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the argument is usually that if the government doesn't subsidise private schools.... they'll all rush back to the public system and the world will end....
but I doubt so..... for a percentage maybe.... but if you're already paying over 10k, I think there are other reasons valued over costs that come under parents' consideration...
eg: a religious education......or preventing the transmission of fleas from grotty public schoolers.
but I doubt so..... for a percentage maybe.... but if you're already paying over 10k, I think there are other reasons valued over costs that come under parents' consideration...
eg: a religious education......or preventing the transmission of fleas from grotty public schoolers.
I've spent years in private and public schools of differing demographics and in different states, and I can say that my experience in more affluent private schools (though certainly not $30k p.a., haha) was not of being spoon fed. The school, out of all I've been in, was best at teaching a fairly broad, academically oriented curriculum to its entire student base. The assessment and homework structures were surprisingly similar to those I've seen in the last years of high school. The school, to its credit, was not afraid to demand academic outcomes from its students.
I spent the last couple of years in a public senior secondary college. The quality of teaching was generally excellent and the school placed heavy emphasis on individual responsibility, making for comprehensive preparation for uni. It should be completely clear from the HSC lists that, public or private, what produces educational advantage is selectivity. Selective schools select for academic ability and so perform well in the league tables; likewise private schools select for socioeconomic advantage which correlates strongly with academic performance, so they too perform well in the league tables. The abysmal Tasmanian retention rate has a lot to do with why the senior secondary colleges here provide such a great, tertiary-like educational environment. Less academically inclined students either leave school and do VET subjects or leave education altogether.
Though it is likely to the detriment of society at large, better resourced education in a somewhat selective environment can and does boost academic outcomes for many individuals. Saying that private schools don't teach their students to learn betrays ignorance, because clearly many do it very well. Saying that private schools create perceived deficiencies of character seems similarly short sighted, as this brand of cultural class warfare has existed for far, far longer than our particular model of school funding.
I just remembered what I hated about my private school, and probably private schools in general.
Uniforms are ridiculously expensive! I don't remember the exact prices, but I would say a blazer, shirt and pants combo was probably 400 bucks plus. Then you had to buy PE uniforms for your house, then winter sport and summer sport uniforms, it was crazy.
My parents also decided to cheap out on my school pants in the first year of highschool (year 7) and bought some elsewhere that were a slightly different shade, so I got laughed at for a year as the wrong pants kid
Music instruments too, school tried to make my parents buy a xylophone because I was good at it. Xylophones are expensive! They ended up giving me one and a drum kit for a while which was alright lol
Uniforms are ridiculously expensive! I don't remember the exact prices, but I would say a blazer, shirt and pants combo was probably 400 bucks plus. Then you had to buy PE uniforms for your house, then winter sport and summer sport uniforms, it was crazy.
My parents also decided to cheap out on my school pants in the first year of highschool (year 7) and bought some elsewhere that were a slightly different shade, so I got laughed at for a year as the wrong pants kid
Music instruments too, school tried to make my parents buy a xylophone because I was good at it. Xylophones are expensive! They ended up giving me one and a drum kit for a while which was alright lol
Doncamatic
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Also for Marsh and anyone else who is going to be playing SWTOR I'm on the server Daragon Trail scratch that, moved over to Swiftsure which is the unofficial oceanic server.
Yoshiya you're TasGAF as well? :O
I went to a high school with a pretty bad reputation, but then once I hit College I really started to learn. Had a few hiccups on the way mind you, but pretty happy where I ended up overall, with two degrees under my belt and likely to be a third.
Also self-taught guitar over here, haven't played in a few years, can't read music
I went to a high school with a pretty bad reputation, but then once I hit College I really started to learn. Had a few hiccups on the way mind you, but pretty happy where I ended up overall, with two degrees under my belt and likely to be a third.
Also self-taught guitar over here, haven't played in a few years, can't read music
reptilescorpio
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This makes me pretty fucking angry. Why not spend 2/3 of the equivalent of my yearly wage on a report taken from Wikipedia and a 6 week holiday. Fucking clowns.
Pffft! Private school twats/pricks! Public school for life!
Most of the public schools out our area (North West Victoria) we just happy if people turned up. Most of the teachers were cruising to retirement and didn't give too shits as long as we didn't throw too many erasers at them. In contrast when my sister went to a private school for VCE the pressure got to her so much she tried to kill herself one night, it was a range of reasons of course but the intense importance that was put on getting 99.25 was a large contributor. She got a 99 in any case so all good, future lawyer in the family!
Public primary school, private high school.
I will play Mercutio to this ignoble squabble.
They bumped it up to $119 on the It's Not Cheating website =[
http://www.microsoft.com/student/office/en-au/default.aspx
I got my copy for $49 back in the day
http://www.microsoft.com/student/office/en-au/default.aspx
I got my copy for $49 back in the day
Screw school man, I learn more stuff by just reading Salazar posts!
reptilescorpio
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Maybe try your local PC builder too. I ended up getting a second Win7 key for $30 from some random deal that came up on OzBargain one day so I have that installed for my parents.
