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Fredescu

Member
Not really a great fan of rugby, but it seems like you could keep the current grounding rule and get rid of all the bullshit around it?
You can't really allow double movements or knockons. Perhaps you could call "held up" a try, but that's partway to removing the grounding requirement anyway.

I know that will never happen too, everyone seems to love their half hour of video replay these days.
Nah, what everyone "loves" is accusations of bias. Sport is parochial in nature, and sometimes you have to kill the flow of the sport to remove these accusations. Which one is more important? Soccer remains pure because the flow of the game is so important in that sport. Moreso than league.
 

Dead Man

Member
You can't really allow double movements or knockons. Perhaps you could call "held up" a try, but that's partway to removing the grounding requirement anyway.


Nah, what everyone "loves" is accusations of bias. Sport is parochial in nature, and sometimes you have to kill the flow of the sport to remove these accusations. Which one is more important? Soccer remains pure because the flow of the game is so important in that sport. Moreso than league.

Fair enough. As I said, not really familiar with all the rules.
 

Fredescu

Member
To be fair, even if they removed grounding, it would still be a poor live sport. It relies too heavily on angles and learning to watch the ref signal for fifth tackle all the time. You always feel like you're missing out on something when you're not watching it on TV. AFL by contrast is better live. You can see the players making their runs to receive a pass etc which you don't always get on TV.
 

Shaneus

Member
That's exactly what happens. The music might be out of copyright but recordings aren't and need to be licensed. It's not just hold music but there's huge pay once -use often collections of royalty free music for film production etc. The strangest one i can think of was when Tom ellard (severed heads) put out an 8 hour long collection of hold music he had written. Um.. yay?
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I saw him live last year. I can't remember who the support act was (or who he was supporting) but I remember both being fucking awesome. Was it Gary Numan maybe? Either way, finishing with Heart of the Party was AMAZING.
 
Rudd resigns as foreign minister.

Oh damn. That...was a bit anticlimactic. Was hoping for that to go on a bit longer.

Everything I have read has made it seem like a must have. Twitter has been glowing about it too.

Weird. I'm digging it, but the mandatory touch screen stuff (yeah, I know, launch game - gotta have it all) blows.

Make sure you get a free room, free food, free swimming pool, free HBO -- Ooh! "Free Willy"!

Hah. One of the first things I was told was that wasn't happening. At all.
 

Fredescu

Member
If there's a spill I'm fairly sure he can challenge from the back bench. He only retired as minister, not as member for <whatever>.
 

Danoss

Member
To be fair, even if they removed grounding, it would still be a poor live sport. It relies too heavily on angles and learning to watch the ref signal for fifth tackle all the time. You always feel like you're missing out on something when you're not watching it on TV.
I strongly disagree. I've gone to many NRL games as a season ticket holder and just like your comments on AFL, you get to see more of the match. I would take a live game of league over a televised game any day.

No way should grounding be taken out of the game. Some of the most spectacular tries involve exactly that and would be much less interesting if they just half to walk or run it in.

What I do agree with is the video ref being used so often. It does put a stopper on the excitement and is terrible in its current implementation. I would like to see a 'challenge' system included instead, much like the NFL has. If the captain believes a call to be wrong, he informs the ref and it goes for review. A certain number of these are allowed per match/half and if the challenger is correct, they don't waste their challenge. It's fair and it limits the disruption of the game for spectators.
 

Rezbit

Member
Rudd will challenge Gillard to a duel to decide the fate of the Labor party. The ensuing battle will exhaust both of them, making all believe Labor has fallen. But at the last moment, when all seems lost, Bob Hawke will descend from the Heavens with beer in hand, and tell everyone to "Stop being cunts and have a beer."

The people will come together in the streets to celebrate, and we'll all drink beer and watch sport for the rest of our lives.
 
I saw him live last year. I can't remember who the support act was (or who he was supporting) but I remember both being fucking awesome. Was it Gary Numan maybe? Either way, finishing with Heart of the Party was AMAZING.

fuuu~~~ jealous. i've seen posters for him playing around here (melbourne) a couple of times over the years but it's always been at such inopportune times for me.

i saw Numan a couple of years ago though, it was pretty rad.
 

Dead Man

Member
I strongly disagree. I've gone to many NRL games as a season ticket holder and just like your comments on AFL, you get to see more of the match. I would take a live game of league over a televised game any day.

No way should grounding be taken out of the game. Some of the most spectacular tries involve exactly that and would be much less interesting if they just half to walk or run it in.

What I do agree with is the video ref being used so often. It does put a stopper on the excitement and is terrible in its current implementation. I would like to see a 'challenge' system included instead, much like the NFL has. If the captain believes a call to be wrong, he informs the ref and it goes for review. A certain number of these are allowed per match/half and if the challenger is correct, they don't waste their challenge. It's fair and it limits the disruption of the game for spectators.

If the requirement was for feet to enter the box, sure, but if you have a system like the one in gridiron where the ball just has to cross the vertical plane, you still get amazing touchdowns/tries.

