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AusGAF 5/5 - Everything's Amazing and Nobody's Happy, a rental at best

Yagharek

Member
It was a baited question so that Vince could reel off his list of cons about PC gaming.

As in if Omi said, "Having higher quality visuals" Vince could say "Well too bad that PC ports are glitchy and graphics cards have driver problems that hurt the experience, especially day one". etc

Typical way for people with an agenda to deliberately misread an offhand comment. All I said was "I'm glad I dont have to muck around with PC stuff" and suddenly it becomes a rant.

I didn't rant - you lot had canned responses and went ahead regardless. Damned either way.


All Im saying is this:
God I love not bothering with PC configuration.

Does not have anything to do with what Omi assumes it does:

I love owning one device that does everything.
 
Typical way for people with an agenda to deliberately misread an offhand comment. All I said was "I'm glad I dont have to muck around with PC stuff" and suddenly it becomes a rant.

I didn't rant - you lot had canned responses and went ahead regardless. Damned either way.
Didn't expect a rant, just expected you to say that you didn't have to muck around with PC stuff when Omi replied about the reasons why he loves owning a PC. Not sure what agenda I have?


Don't make me post a 8.40Mb GIF of Kate Upton

Speaking of which, there's been far, far, FAR too many K-idol (or whatever) pictures posted in this thread for some strange, bizarre and VERY unsettling reason. Here's Ms. Anna Kendrick, the antidote:
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She is indeed very attractive.

I hear Karen Gillan is one of the hottest chicks on the planet.
Not a fan for some reason, I think she comes off as looking like someone who would be a bitch in real life in pictures I have seen. Not sure. Usually red heads do it for me.

The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was excellent, you should all go watch it.
It's out now? Only problem now is finding time to go drive all the way to Geelong to see it! Cinema here is fucking horrible. Shitty small screen, shitty audio setup, shitty theatre, shitty overpriced tickets and refreshments.
 

Yagharek

Member
Your comment wasn't a canned response? Well.

No. It was more a bemused "ok, and?" because your comment made no sense in the context.

ie

Me: "I dont like mucking around with PCs"
You: "PCs do everything!"

You may have been right, but it wasnt relevant.
 

Omikron

Member
No. It was more a bemused "ok, and?" because your comment made no sense in the context.

ie

Me: "I dont like mucking around with PCs"
You: "PCs do everything!"

You may have been right, but it wasnt relevant.

Ok, according to you. To me it makes sense. I will leave it up to you to understand. :)

Doesn't really bother me either way.
 

Yagharek

Member
If I get accused of something falsely, I may as well do what I'm sentenced for. Double jeopardy and all that jazz, right?

As I said yesterday though, you were just looking for something to go at because of whatever reason you're tetchy for. I was just happy I dont have to deal with PC bullshit I used to ~10 years ago when I decided I was going to avoid mucking around with them in any detail.


Ok, according to you. To me it makes sense. I will leave it up to you to understand. :)

Doesn't really bother me either way.

Well you still dont get it, but no need to be obnoxious about it.
 
That Murdoch twitter HAS to be fake!

kritz and jintor sure as shit did. Nothing I said warranted a pile on.

No pile on intended. When you said you were happy you didn't have to worry about PC configurations Omi said he was happy that his PC did everything, to which you asked for what everything included.

Different horses, etc. Some people prefer consoles and some people prefer PC's, it has been discussed to death in Gaming. Actually, the PC debate has been quiet for quite a while now which is nice, couldn't go into any multiplatform thread for a long time without 50 odd posts of back and forth why PC's are worse/better than consoles.

Best just to have one of everything. That way you get Uncharted, <insert 360 exclusive here> AND high-end games (if you have the hardware).
 

Yagharek

Member
No pile on intended. When you said you were happy you didn't have to worry about PC configurations Omi said he was happy that his PC did everything, to which you asked for what everything included.

Different horses, etc. Some people prefer consoles and some people prefer PC's, it has been discussed to death in Gaming. Actually, the PC debate has been quiet for quite a while now which is nice, couldn't go into any multiplatform thread for a long time without 50 odd posts of back and forth why PC's are worse/better than consoles.

Best just to have one of everything. That way you get Uncharted, <insert 360 exclusive here> AND high-end games (if you have the hardware).

This has nothing to do with PCs vs anything. All I said was I dont like mucking around with PC configuration. Why is that impossible for others to understand?