Speaking of OzBargain look upon the squabble of religious discussion! Hilarious.
Also FE3R for $15? Not bad. Not great but hey.
Team Siren or bust in my opinion.
Speaking of OzBargain look upon the squabble of religious discussion! Hilarious.
Also FE3R for $15? Not bad. Not great but hey.
Team Siren or bust in my opinion.
I meant Castlevania related, my mistake.
Personally I hope it's another DS/3DS game but I kind of doubt it
Cute.
Personally I hope it's another DS/3DS game but I kind of doubt it
Cute.
Aschem and the boys version of aschem charge that
kids that go there are celebrity and bank ceo kids
I wish I was better at piano. I don't have the dexterity for fast pieces.
you clearly didnt have tiger mum who made her kids practice until they got it right to eat
shanshan310
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Yeah, I have a lot of trouble reaching keys to make chords :'( curse my tiny hands.
fappenmeister
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Pretty much this. I am tired and broken.
My cousin has these awesome long fingers and he uses them to be awesome at battlefield instead
shanshan310
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Violin, bass, piano, percussion, castanet, works for me!I'm not sure if that's a waste or not...
Any room for a castanet player?
!!! :O
Give me three years to get proficient at piano and I'm in.
Wait a sec, so you're telling me that Ascham Girls charge 120k a year? I'm pretty sure that's wrong so prove me wrong choc! And what is boy Ascham lol?
<3shanshan310 said:Any room for a castanet player?
codswallop
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'unbelievably reminiscent of the 9/11 attacks on the World Trade Centre'
Seriously? I didn't even see it until it was pointed out. Looks like two tall square buildings with a bit in the middle. Should we not build any buildings that are square and tall in the future?
Some places do charge these sorts of fees.
Ten bucks staff and students edition, yeah!
What are these crazy schools you speak of? These massive fees would only make sort of sense if it's boarding and the kid is an international student. Otherwise it makes no sense! International uni students probably don't pay even half of that.
I've just been reading a book that would drive you
bananas, Choc. The Public School Phenomenon, by Jonathan Gathorne-Hardy. Referring to Winchester, Eton, Repton, Westminster, Harrow, Rugby and such. Back to the days of having a new boy toast your bread for you over open flames with his bare hands.
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codswallop
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My bad, Kilmore International comes to about $55k for international students. I know someone who used to work there and I'm sure he told me it was more.
Some others in Vic:
Xavier College - would cost $44k
Haileybury
I can't find a link but Geelong Grammar is about $29k annually just for tuition.
But these don't include all the other oncosts mentioned above, like the mandatory (expensive!) uniforms, sport (summer, winter) uniforms, instruments, excursions and the like. I'm sure these would add at least $5-10k a year.
Public4lyfe!
shanshan310
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I went to a public school and did pretty well without needing to pay all those private school fees I'd say it really depends on the person. Some people need an extra push to get things done, and public schools can't provide that.
I'd say it really depends on the person. Some people need an extra push to get things done, and public schools can't provide that.Fuck yeah! brofist.tif (no compression for ultimate brofist)
Also, I bought Win7 last w/e with my PC parts, set me back $139 for the one down from Ultimate. Pro? Still, money well spent.
I bags 1st Recorder. I owned that shit in primary school.Any room for a castanet player?
Also, have a shitload of Christmas presents now sorted... so long as ThinkGeek maintains their awesome record of me receiving stuff within a week. Would be SOL if my folks hadn't just bought an LCD TV though. Bluray players that play MKVs for $79 are awesome... and provide endless opportunities for moar presents in the future by way of moar blurays.
I still have no idea what I want, though. On behalf of my parents, I bought the Futurama Benderhead box set (no BR, just DVD
) for $100 but other than that, no idea what I'd even like or what anyone else is getting me (though I did mention the idea of the Senna SE BR).Gah. I hate being so busy that I can't check GAF at work. My work ethic has picked up tremendously since getting this ADHD shit sorted.
I went to a public school and did pretty well without needing to pay all those private school fees
If you're paying quite a bit to go to a school though, you should be able to opt out of swimming carnivals. No questions asked, no pressure exerted. Just tick a box on enrolment.
And at least the Australian independent school system, contemptible though it may be, is free of this kind of compounding dysfunction:
Written in 1955. Probably didn't cease to be quite substantially true until the late 70s.
+1 for swimming carnival hate. Had to get rescued from the middle of the pool once because I kinda died after half a lap:/
Athletics sucked too because all the lazy kids like me would choose the 100m since it was compulsory to do one event. But then the sports master somehow filters out all the lazy kids from the fast athletic kids and puts us all in the 800m...
Athletics sucked too because all the lazy kids like me would choose the 100m since it was compulsory to do one event. But then the sports master somehow filters out all the lazy kids from the fast athletic kids and puts us all in the 800m...
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