Rudd will challenge Gillard to a duel to decide the fate of the Labor party. The ensuing battle will exhaust both of them, making all believe Labor has fallen. But at the last moment, when all seems lost, Bob Hawke will descend from the Heavens with beer in hand, and tell everyone to "Stop being cunts and have a beer."

The people will come together in the streets to celebrate, and we'll all drink beer and watch sport for the rest of our lives.

That is a future I could believe in.

Edit: Rudd being a gentleman, or removing distractions before he goes into battle?

Rudd quits as foreign minister

Edit2 LOL so slow Dead Man, why are you so slow?
 

ItAintEasyBeinCheesy

it's 4th of July in my asshole
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Just has to sit back and ride the shit to the election.
 

Fredescu

Member
I strongly disagree. I've gone to many NRL games as a season ticket holder and just like your comments on AFL, you get to see more of the match. I would take a live game of league over a televised game any day.
I knew you would, I was hoping you'd post :p

You might get to see some of the outlying action, but you miss simple stuff, like if you're at ground level at one end of the ground, it's very difficult to even tell how far away the players are from the try line at the other end. You miss the angle of passes. You miss fiddly stuff like play the balls, scrum feeds. It might be hard to you to relate about the tackle count thing being that you go often, but I find that if I haven't gone in a while, I miss the ref signalling 5th tackle and it throws me in a loop. I love to know if they're kicking on the 4th tackle or if they're running on the 5th. This is way easier to tell on TV.

Sure, the fun interesting exciting stuff happens at a macro level. The hits, the runs, the cut out balls, the run arounds, the chip and chases. Overall I find that too much league stuff happens at a micro level that you miss live unless you've got an excellent viewpoint, like knock ons and forward passes, and backline plays at the other end of the field.

No way should grounding be taken out of the game. Some of the most spectacular tries involve exactly that and would be much less interesting if they just half to walk or run it in.
Like Dead Man said, you can get spectacular line crosses without grounding, with the added bonus of the drama of knowing a try has been scored instantly.
 

Cohsae

Member
NRL without grounding is dumb and you're dumb. This is my intelligent contribution.
But seriously it a)dramatically changes a key feature of the game for absolutely no reason and b) removes the possibility for a defending player to tackle an attacker and cause them to be held-up in goal or possible even strip the ball off them. It favours the attacking team too strongly in a game like NRL where you can have multiple consecutive play-the-balls from about 50cm in front of the try-line.
 

Fredescu

Member
a)dramatically changes a key feature of the game for absolutely no reason
I gave reasons.

b) removes the possibility for a defending player to tackle an attacker and cause them to be held-up in goal or possible even strip the ball off them.
It doesn't prevent goal line defence. What it does do is put a stop to the milimeter sized judgements about whether someone was held up or not. Watching that is not fun or interesting at all.
 

legend166

Member
KRUDD on the way to the top job again! Will be hilarious to see how things go on Mon/Tues. Wonder how many tries it will take.

DON'T READ MY SPOILERS HOLYCHECK. TOTALLY SPOILING KIND OF STUFF IN THERE FOR A GAME YOU DON'T WANT SPOILED.


LOL at Day One DLC for Mass Effect 3. Last time they did it for new owners of the game and one companion and a big chunk of content was locked out for pre-owned buyers but now they have done the same thing for people who don't buy the fuck-off-expensive edition. So people who buy the regular game day one don't get a companion. 800 points to play all the content on day one. Nice work arseholes! Next will be Mass Effect 4 with a companion locked out unless you buy Medal of Honor 2.

Fuck you EA.

Weird. I'm digging it, but the mandatory touch screen stuff (yeah, I know, launch game - gotta have it all) blows.
I thought you could turn most of it off? That's annoying. Kind of like
walking across logs in Uncharted.
 

midonnay

Member
wowowowow

Doug Cameron trollfacing on abc 24

faceless man this faceless man that


when asked what Gillard should do he said that Gillard should show her support to Rudd and get him back to the foreign ministership

ahahaha
 
when a leadership contender resigns from a ministry (without leaving parliament), it's usually not a good sign for the current leader. Resigning with no hint of scandal or gross incompetence is a very powerful weapon in politics.

In 1971, John Gorton was PM and Malcom Fraser was defence minister. Fraser resigned and Gorton was toppled by McMahon (yes, the father of the guy from Nip/Tuck)

In 1981, Fraser was PM and Andrew Peacock was Minister for Industrial Relations. Peacock resigned, had a tilt at a spill and went back to the beck benches. He became opposition leader when Fraser lost the election in 1983.

In mid-1991, Keating tried to topple Hawke and again at the end of the year.

In 2012 Kevin Rudd resigns.

Moral of the story- The Mayans and numerology freaks have said he's left it a year too late but history says he's not going anywhere. If he truly had the interests of the party who knifed him in the back, he'd leave parliament.

