeking :/
 

jambo

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Oh sod it, got a call today "we went with different applicants". I've resigned myself to the fact that I'll never be employed no matter how much I try.

Took my wife about 12 months, but she finally has permanent work again. Job market sucks at the moment.
 
Took my wife about 12 months, but she finally has permanent work again. Job market sucks at the moment.

I quit my job back in July last year, and only started part-time work 2 months ago. It's been hard because I'm trying to find something that suits me rather than just get a job, but the time has come where I'm running low on options (and savings) and will probably have to go with whatever I get.
 

dity

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Sorry to hear. What's your industry?

It's kinda weird because everyone I know wound up landing in jobs somewhere, and mostly without relocating. They're not all great but I keep hearing all these horror stories on the net about job seeking :/
Retail, was talking about it on the last page.

Outside of volunteering roles and a brief stint at Maccas (which I broke down at), no one will employ me. I've been technically unemployed for about 5 years. It doesn't matter how much I dress myself up, doesn't matter how enthusiastic I am or know how to do what the company wants, I just don't get employed. Apply for a job in Sydney when I have a car: "You're too far away", apply for a job locally "we went with different people", apply for a job before I have a car "you don't have transport", apply after I have a car and suddenly that's no longer a factor.

So really I feel like I'm not employed due to a lack of experience, but no one wants to employ me to give me experience. The whole "do volunteering" thing is hogwash. It doesn't matter how much retail I've done volunteering apparently.

I give up. I hate this country that simultaneously thinks I'm lazy for not having work and also won't give me a chance at work.
 

MoonGred

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Retail, was talking about it on the last page.

Outside of volunteering roles and a brief stint at Maccas (which I broke down at), no one will employ me. I've been technically unemployed for about 5 years. It doesn't matter how much I dress myself up, doesn't matter how enthusiastic I am or know how to do what the company wants, I just don't get employed. Apply for a job in Sydney when I have a car: "You're too far away", apply for a job locally "we went with different people", apply for a job before I have a car "you don't have transport", apply after I have a car and suddenly that's no longer a factor.

So really I feel like I'm not employed due to a lack of experience, but no one wants to employ me to give me experience. The whole "do volunteering" thing is hogwash. It doesn't matter how much retail I've done volunteering apparently.

I give up. I hate this country that simultaneously thinks I'm lazy for not having work and also won't give me a chance at work.


Hang in there.

I've been through exactly what you went through except I wasn't even a perm resident at the time. The job market in Australia really is soul crushing, I got rejected from stacking shelves at Aldi because I didn't have the correct experience
I worked in a supermarket when I was 16
, and numerous other jobs all for reason that didn't make any sense.
If there's anything that I've learnt is that just apply for everything, don't worry about being under qualified, people I've worked with have been hired for jobs way out of their league and vice versa.

Just keep applying!
 

Stackboy

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Hope you find something soon dity.

Fingers crossed Dity!


UC4 is not living up to the hype for me. There is nothing wrong with it, with the exception of the gunplay that's just downright awful, but nothing really stands out either.

I'm kind of feeling the same. The game is fine, but it doesn't really feel like much of a progression from UC3. I actually turned on aim assist lockon, because the shooting was so frustrating to me.
 
The fastest callback I ever got was from Defence Force recruiting. Seriously, it wasn't even 24 hours. Other jobs would wait weeks to call back for an interview, then leave me on the hook for weeks afterwards, only to reject me the moment the winning candidate put ink to paper. Knowing that I was one of four interviewees out of a pool of over a hundred applicants but still didn't get a job is not comforting, guys. Stop saying it.

The Air Force would be a great place to work though, especially if I got a posting at Amberley. Heck, I might even get to move into aeronautical instrumentation and comms, which was a pipe dream up until not too long ago. Career wise, a few years in the ADF wouldn't be a bad thing.

Trouble is, I'd be starting at the bottom officer rung, which means terrible pay for the first few years in spite of my private sector leadership experience, plus there's no guarantee I'd be posted somewhere my wife could find work.