Its obvious people here have no interest in having a discussion. Just waiting for the next topic to rage on. Enjoy.
 
I was just happy I dont have to deal with PC bullshit I used to ~10 years ago when I decided I was going to avoid mucking around with them in any detail.
This is a good point of discussion for us to focus on. The way that PC's have moved closer to the plug and play philosophy of consoles.

Steam has made huge inroads into drawing in gamers with the ease of use and having everything in one program. Which is a huge reason why I can understand people not wanting to have to use Origin et al for other PC games.

This has nothing to do with PCs vs anything. All I said was I dont like mucking around with PC configuration. Why is that impossible for others to understand?
2nd and 3rd paragraphs were discussion, not directed at the original comment you made Vince.

To elaborate on what Omi was saying (PC's do everything) there is very little configuration required these days with PC games. Steam is easiest, just click buy then click install. 99% of the time it will work perfectly. Other avenues like GFWL can bring up problems for something like 3% of people. Self updating drivers for GPU's means I never have to look at that side either.
 

Jintor

Member
It's not, but you could have just said that instead of being snide appearing to be snide.

oh man the grammar is all fucked up here. Appearing to have been snide? Appearing to snide? Appearing to le snide? I don't even know
 

hamchan

Member
This has nothing to do with PCs vs anything. All I said was I dont like mucking around with PC configuration. Why is that impossible for others to understand?

We understand, it's not like everyone likes mucking around with PC configs all day. That's the trade off for having something that can do everything though, and some people can deal with that while others can't.
 

midonnay

Member
portable computers have kinda made desktops outdated though...

you can get a netbook/laptop/tablet etc for several hundred bucks that is sufficient for most uses that doesn't involve joining Master Race.

I remember when 286s cost 5000 bucks.
 

Omikron

Member
portable computers have kinda made desktops outdated though...

you can get a netbook/laptop/tablet etc for several hundred bucks that is sufficient for most uses that doesn't involve joining Master Race.

I remember when 286s cost 5000 bucks.

That I am not sure about. It is different levels of need I think.

Tablets are great for reading the news, browsing the web, email etc.

Laptops are good for portable grunt if you need it. (ie wife loves hers because she uses photoshop a lot with photography)

Desktops are great for everything else listed above, plus all the extra bits not listed. (serving files, dev work, gaming etc etc)

My opinion of course, not endorsed by Vince.
 
portable computers have kinda made desktops outdated though...

you can get a netbook/laptop/tablet etc for several hundred bucks that is sufficient for most uses that doesn't involve joining Master Race.

I remember when 286s cost 5000 bucks.

I remember when the PS3 was 1000 bucks too. Everything comes down in price as it is produced for long enough. I love tablets and the Razer concept certainly is very interesting ot me. Even look at mobile phones. 2 years ago I was using the first Samsung touchscreen phone on Telstra which was a piece of shit by the time my contract was up. I am sure in 2 years time my Galaxy S2 will seem like a piece of shit too. Right now though it is an incredible experience. I remember being blown away by my parents first Pentium computer, just like my first quad core, Q6600, seemed like a dream.

If anything I think desktops and tablets will push netbooks and laptops into a smaller niche of the market than already taken. Tablets will improve far beyond what they currently are.

My current PC though is insanely powerful and I would never drop down to a laptop, especially for the price involved to be at that level.
 

Jintor

Member
it's definitely different levels of need. Desktops are the juggernauts of this table, with media production, heavy-duty media consumption, and other functions available above the norm. Tablets are great for media consumption but not production, laptops are great for brief media production and low-level media consumption. Smartphones with apps and all are fantastic for a variety of hithero unthought of services such as GPS-tracking related stuff (fitness routines, mapping etc) that are unavailable to other forms of computing.

It's a fuckin' rad world we live in.
 

Shaneus

Member
Cracks me up every time you say this.
:D

I can't remember where I saw/heard it first... might've been a TV show or movie? Loved it ever since, though.

She is indeed very attractive.
Been into her (figuratively) since I saw her in Up in the Air. Cute as all hell.
Usually red heads do it for me.
Speaking of which, Richie Cunningham's daughter was sizzling in 50/50.