But having watched how Rudd folded with a whimper when Gillard challenged him, I don't really know if he has the balls to challenge. My guess he's waiting to be drafted back into the position despite the fact that although the public prefers Rudd to Gillard, the people inside the ALP would rather lose office than have him as leader.
 

The Giant

Banned
Is there anyone here who is a fan of Italian Spiderman?

Cause the same guys who made it, have a new 6 part series called Danger 5 on SBS One which airs Monday Feb 27 at 9.30pm

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/02/airdate-danger-5.html

http://www.tvtonight.com.au/2012/02/danger-5.html

Danger 5 is made up of the finest group of special operatives the Allies have to offer: Jackson from the USA, Tucker from Australia, Ilsa from Russia, Claire from Britain and Pierre from Europe.

In each episode, Danger 5 unravels another of Hitler’s diabolical schemes as it travels across a myriad of exotic locations. The action and offbeat humour are relentless as Danger 5 mounts a series of thrilling missions which include discovering Josef Mengele’s perverted Antarctic death circus, busting down Erwin Rommel’s golden murder casino and posing as exotic dancers in an attempt to take out Hitler at his own birthday party.

In the first episode, Danger 5 travels to France on a mission to discover why Hitler has been abducting the world’s national monuments with his squad of Nazi zeppelins. There, the team find help from an all-girl posse of Resistance vixens, but their plans are swiftly hampered by a Nazi task force raid. Ilsa and Claire are taken to a torture dungeon where Josef Goebbels recruits them as part of his dance troupe for Hitler’s birthday spectacular.
 

Fredescu

Member
Welp

David Speers @David_Speers

Tony Windsor tells labor don't count on my support if Rudd returns. May choose to let voters decide
 

Choc

Banned
Just watched the Rudd press conference


he just tore the ALP apart. As news 24 said, he basically admitted the ALP is being run by faceless men not Julia right now. 'Australia must be governed by people not factions'

Wow lol

haha and he just said 'there is no way i will be part of a stealth attack on a sitting prime minister. We know thats wrong and it must never happen again'

He's going to quit, i can feel it.

End of Government.
 

Danoss

Member
I knew you would, I was hoping you'd post :p

You might get to see some of the outlying action, but you miss simple stuff, like if you're at ground level at one end of the ground, it's very difficult to even tell how far away the players are from the try line at the other end. You miss the angle of passes. You miss fiddly stuff like play the balls, scrum feeds.

I can understand missing some things, especially at ground level, but it really isn't that bad. Scrums and play-the-balls are quite easy to observe no matter where you are at the ground. I was about 10-12 rows back on the 20 metre line all of last year and had no problem seeing what's going on. Sure I wished I had a better view, but it wasn't too bad.

Fredescu said:
It might be hard to you to relate about the tackle count thing being that you go often, but I find that if I haven't gone in a while, I miss the ref signalling 5th tackle and it throws me in a loop. I love to know if they're kicking on the 4th tackle or if they're running on the 5th. This is way easier to tell on TV.

I usually keep a running tally of the tackle count in my head as the set progresses, though sometimes what's happening is too exciting and I get sucked into the action, forgetting to do so. What I do that's very easy, is glance at the ref after a tackle. The defenders are usually slowing the play-the-ball down giving their defensive line time to get back 10 metres, this gives plenty of time to see if the ref has his hand in the air signalling last tackle.

As a Bulldogs fan (if memory serves), you've got it easy as their home ground is ANZ Stadium where they show the tackle count on the big screen. That should make your life a whole lot easier attending games there.

Fredescu said:
Sure, the fun interesting exciting stuff happens at a macro level. The hits, the runs, the cut out balls, the run arounds, the chip and chases. Overall I find that too much league stuff happens at a micro level that you miss live unless you've got an excellent viewpoint, like knock ons and forward passes, and backline plays at the other end of the field.

I find most of this stuff easy to spot, so I don't know what to say here. Often times I was better able to see some lost balls in the ruck or illegal strips from behind the play at the other end of the field.

Fredescu said:
Like Dead Man said, you can get spectacular line crosses without grounding, with the added bonus of the drama of knowing a try has been scored instantly.

For me, it's nowhere near as awesome. The added skill and precision needed to ground the ball makes it so much more exciting.

As a Bulldogs fan, you should remember this as a prime example, and this.

David Mead scored this freak try that was all the more difficult as he had to ground it, rather than just run it in. Sandor Earl's amazing effort in the finals of 2010 vs the Raiders wouldn't be possible without grounding.

On the defensive side, what about this incredible trysaver? Also from 2010.

I just can't see how no-grounding can improve on the fantastic spectacle of a try being scored in Rugby League. I'd liken it to allowing AFL players being able to walk through the goals with the ball to score; it removes a certain skill element that makes it exciting and rewarding. I do sympathise with the views on the video ref intrusion, but I think there are far better solutions.
 

Shaneus

Member
Hey fuckers, why did no-one tell me Binary Domain was already out here? It seems to be a somewhat budget title @ $69 @ JB. Any impressions?
 
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