Of course there's also the possibility that I would fail the physical fitness requirements and not get in. I'm not 17 anymore, nor am I doing 50 push-ups and 100 body crunches every morning. I've started to notice old injuries give me trouble once in a while as well. Plus there's being away from home during the officer and technical training phase, which is harder now than back when I was single.
 

MoonGred

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Hope you find something soon dity.



I'm kind of feeling the same. The game is fine, but it doesn't really feel like much of a progression from UC3. I actually turned on aim assist lockon, because the shooting was so frustrating to me.

I'm now at chapter 20 and still feel exactly the same, I fail to see how people describe the jump from 3-4 as big as 1-2, the only difference is that they've actually given the characters some back story, which still isn't changing my feelings towards them, and opened up the map, but have yet to give a good incentive to explore alternative paths.
This may be controversial but I preferred ROTR over UC4, mainly because of the gun play.
 
Retail, was talking about it on the last page.

Outside of volunteering roles and a brief stint at Maccas (which I broke down at), no one will employ me. I've been technically unemployed for about 5 years. It doesn't matter how much I dress myself up, doesn't matter how enthusiastic I am or know how to do what the company wants, I just don't get employed. Apply for a job in Sydney when I have a car: "You're too far away", apply for a job locally "we went with different people", apply for a job before I have a car "you don't have transport", apply after I have a car and suddenly that's no longer a factor.

So really I feel like I'm not employed due to a lack of experience, but no one wants to employ me to give me experience. The whole "do volunteering" thing is hogwash. It doesn't matter how much retail I've done volunteering apparently.

I give up. I hate this country that simultaneously thinks I'm lazy for not having work and also won't give me a chance at work.

Finding a job retail is generally about two things:

1. Random timing for an opening as you apply.
2. Knowing someone to get you the job.

Literally just walk into the same retailers weekly with your resume, pick the ones you really like and get the same person each week if you can until something opens up. Phone them weekly even. The easiest way to get work is a job agency, they literally get paid to put you in a job and keep you there. The other option is to contact a retail chain's head office and speak with HR, they know what stores are hiring usually. Another aspect is seasonal timing for part time/casual work in retail. If you're older retail is hard to get into because the owners want to pay for cheap young labour.

Try agencies that specialise in retail like these:
http://www.rwr.net.au/contact/sydney
http://www.hays.com.au/jobs/retail-jobs/index.htm

Also temping is an easier role to get than a full time job that often leads to part/full time hiring. Also temp agencies usually have work all over. You'll need to ignore the bullshit answers they give for not hiring you by the way, more often than not they're just a smoke screen to say no. Many jobs are filled before they're even advertised too, it's the law that they have to be advertised so they do adverts but in reality it's a friend of a friend already getting the job. Best of luck mate.
 

Rizzi

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Retail, was talking about it on the last page.

Outside of volunteering roles and a brief stint at Maccas (which I broke down at), no one will employ me. I've been technically unemployed for about 5 years. It doesn't matter how much I dress myself up, doesn't matter how enthusiastic I am or know how to do what the company wants, I just don't get employed. Apply for a job in Sydney when I have a car: "You're too far away", apply for a job locally "we went with different people", apply for a job before I have a car "you don't have transport", apply after I have a car and suddenly that's no longer a factor.

So really I feel like I'm not employed due to a lack of experience, but no one wants to employ me to give me experience. The whole "do volunteering" thing is hogwash. It doesn't matter how much retail I've done volunteering apparently.

I give up. I hate this country that simultaneously thinks I'm lazy for not having work and also won't give me a chance at work.

You are not alone. This is my experience too. It sucks a fat one.
 

dity

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Finding a job retail is generally about two things:

1. Random timing for an opening as you apply.
2. Knowing someone to get you the job.

Literally just walk into the same retailers weekly with your resume, pick the ones you really like and get the same person each week if you can until something opens up. Phone them weekly even. The easiest way to get work is a job agency, they literally get paid to put you in a job and keep you there. The other option is to contact a retail chain's head office and speak with HR, they know what stores are hiring usually. Another aspect is seasonal timing for part time/casual work in retail. If you're older retail is hard to get into because the owners want to pay for cheap young labour.