Hey AusGAF. I'm mostly happy with my HT setup but I think I'm over the one-way, mid-lacking satellite speakers. Would these be a reasonable enough step-up in quality to justify the price? They're 6-ohm (the Logitech speakers they'd be replacing are 8-ohm) and while I'd still be using the sub included with the Logitech kit, the Sherwood sub I could give a good home to as a cheap-as-shit sub for my PC (if I got an amp for it).
 
Hey AusGAF. I'm mostly happy with my HT setup but I think I'm over the one-way, mid-lacking satellite speakers. Would these be a reasonable enough step-up in quality to justify the price? They're 6-ohm (the Logitech speakers they'd be replacing are 8-ohm) and while I'd still be using the sub included with the Logitech kit, the Sherwood sub I could give a good home to as a cheap-as-shit sub for my PC (if I got an amp for it).

Before I went headphone only I was rocking the Logitech X-530's which were great. JB have the Z506 for $77

EDIT: I don't understand audio setups so ignore me please
 

midonnay

Member
If anything I think desktops and tablets will push netbooks and laptops into a smaller niche of the market than already taken. Tablets will improve far beyond what they currently are.

My current PC though is insanely powerful and I would never drop down to a laptop, especially for the price involved to be at that level.

obviously my point wasn't concerning work applications but home use...

but I think it will go the other direction.

As the world upgrades to fibre network infrastructure.... desktops will gradually get even more niche.

eg: onlive gaming, cloud applications etc only need basic hardware and a fat pipe.
 
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Congrats! Hope the birthday went well

obviously my point wasn't concerning work applications but home use...

but I think it will go the other direction.

As the world upgrades to fibre network infrastructure.... desktops will gradually get even more niche.

eg: onlive gaming, cloud applications etc only need basic hardware and a fat pipe.

Main concern with cloud computing will be licencing. It is already a legal minefield with software and I wonder how it will go if we are using Photoshop through a Cloud service since our hardware can't run it locally. A lot of people will want their hand in the pie to make it profitable for them, not sure how well it will work on such a scale. They could specialist it out but that would still mean a huge market would need a PC to run programs from work at home.

I was really impressed with my time with Gaikai but with the infrastructure moving so slowly I can see it being a painful and expensive change. Inevitable though. All that is in question is how many years it will take before it will be up and running smoothly and efficiently.
 
Hey AusGAF. I'm mostly happy with my HT setup but I think I'm over the one-way, mid-lacking satellite speakers. Would these be a reasonable enough step-up in quality to justify the price? They're 6-ohm (the Logitech speakers they'd be replacing are 8-ohm) and while I'd still be using the sub included with the Logitech kit, the Sherwood sub I could give a good home to as a cheap-as-shit sub for my PC (if I got an amp for it).
What sort of budget are you working with? I assume you already have the processor and are just after monitors and a sub? Would you consider purchasing better fronts and sub and upgrading to the rears later?
 

midonnay

Member
its reliable for what it was designed for ....telephone calls

its just through a cute hack that we even got the internet working over it.....but its way past the use-by date.
 
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was excellent, you should all go watch it.

Indeedy. I would say it is now my favourite The Girl with the related piece of material. The books are tripe at times (bad translation or bad originally?) and the Swedish films aren't much better besides a magnificent performance by Noomi Rapace (>Rooney Mara who still performs decently).

I find it kinda funny.

I find it kinda sad.
 

midonnay

Member
I'm afraid to watch the Fincher version because I heard that it was really similar to the swedish film....

seems like something to catch up on home video ._.
 
I'm afraid to watch the Fincher version because I heard that it was really similar to the swedish film....

seems like something to catch up on home video ._.

It's not really. Although it's been a while since I saw the Swedish version so maybe I'm wrong.

It's always a special moment when you land upon an act of Wikipedia vandalism that has yet to be caught in the net of moderators.

poBUQ.jpg

Made me chortle, ty.
 

evlcookie

but ever so delicious
I just spent what is about 6 hours including breakfast pulling apart my pc and trying to reorganize things like cables on the outside. So far it's gone ok but it could have been better. I haven't rerouted all my internal cables and to my surprise the thick power plugs don't fit inside the $40 plastic box which is stupid. I guess I need to find new plugs for my modem and external drive.

Time to update and install everything D:

I love just sitting there pulling apart a machine and putting it back together. I could have done this shit all day long but I have 1tb of media to transfer to the server.