Try agencies that specialise in retail like these:
http://www.rwr.net.au/contact/sydney
http://www.hays.com.au/jobs/retail-jobs/index.htm

Also temping is an easier role to get than a full time job that often leads to part/full time hiring. Also temp agencies usually have work all over. You'll need to ignore the bullshit answers they give for not hiring you by the way, more often than not they're just a smoke screen to say no. Many jobs are filled before they're even advertised too, it's the law that they have to be advertised so they do adverts but in reality it's a friend of a friend already getting the job. Best of luck mate.

Well, I'm 24. So like... am I screwed?

Also, I used to drop in resumes. Until businesses started telling me "we do that online now" and wouldn't take my resume.

Also, job agencies. Are they different to JSPs? Because I've been with 4 Job Service Providers and I'm fairly certain they're a scam.
 

Jintor

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but how about spending time in a 'work internship' for less than minimum wage tho while probably still having to do a bunch of shitty centerlink employments at the same time
 
Didn't realise they sold comic books. I assume just a handful of movie tied in trades and not a full weekly comic selection you'd find in an actual comic store?

i don't go into too many comic book shops, but the ones I have been in over the last year are pretty much 3/4 toys and collectibles anyway.

Retail, was talking about it on the last page.

Outside of volunteering roles and a brief stint at Maccas (which I broke down at), no one will employ me. I've been technically unemployed for about 5 years. It doesn't matter how much I dress myself up, doesn't matter how enthusiastic I am or know how to do what the company wants, I just don't get employed. Apply for a job in Sydney when I have a car: "You're too far away", apply for a job locally "we went with different people", apply for a job before I have a car "you don't have transport", apply after I have a car and suddenly that's no longer a factor.

So really I feel like I'm not employed due to a lack of experience, but no one wants to employ me to give me experience. The whole "do volunteering" thing is hogwash. It doesn't matter how much retail I've done volunteering apparently.

I give up. I hate this country that simultaneously thinks I'm lazy for not having work and also won't give me a chance at work.

Finding a job retail is generally about two things:

1. Random timing for an opening as you apply.
2. Knowing someone to get you the job.

Literally just walk into the same retailers weekly with your resume, pick the ones you really like and get the same person each week if you can until something opens up. Phone them weekly even. The easiest way to get work is a job agency, they literally get paid to put you in a job and keep you there. The other option is to contact a retail chain's head office and speak with HR, they know what stores are hiring usually. Another aspect is seasonal timing for part time/casual work in retail. If you're older retail is hard to get into because the owners want to pay for cheap young labour.

Try agencies that specialise in retail like these:
http://www.rwr.net.au/contact/sydney
http://www.hays.com.au/jobs/retail-jobs/index.htm

Also temping is an easier role to get than a full time job that often leads to part/full time hiring. Also temp agencies usually have work all over. You'll need to ignore the bullshit answers they give for not hiring you by the way, more often than not they're just a smoke screen to say no. Many jobs are filled before they're even advertised too, it's the law that they have to be advertised so they do adverts but in reality it's a friend of a friend already getting the job. Best of luck mate.

Well, I'm 24. So like... am I screwed?

Also, I used to drop in resumes. Until businesses started telling me "we do that online now" and wouldn't take my resume.

Also, job agencies. Are they different to JSPs? Because I've been with 4 Job Service Providers and I'm fairly certain they're a scam.

You're 24. You're not screwed I would suggest you need to try a different approach.
AS I have alluded to in the past, before getting this job, I was out of full-time work/freelancing for close to 5 1/2 years, and that was with a mountain of experience. Not quite at the place where it's age related, partially because I was applying for places OS where they'd need to sponsor and I was quite a niche part of the games industry where the competition is people working for free.

So I found that it if you're getting interviews but not connecting, there are two main reasons why you don't get the job. If you're getting the interview, the resume is fine and you're on the right track. The interview is there to decide not whether you can do the job but whether they can work with you. This works in a big corporation or a shop with three employees. So when they look at your resume, they're looking for reasons to hire you, and the interview is to find reasons not to hire you.

1- you were there to make the numbers- they had someone in mind, either an internal promotion, making a current temp into a fulltime employee or someone's mate, but their HR policies preclude them from hiring without advertising (oh god do I hate this).

2- is more likely: you said or did something in the interview that took them aback.
You have to treat an interview like you're meeting someone's very formidable, prudish, strict and proper grandparents, the sort where you have to turn into a completely different person.
You have to project confidence and you have to show you're comfortable with the work they are doing. You also have to be very mindful that you smile, that you look at the interviewer in the face (this is hard for some, myself included), that you don't smile or make inappropriate jokes (even if the interviewer does), best not to joke but smile amd laugh at their jokes.
You can't bring anything up in the interview that is a downer or makes the interview feel ever so slightly bad, ashamed, embarrassed or sad. I'm so serious. You cannot complain about former employers or your former manager or their technology or facilities. You shouldn't bring up personal stuff (illness, family stuff). You need to show you're amenable and friendly, but not an indiscreet gossip, depressive or a drunk (even if you are a gossip, depressive or a drunk). A job interview is not a place to be deprecating of anyone. Not yourself, not others, no one. Everything is joy and awesome. It's also okay to be a little nervous. Just a little but don't sweat it.

3- always have a few well thought out questions at the end when say "any questions?" Don't ask about pay or conditions or perks, ask about the team activities and training opportunities, etc

4- send the simple follow up email, letter or call the next day: "thanks for the interview, hope to talk" again soon. Don't pester, if you get it they'll contact you. Follow up in a week or two but just be warned if you have to follow up, it's probably bad news. That's ok. It's ok.

If you did fuck up in an interview, learn from it so you're prepared for next time.
As for getting to that point, friends can help you if they're prepared to help. Not always but they can be instrumental in getting your resume noticed.

wall o' text above. oops
 
I'm now at chapter 20 and still feel exactly the same, I fail to see how people describe the jump from 3-4 as big as 1-2, the only difference is that they've actually given the characters some back story, which still isn't changing my feelings towards them, and opened up the map, but have yet to give a good incentive to explore alternative paths.
This may be controversial but I preferred ROTR over UC4, mainly because of the gun play.
The gunplay in UC3 was terrible. The gunplay in UC4 is much better. That's the biggest leap. It took me a while to get used to it but I'm not having any trouble nailing people first shot with the Barok now.

Beyond that, the facial animation/mocap in UC4 is the best I've ever seen in the medium. Subtlety and nuance are actually able to be captured and then portrayed.

The jumping around stuff is what it is, and after playing previous UC games and Tomb Raider I'm starting to feel a little bit over it. The writing, graphics, audio design, and score are all brilliant though.

I'd personally rate UC4 as the second best game this gen (so far), behind The Witcher III: Wild Hunt. I've always rated the Uncharted games very highly though - the first two were two of my favourite games last gen.
 

dity

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Well, I did think it was suss that I got a call on Saturday for a Monday interview. It was very short notice. I got the call that I'd been rejected the next day (today). No one at my interview got told when they might expect a follow up either.

For context, it was a group interview. I was with 9 others. We had to bring an item for show and tell (I brought a figure I won with my partner), then we got asked a random question (I was asked "what superpower would you have, and why?" I said flying, because I like travelling and flying's fuel-free), then we assembled a lego playset as a team without instructions (I sorted pieces as I am not good with lego), then had a mock debate (Heath Ledger vs Leto as the Joker, kinda silly). It was a lighthearted and fun atmosphere. I did have fun.

I've never had an interview with a stern, super serious panel of employers. Only had one one-on-one actually (of which an aquaintence told me only 2 of like 100 applicants were hired because they reshuffled stafff).

Like, I try to be loud and enthusiastic in group interviews. I have drama and leadership experience from university. I may be a shut-in but I don't think I'm shy.