Can't believe I have to install iTunes. Makes me want to cry after all this
 

Kritz

Banned
I love just sitting there pulling apart a machine and putting it back together. I could have done this shit all day long but I have 1tb of media to transfer to the server.

That was basically my job for two and a half years.

No greater feeling than putting together your own rig and watching it boot successfully.

I think when my start of semester centrelink payment comes around, I might blow most of it on building a new PC. I've been meaning to make another primary desktop so I have something to use when I go around to my mother's house. Can't decide if I want to build something cheap or build something real good, though. Could probably build a decent mid-end gaming PC for about $800, or a decent high end for around $1300...
 

Danoss

Member
Would these be a reasonable enough step-up in quality to justify the price? They're 6-ohm (the Logitech speakers they'd be replacing are 8-ohm) and while I'd still be using the sub included with the Logitech kit, the Sherwood sub I could give a good home to as a cheap-as-shit sub for my PC (if I got an amp for it).

In a word, no. I think that's a bit much money to spend on such a small upgrade.

Don't take this the wrong way as I have done plenty of reading and experimenting into my thoughts here. I'm not poking fun at anyone's setup or budget and some of it is personal preference/opinion. I'm also not trying to give anyone a lecture.

You have to spend quite a lot of money to have a good/great sounding surround sound system. Due to the number of speakers involved, you also need quite a large space to accommodate the speakers and deliver the sound waves to the optimum listening position (far more room than most people actually have). Personally, I think delving into the world of surround sound is a waste of time, money and effort. I spent $3,000 on my current setup (that was when I was able to buy equipment at cost price, so it would have been considerably more), I bought it when I knew less than I should have. Don't get me wrong, the speakers and amp and great for the purpose, but overall it is rather disappointing.

For me, surround sound is a gimmick. It is a gimmick that will drain your wallet for years looking for that perfect setup as you continuously punch holes in whatever you currently have. There is always something missing. It's an especially expensive chase considering that those surround channels don't get used often enough to justify the price paid for them or the space set aside for them.

I find money is best spent in getting a good/great stereo setup. It will cost much less, need far less room to perform at its best, and will blow yourself and others away by the quality considerably more than most other peoples surround setups.

The stereo solution is different for each person as they will have different musical tastes, therefore demanding a different speaker. Some people prefer hearing a more bass-heavy sound, some, like myself, prefer a more balanced sound (though, as I predominantly listen to rock music, I do like mine to have a bit more punch). Below is the solution that myself and a friend enjoy as our tastes are rather similar.

After comparing a number of speakers side-by-side, all of them seeming to be missing something, the clerk mentioned there was a new arrival that he hadn't unpacked that may suit the sound I was after. He set them up, I listened to it compared to the others I had previously heard and when he switched to them, my jaw hit the floor and I said "I'll take them". Yes, the sound does change as the speaker beds in, but it has only improved. The range was spot-on and they had the right amount of punch. For me, they were perfect.

These speakers were

The amplifier that suits these and many stereo speakers is this amplifier here

There is an equivalent NAD branded model, which escapes me at the moment.

They're paired up with my computer, using the Asus Xonar Essence STX sound card, which is an incredible stereo source. Excluding my sound card, these came together for $1,000 (it was a great deal). Not bad at all considering it's not cost price and made me want to take a sledgehammer to the surround setup I paid $3k for.

The combination of the above puts me into a state of aural bliss. The clarity and presence of the music is amazing. The sound stage is great, it's like listening to the band play in front of you. The price is perfect and something you can own for many, many years and be perfectly content with. When you listen to something like this, the thought of surround sound doesn't even enter your mind, it doesn't matter at all.

As I mentioned, the above is just my (somewhat long-winded, now I look back on it) opinion. It's a setup I'm enamoured with and cannot forsee myself upgrading from. If you haven't thought of or listened to something such as this, I urge you to give it a look. Wander on down to your local reputable hi-fi store, bring your favourite CD and have a listen, even if you have no intent to buy. You may be surprised.
 

r1chard

Member
Fucking ESTA. The "Visa you have when you're having a Visa Waiver."

Pretty annoying but should be simple enough, except it's taken me over 2 hours to apply for three of the bastards because their website keeps timing out.

Here's an idea: take all those $14 charges for unncessary visas and buy a decent goddamn web server.



Actually, that makes me wonder. Does Claytons even exist any more?
 
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