And I'm sorry Clive I don't wanna be a downer but after 5 years I've kinda heard all that. I'm not fresh out of school, thinking I'm separated from adults and whatnot. You gotta be appropriate and respectful. But nothing I do works. Putting up a metaphorical big banner that says "I understand the subject matter and can work the equipment and look I'm good with talking to people please hire me" doesn't seem to work. But neither did the quiet "yes sir" formal dress heavily introverted version of myself some years ago. Pull a 180 and things still don't work. I'm at a loss.
 

Deeku

Member
I'll add myself to the finding a job woes too - my situation isn't super bad but still pretty depressing. Really doesn't help when companies in my industry are in cost cutting mode:/

Solid advice there Clive, especially number 2. I've bungled enough interviews over the past year that I think I'm slowly learning lol!
 
Great advice there Clive.

As someone who has done his fair share of interviewing candidates (either as part of a panel or as the direct manager), for me the interview is mainly to ensure their CV wasn't bullshit, that they'll fit into the office culture (I've rejected someone who would've fit TERRIBLY onto an office before, they would've hated it), and that I can work with them. One time I arranged a followup casual lunch with a potential employee who was horribly nervous but I still liked.

I've made plenty of mistakes, once I told a panel I broke the law (hacked a password at my manager's request), and once I had to program software live in front of a panel of interviewers.

Interviews are fucking dumb.
 

MoonGred

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The gunplay in UC3 was terrible. The gunplay in UC4 is much better. That's the biggest leap. It took me a while to get used to it but I'm not having any trouble nailing people first shot with the Barok now.

Beyond that, the facial animation/mocap in UC4 is the best I've ever seen in the medium. Subtlety and nuance are actually able to be captured and then portrayed.

The jumping around stuff is what it is, and after playing previous UC games and Tomb Raider I'm starting to feel a little bit over it. The writing, graphics, audio design, and score are all brilliant though.

I'd personally rate UC4 as the second best game this gen (so far), behind The Witcher III: Wild Hunt. I've always rated the Uncharted games very highly though - the first two were two of my favourite games last gen.

Fair enough, as I said it's not a bad game by any means at all, the only thing I can really complain about is that it doesn't live up to the hype, and that's not something you can fault the game for.
I'm happy that the majority of people enjoy it, personally I was hoping it would capture me like UC2 did.
 
Well, I did think it was suss that I got a call on Saturday for a Monday interview. It was very short notice. I got the call that I'd been rejected the next day (today). No one at my interview got told when they might expect a follow up either.

For context, it was a group interview. I was with 9 others. We had to bring an item for show and tell (I brought a figure I won with my partner), then we got asked a random question (I was asked "what superpower would you have, and why?" I said flying, because I like travelling and flying's fuel-free), then we assembled a lego playset as a team without instructions (I sorted pieces as I am not good with lego), then had a mock debate (Heath Ledger vs Leto as the Joker, kinda silly). It was a lighthearted and fun atmosphere. I did have fun.

I've never had an interview with a stern, super serious panel of employers. Only had one one-on-one actually (of which an aquaintence told me only 2 of like 100 applicants were hired because they reshuffled stafff).

Like, I try to be loud and enthusiastic in group interviews. I have drama and leadership experience from university. I may be a shut-in but I don't think I'm shy.

And I'm sorry Clive I don't wanna be a downer but after 5 years I've kinda heard all that. I'm not fresh out of school, thinking I'm separated from adults and whatnot. You gotta be appropriate and respectful. But nothing I do works. Putting up a metaphorical big banner that says "I understand the subject matter and can work the equipment and look I'm good with talking to people please hire me" doesn't seem to work. But neither did the quiet "yes sir" formal dress heavily introverted version of myself some years ago. Pull a 180 and things still don't work. I'm at a loss.

What I've written is about my experience (never did one as part of a group of interviewees, so I can't imagine how awful they are.

It's not about wearing a tie. It's about projecting professionalism even if you're wearing jeans and sneakers- I haven't worn a tie since I was at school.

But the point is, after an extended period, you have to stop looking at external factors and figure out there's something you're doing wrong. I can't tell you what that is. You just need to work out where it's going tits up. It took me way too long to do that. Some of the stuff you've written about bugs me in that those employers think they'll get anyone but the most irritating and obnoxious staff for those retail jobs.

Either way, I wish you- and everyone who's looking for something- the very best of luck.
 

dity

Member
What I've written is about my experience (never did one as part of a group of interviewees, so I can't imagine how awful they are.

It's not about wearing a tie. It's about projecting professionalism even if you're wearing jeans and sneakers- I haven't worn a tie since I was at school.

But the point is, after an extended period, you have to stop looking at external factors and figure out there's something you're doing wrong. I can't tell you what that is. You just need to work out where it's going tits up. It took me way too long to do that. Some of the stuff you've written about bugs me in that those employers think they'll get anyone but the most irritating and obnoxious staff for those retail jobs.

Either way, I wish you- and everyone who's looking for something- the very best of luck.

The only thing I can place it at is my experience. Because getting to the interview phase is a miracle, which is why I get so let down when it doesn't work out. But I have no idea how to fix the problem, because volunteering sure isn't helping.
 
back to games

I have been loving Doom, even with everything switched either off or to minimum to play it on my work PC (the only one I currently have access to). So much fun and it was a game I was going to ignore (I personally don't rate Machine Games' Wolfenstein as better than decent) but I am glad I got this. I just wish I'd gotten a console version for home.

At home though I have recently blasted through the X1 BC versions of JC2 and Alan Wake and followed that with trying out the Games with Gold version of SRIV which I just found like a poor imitation of every decent open-world game so that only lasted an hour or two. I also picked up Mad Max cheaply and again, I've been rather disappointed by it. Looks and runs great on X1 but so much about the design makes it feel sluggisg and not all that fun. I'll stick with it for a few more days.

Next week I'm popping over to mainlaind Europe and will pick up my old PS4 from friends who brought it from Australia for me. That means when I get back I have Uncharted 4, Ratchet and Clank and possibly Overwatch to look forward to.

E3's only a month or so away. Can't wait. Looking forward to all the games we'll play in
2017.
 
The only thing I can place it at is my experience. Because getting to the interview phase is a miracle, which is why I get so let down when it doesn't work out. But I have no idea how to fix the problem, because volunteering sure isn't helping.
Getting to the interview phase does seem to be a miracle right now. Even entry level jobs are getting more applicants than the recruitment staff can handle.

One thing you could do is to do mock interviews. There are places that do them and if you ask nicely, maybe you could get multiple runs at it. I don't know what's in your local are though, so see if anyone around does it.

Apart from that, I suppose getting hair cuts and shaving will only get you so far. The only way to become more employable-looking that you have any control over whatsoever (tall good looking people get jobs easier than the rest of us I'm afraid) would be to get ripped. It improves your posture, projects power and confidence and makes the men who see you subconsciously seek your approval and friendship. It doesn't hurt your first impressions on women either.

Easier said than done, of course.

A lot of that leadership nonsense they harp on about comes down to influencing to other people through their monkey brains. We're a flawed species with barely functional cognitive ability papered over with biological shortcuts with a patina of intellect stretched over the top. We like to think we're fair to everyone and always do the right thing, but the fact is we don't, so people fall through the cracks. If you know this and are in a position to do anything about it though, it might help to game the system.

Sorry for the non-advice.
 

Quasar

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Happy to see Youtube Red enabled in Oz. This is enough extra value to have me keep my google music sub going fter the trial runs out in a week.
 

jambo

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Of course. Thats not terribly helpful though without me manually ripping audio out of a youtube video and then uploading it to google music.

Yeah but you can just add any song in the Google Music library because YouTube Red comes with a Google Music Streaming Subscription.
 

Quasar

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Yeah but you can just add any song in the Google Music library because YouTube Red comes with a Google Music Streaming Subscription.

Assuming it exists in the sub service.

Certainly audio from video podcasts on youtube dont. Nor do weird covers.
 

Quasar

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PS4 returned by courier seemingly fixed.

Now for the bloody 10 hr backup restore. I really need a usb3 external drive and for the ps4 to support them.
 
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